Why is the religion that you practice superior to all other religions?

Did you know that Vaishnavas, of which 70% of Hindus are, are completely monotheistic?

Little known fact.

Mhm interesting, Islam states there have been over 100,000 prophets and messengers sent to all nations throughout the world, some successful some unsuccessful in guiding the people to worship one God, some Muslims postulated that many of the other large religions like Hinduism and Buddhism were once inspired religions which of course over time introduced new concepts.

Also there are some who claim Muhammad was prophesied in Hindu texts Info on that here

So we feel most paganism came later, Hinduism is one of the worlds oldest religions and surely had plenty of time to be changed and altered like the religions before and even after it.

Now I don't really study Hinduism so I myself wont make such bold statements but that's just something to chew on. Like I said if there's a God, there wouldn't be a time his message isn't being spread and spoken of throughout this earth.
 
I believe that the Abrahamic and Vaishnava religions were started by the same God and that they worship the same God, just in different times and places. It seems your belief is similar. I don't believe that either of our religions have been tainted, and we both worship the same God, just slightly differently.

He has revealed different aspects of His divine nature to our religions. He knew that not all of us would have a taste for worshiping Him in the same way, so he laid out various paths to reach Him. This is logical, because as we all know, He desires for all of us to be saved.

If God is merciful, then he would have to leave multiple paths, knowing that not everyone would chose the same path, due to preferring to have a different relationship with God.
 
Islam doesn't have a absolutest methodology, not everyone who dies on this earth a non-Muslim according to Islam is going to hell, the criteria is simply if they were given a chance to hear the truth and study it and then accept it, then they would be accepted as believers. So God is very merciful.

The only reason we disagree and say that Islam is the last revelation that everyone should follow is because of purity; even Muslims have issues with fringe sects who try to twist the original teachings of Islam and it's relatively new in comparison to Judaism, or Hinduism, so on that basis we say that surely other religions have introduced concepts foreign to the original religion which may detract from Gods original words, so I'm sure you would agree to follow the words of man over Gods would be an insult to God!

فويل للذين يكتبون الكتاب بايديهم ثم يقولون هذا من عند الله (Woe to those who write books by their own hands, then say that it is from God) Qur'an 2:79

But, regardless knowing your religion isn't based on something arbitrary and meaningless, and is connected to the creator of everything should inspire anyone whether they're from the Abrahamic line or another. The Abrahamic line surely is not the only one connected to God, that is for sure. :)
 
If you truly believe that all religions worship the same god then you really need to look deeply into the religions that you think this about. Like my first post in this thread says, all the religions claim to be truthful and they all contradict ach other. you can't say A and not A in the same sentence.
 
If you truly believe that all religions worship the same god then you really need to look deeply into the religions that you think this about. Like my first post in this thread says, all the religions claim to be truthful and they all contradict ach other. you can't say A and not A in the same sentence.

Well the beauty of language is that you actually can say 'A and not A' in the same sentence.

It depends on what 'A' is.

If 'A' is assumed to be a well-defined element of some set S, then 'A and not A' defines the empty set.

But if A is not well-defined, like A is an infinite set, then 'A and not A' defines a non-empty set.

This is because there is more than one infinite set, and they are not equipotent, that is they do not share a one-to-one correspondence of elements.

And example is the infinite set of rational numbers p/q, where p,q are integers.

Since there are an infinite set of integers, then there is an infinite set of rational numbers, but it can be proven mathematically that the set of rational numbers is equipotent to the set of integers, that is they are both 'equally infinite'.

However, the set of real numbers is not capable of being placed into a one-to-one relation with the set of integers, mathematically it can be proven that there are infinitely many more real numbers than rational numbers, but this is now 'unequally infinite'.

Finally, the set of real numbers is of the same infinite class (or cardinality) as the number of points on the Cartesian plane, or by extension to the number of points in a three-dimensional space. However, it can be mathematically proven (and this one is beyond me) that the number of possible plane curves or space curves (that is all possible continuous curves that can be drawn on a two-dimensional plane or in three-dimensional space) is infinitely larger than the number of real numbers corresponding to the plane or volume.

So mathematically there are at least three classes of infinity, and these can be abstracted to an infinite number of infinities, but I am not aware of there being any correspondence between infinite classes greater than those used to describe all possible continuous curves on the plane and any other mathematical or physical concept.

Of course all of the above depends upon your ability to accept the axiom of choice, which can be summed up as for any collection of non-empty sets it is possible to chose exactly one object from each set. It's a no-brainer for finite sets but less so for infinite sets.

And if you are still confused (as I often am) ask yourself what is meant by declaring 'this statement is false'.

If 'this statement is false' is understood as 'true' then it contradicts the meaning of the word false.

If 'this statement is false' is understood to be 'false' then the statement must be true, which again contradicts the meaning of the word false.

While it is obvious that our language can construct such statements it is just as obvious that such statements cannot be the basis of logical arguments.

Some folks also cannot accept the concept of the empty set, or zero, or nothing, since by even being able to name or think about it it renders the concept invalid.

I suppose you could say that about the concept of infinity, since any definition of it automatically constrains it to something less than infinity.
 
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If you truly believe that all religions worship the same god then you really need to look deeply into the religions that you think this about. Like my first post in this thread says, all the religions claim to be truthful and they all contradict ach other. you can't say A and not A in the same sentence.

I disagree with that notion.

I believe that God has revealed Himself to different peoples, at different times, according to how much of Himself, and which aspects of Himself they were ready and able to accept and understand. So we might understand Him slightly differently, but the differences do not make all but one of religion wrong.

Also, nice post WilliamC.
 
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I don't believe in religion. Its physically impossible for the universe to be created by a God. Any religion that believes the universe was created by God, is incorrect.
 
I don't believe in religion. Its physically impossible for the universe to be created by a God. Any religion that believes the universe was created by God, is incorrect.

Guess what. Your religion is that God didn't create the universe.
 
I don't believe in religion. Its physically impossible for the universe to be created by a God. Any religion that believes the universe was created by God, is incorrect.

Atheism is the notion that the universe has always been here always will be here and has no creator; yet mocks the idea of a God that's always been here, always will, and has no creator.

I'll honestly never understand that, I get it that maybe you don't see a religion you like but I don't really understand the great impossibility of a God when you have to believe there's infinitely been something there with no creator, that just is there for no reason, that something exploded for no reason, it's just mind boggling. Try getting your head around that. (AFAIK there's nothing scientific explaining the existence of something infinitely for no reason yet)
 
Guess what. Your religion is that God didn't create the universe.

I guess you could say that. But I actually chose my position based on thought and common sense. I don't believe it for the sake of believing it, which is what most religious people do. I'm willing to bet that the majority of religious people did not do a thorough research on most religions and then picked the accurate religion.
 
I guess you could say that. But I actually chose my position based on thought and common sense. I don't believe it for the sake of believing it, which is what most religious people do. I'm willing to bet that the majority of religious people did not do a thorough research on most religions and then picked the accurate religion.

Thought, common sense and reason cannot rule out the existence of God.
 
Atheism is the notion that the universe has always been here always will be here and has no creator; yet mocks the idea of a God that's always been here, always will, and has no creator.

I'll honestly never understand that, I get it that maybe you don't see a religion you like but I don't really understand the great impossibility of a God when you have to believe there's infinitely been something there with no creator, that just is there for no reason, that something exploded for no reason, it's just mind boggling. Try getting your head around that. (AFAIK there's nothing scientific explaining the existence of something infinitely for no reason yet)

Zero=Infinity. The universe never had a beginning and never will have an end. If there is no beginning, there is no creator. There could be in existence Gods, but no God created the universe.
 
Zero=Infinity. The universe never had a beginning and never will have an end. If there is no beginning, there is no creator. There could be in existence Gods, but no God created the universe.

Doesn't explain how something tangible was here for an infinity which random things happened to and it spontaneously combusted creating the universe we have today. I understand the principle of infinity, but it doesn't explain the cause.

I just find it fascinating that if you replace the word God with Universe in most atheists explanation you have essentially what religious people say, yet one in the head of an atheist is absolutely absurd while the other is patently genius. Then they call themselves "rationalists". In any case as I've said before, God is above scientific concepts, God is impossible in Science.

If I create a compiler for a computer programming language that will interpret my jumble of code into an executable program; am I, as the creator of this compiler, then bound to it's rules and logic? Of course not. Similarly, the creator of our science and logic is not bound to them. I believe the science created for us, is self sustaining obviously, but divine intervention did occur, and of course without the creator of our "compiler" i.e., science it wouldn't exist in the first place.

Is God possible in science?
Answer: No

But most religious people don't dispute that, something atheists argue, when we're not disagreeing.
 
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Is God possible in science?
Answer: No

But most religious people don't dispute that, something atheists argue, when we're not disagreeing.

Well, actually, science can neither prove nor disprove the existence of a creator. Science can do many things; however, it is limited upon the capability of the "machines" using it.
 
Doesn't explain how something tangible was here for an infinity which random things happened to and it spontaneously combusted creating the universe we have today. I understand the principle of infinity, but it doesn't explain the cause.

I just find it fascinating that if you replace the word God with Universe in most atheists explanation you have essentially what religious people say, yet one in the head of an atheist is absolutely absurd while the other is patently genius. Then they call themselves "rationalists". In any case as I've said before, God is above scientific concepts, God is impossible in Science.

If I create a compiler for a computer programming language that will interpret my jumble of code into an executable program; am I, as the creator of this compiler, then bound to it's rules and logic? Of course not. Similarly, the creator of our science and logic is not bound to them. I believe the science created for us, is self sustaining obviously, but divine intervention did occur, and of course without the creator of our "compiler" i.e., science it wouldn't exist in the first place.

Is God possible in science?
Answer: No

But most religious people don't dispute that, something atheists argue, when we're not disagreeing.

It doesn't explain how the universe was created because the universe never was created. It explains how the universe always existed.

Lets say we start out with absolutely nothing as most religious people believe. How do you go from absolutely nothing to what we have today?
 
Well, actually, science can neither prove nor disprove the existence of a creator. Science can do many things; however, it is limited upon the capability of the "machines" using it.

excellent point. In addition, logic, as it is man-made, is an inefficient tool to understand that which is outside our cognitive ability.
 
It doesn't explain how the universe was created because the universe never was created. It explains how the universe always existed.

Lets say we start out with absolutely nothing as most religious people believe. How do you go from absolutely nothing to what we have today?

Your premise is false people of faith believe in an ever lasting deity, not that there was ever nothing. There was always something. The concept of infinity works just the same with us which begs the question why is one more logical than the other, especially by people who call themselves rationalists.

Your idea is the universe was always here, why? You don't have to explain it because infinity takes care of it I guess.

Frankly I don't see the difference between what you or I believe then.

Well, actually, science can neither prove nor disprove the existence of a creator. Science can do many things; however, it is limited upon the capability of the "machines" using it.

Proving a negative is quite hard to do! However my point is, if you believe in God then you believe he is above all that is created, right? So if he was scientifically possible he would not be the god taught in most scriptures as that god claims to be above all of the creation. So frmo a theological standpoint I think a lot of us would reject the notion that "science" created "god" rather than the other way around.
 
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Your premise is false people of faith believe in an ever lasting deity, not that there was ever nothing. There was always something. The concept of infinity works just the same with us which begs the question why is one more logical than the other, especially by people who call themselves rationalists.

Your idea is the universe was always here, why? You don't have to explain it because infinity takes care of it I guess.

Frankly I don't see the difference between what you or I believe then.



Proving a negative is quite hard to do! However my point is, if you believe in God then you believe he is above all that is created, right? So if he was scientifically possible he would not be the god taught in most scriptures as that god claims to be above all of the creation. So frmo a theological standpoint I think a lot of us would reject the notion that "science" created "god" rather than the other way around.

Don't you see what religion is? Its just there as another way to control people.

If anyone outside a church said he was beyond all reason and you just had to take his word for it, you probably wouldn't believe him. But for some reason when in church, you accept that God is your creator and don't need any reasoning behind it, because God is beyond reason.

There is one group of people who follow similar methods to churches. They are called con men.



If you believe in infinity, then why do you believe in God. If infinity exists, a creator does not exist.
 
Don't you see what religion is? Its just there as another way to control people.

Of course it is, but that's because we are all sinners, and we're pretty damn lazy sinners to top it all. For most, religion simply means obey what has already been discussed, follow what's been decided and it's your shortcut to salvation. Man will always stray and pervert the Word of God. I'm a Catholic, and I know well how the Church has perverted Christ's message through its actions over the centuries. Does this mean I hate the Church or hate religion? Absolutely not. As I said, we are all sinners. We always look for the easy path to happiness and salvation. Despite that, we still worship. We still yearn for God's grace. That is how I know God must exist. Are all worshippers, we can't deny that. Either we worship the Creator or we worship the created. I don't really know where I'm going with all this, St. Patrick's day drinking has gotten to my head.


/unintelligible rant
 
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