Why is Ron Paul still only at 5%????

[Lord Xar]

LOSERS ALWAYS CRY " CONSPIRACY"
And that's what WE ARE, we are losers. We set out to win the GOP nomination.
We lost. Period.
We lost because Ron Paul is a TERRIBLE politician and I don't believe ever thought seriously that he could win, he was just curious about it.
Great politicians are great diplomats and to be a diplomat you have to play the middle ground. RP is far too truthful to be an effective politician.
This more than anything sunk us. Ron, never moves an inch from his positions and is truthfull to a fault. You can't do that if you want to be President. You just can't.

You are ignoring everything. You are given a platefull of obviousness, and you look the other way. Its okay.

Shaun. It is posters like you that are either completely ignorant of what truly went down with the whole campaign OR you are shill. There are no two ways about it.

I mean, seriously. There are reports of voter tampering, there are actual statistics that show how the MSM totally blacked out Ron. Now, you can be headstrong and think all is on the up and up, but if you are true Ron Paul supporter, I would question that.

Shaun, c'mon now... please, it is you who is sounding like they are crying, not us. We KNOW what the deal is, apparently you don't.

Now go pick up your tissue, wipe your nose and go out and spread the freedom message. And that doens't mean McCain or Obama. You know what I mean?

 

[Austin]

Wait a second.. I thought Ron Paul dropped out?

 

[szczebrzeszyn]

I mean, seriously. There are reports of voter tampering, there are actual statistics that show how the MSM totally blacked out Ron.

Dear Lord, seriously. I agree about media blackout etc., but what vote tampering reports are you talking about? Where is any hard evidence of actual VOTE FRAUD in current elections? All I see is speculation. Yes, I'm well aware of BB website and their investigation in NH. I know, that the whole ballot processing is a joke. I know about diebold (how 'hackable' their machines are), their past and current owners and the rules they operate under (at least in NH). Is vote fraud possible in those circumstances? Hell, yes! Did it happen? I have no idea and neither have any of you. But still, you have no problems stating that 'we lost because of Diebold'. I wish it was that simple, but personally I believe it happened the other way, with a very helpful hand of MSM. If you'd prefer to stick to the "vote rigging" scenario, please at least pass us some proof you've got there, so we could make an informed opinion about it.

Peace

 

[Thomas Paine]

With all of the other candidates that dropped out and the conservatives bitching about Juan McCain, why is it that Ron Paul has gain no ground percentage point wise in these states having caucuses and primaries? I would think he'd at least gain a little ground and a few percentage points, but nooooo! Still at the 5% range. WTF is going on out there?????

Because Jesse Benton doesn't know how to manage a pee wee baseball team much less a presidential campaign.

 

[nightlight]

There's no evidence other than a few counties that counted votes wrong. Remember NH recounts? Did our percentage point jump 20 points? No.

If you read the discussions at blackboxvoting, you will see that with a shady chain of custody and weird delays and behaviors from the election officials, any real counts could be turned into any other official "counts" that are fully recount resistant.

Once the establishment knocked the air out of the grassroots in those early contests through raised expectations game coupled with vote thievery, without capable campaign staff to hold it together or show any wish or competence for winning, our support may well have deflated. Neither the campaign HQ of Dean 2004 nor that of Paul 2008 knew how to tap the energy and potential of highly enthusiastic grassroots. Both staffs carried on robotically with their usual small district campaign stuff (mostly ask for money, then cluelessly squander it while nobody is minding the store)

Winning in politics or war or business requires not just wisdom and intelligence of the potential leader, which Dr. Paul has in abundance, but also ruthless pragmatism to sack old friends and aids if they show any signs of ineffectiveness or incompetence. Ron Paul simply lacks the latter trait.

The problem is that the presidency needs that kind of complete set of "winner" character traits as well. If someone can't create and run an effective campaign staff or have strong enough desire and strategy to win, such candidate surely can't run several orders of magnitude larger and more complex US government.

The long USA election season, including all the media unfairness, low blows from the establishment and opponents, vote fraud,... are needed and are there for a good reason -- to test and weed out the candidates who may lack all the attributes required to deal effectively with the analogous, but much much harder problems of running the executive branch of US government. I surely wouldn't feel safe with the arrogant fool Benton or the wet noodle Snyder or the treacherous snake Bergman as USA Sec. of Defense, State, FBI chief,...

 

[tommy7154]

No Main Stream Media coverage, it's as simple as that.

yup. plain and simple. The campaign could have been run perfectly and he'd still be polling like this. It's 99% media. They could bury Obama if they wanted, or any other candidate. A vast majority of people are extremely suggestible and easily influenced. The media knows this...

 

[azminuteman]

It looks like people are saying "screw it" and voting for McCain. McCain 1st in Washington and Wisconsin so far. It sickens me to watch his little victory speeches. I'd just like to see 1 Ron Paul victory speech.

The 'other' candidate had had 20%+ in some states while Paul still has 5-6%

 

[nightlight]

yup. plain and simple. The campaign could have been run perfectly and he'd still be polling like this. It's 99% media.

That is true only for the old style conventional campaign strategy. Internet is the new media much more powerful than the dinosaur media. The grassroots whipped into existence via internet was a tremendous resource of a new kind which the clueless campaign staff completely squandered. What did they do with the seemingly unstoppable grassroots fire of November and December 2007, that seriously spooked all the media and establishment. Nothing. Just asked for more money to produce the lamest of the ads among all candidates and print fancy postcards and mail them to contributors to remind them to go vote. Duh. They had a unique gigantic diamond in their hands and they simply flushed it down the river.

There will be candidates in the future who will know how to tap this enormous new potential and wipe the floor with the dinosaur media and their silly old gimmicks. It just didn't happen this time. But lots of us have learned some hard earned lessons and there will be capable people among us who will rise to the occasion the next time around. This was the last gasp of the old media and they know it.

 

[DFF]

Easy! Vote Fraud!

Ron Paul has suffered more from vote fraud than any other candidate going away.

Can I prove this? No. But common sense combined with all the Orwellian bullshit I've witnessed over the past year makes it a veritable certainty.

 

[ziggrl]

I think the failure lies at the feet of the campaign people who work with Ron Paul and Ron Paul himself. He should have been capitalizing on simple stuff like being an OBGYN doctor, pro-life, faith, and bringing the troops home. Everyone but mcCain wants to bring the troops home, but RP's message about it tied it with our monetary policy. The emphasis has always been centered around monetary policy. This is WAY to complicated for your average asshole.

The bottom line is his message is perfect, it was just not delivered in a way that the average person could understand it without misinterpreting it.

Since RP was reluctant to run to begin with, I think maybe the idea to lose the campaign was a strategy all along. There were too many mistakes made regarding the delivery of his ideas, timing of information to his supporters, and even engagements with the media. I believe his campaign was designed to be the cattle prod for a revolution. And ONLY a revolution, not a presidential seat.

Just my thoughts now that I've had a chance to look back (in anger).

 

[ronpaul.republican]

...other factors are involved. Some of these include the spin the media put on his candidacy (the blackouts, the can't win mentality, third party questions, really a Libertarian)...

It's so funny, actually. If you read through the old Fred Thompson forum posts, you see exactly the same kind of conspiracy theory crap. It was all a giant anti-Fred conspiracy that kept him from winning votes.

There's something in humans that makes them rally around a would-be fuhrersavior and put all their hope in him/her. Weird species.

 

[Rhys]

QFT.

Your pretty much summed up the ROOT CAUSES.

All I can add is that I dunno, maybe just *maybe* if the candidate would actually campaign in a state (Huckabee was averaging 5 events per day in Wisconsin, McCain & Obama similar... Ron Paul? Never even set foot in Wisconsin during the entire campaign!) then he might bet slightly better results.

Or possibly if the campaign would actually spend the cash on some advertising -- ZERO Ron Paul campaign-sponsored Ads in Wisconsin. (And then if they DID run ads, they should get some good ones made -- you know the kind that actually "sells" people on a candidate and make them WANT TO VOTE FOR THE GUY -- instead of the kind that making them snort with laughter or the other kind that make them feel all depressed & suicidal).

Those would be good places to start... then you just might start getting into like Huckabee numbers, or heck, maybe even McCain, because once you start winning, the rest of the sheeple just start piling onto the bandwagon.


OH, and the campaign should hire a professional F'ing PR firm already. (And quit with the F'ing whining about the "media blackout" -- you sound like a bunch of little girlie-men.)
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QFT this QFT

 

[Rhys]

Because by the time we "educate" each new influx of establishment shills right out the door, a fresh crop of replacements crashes the gate. Note the Feb. date of the OP.

Lather, rinse, repeat...

how bout stop being a dick to everyone who didn't drink your kool aide?

The added problem of the RPF is ultra-angry tin-foil mofo's always attacking people who believe in a slightly less uniform brand of corruption.

 

[RollOn2day]

I can't speak about anybody else but for myself.

Media Blackout did not deter me.

Voting fraud did not deter me.

Fraudulant smear campaigns by the MSM did not deter me.

The email sent out after Super Tuesday stopped me in my tracks.
The next email, stating that the previous email was misunderstood stopped me in my tracks.
The video sent out to state that we misunderstood the email....stopped me in my tracks.

Then I regrouped, thought about it for a couple of weeks and put my boots back on....

Then last nights incredibly ill concieved and poorly executed video with the campaign managment, ( notice how I'm not naming names? Thanks RP for etiquette lessons!)

....has stopped me in my tracks all over again. ( and now they are putting it on youtube??? WTF is wrong with these people?)

The powers that be ARE trying to take this message down.
The problem is our campaign staff has made that an incredibly easy job.

How ya gonna float yer boat when your cannons are often pointed straight down into your own hull?

 

[JS4Pat]

Stop screaming voter fraud. If the majority of America decided that Ron Paul should be the nominee, there's no way that Diebold could even edit that large number of votes down to 5%. It pisses me off how voter fraud, something so serious of a claim, be thrown around like fact. It isn't fact. There's no evidence other than a few counties that counted votes wrong. Remember NH recounts? Did our percentage point jump 20 points? No.

+1

 

[homah]

I'm wondering how many dead people are voting tonight. Some guy called into Ron Paul Revolution Radio the other night and mentioned that after looking through voter records, his dead parents evidently voted for McCain.

How does one obtain voter records? I'm curious to see who I voted for, since it wasn't Ron Paul.

 

[JS4Pat]

guys are we forgetting that the straw polls mean shit? its the DELEGATES we're after. let mccinsane have his little speeches. our time is coming

Would love to share in your optimism, but I see things like this and well...

The lack of any Ron Paul Meetup Members in McInsane's list below along with the fact that Delegates are determined by the votes of Committe men and Committee women - Neocon Party Hacks who put Party before Country - well...

http://blogs.tampabay.com/buzz/2008/...-announce.html

February 06, 2008

McCain announces Florida delgate slate

John McCain said today that he has filed a full slate of delegates, including state Rep. Ellyn Bogdanoff, lobbyist Brian Ballard and Gov. Charlie Crist, and alternate delegates with the Republican Party of Florida.

"Floridians took advantage of our state's historically early primary and voted in record numbers for Senator McCain last week," Gov. Charlie Crist said in a joint statement with McCain. "Florida Republicans spoke loud and clear and we are excited to be sending our delegates to Minneapolis."

Full list in jump.
Adeniyi Aderibigbe, Chair, Lafayette County GOP
Brian Ballard, National Finance Co-Chair
Mike Bennett, State Senator
Ellyn Bogdanoff, State Representative
Peter Brown, Rear Admiral, US Navy (Ret.)
Bill Bunting,Chair, Pasco County GOP
Bertica Cabrerra-Morris, Orange County Commissioner
Charles Cobb, Former Ambassador to Iceland
Sue Cobb, Former Ambassador to Jamaica
Agustin Corbella
Charlie Crist, Governor
George "Bud" Day, Col. USAF (Ret.), Congressional Medal of Honor recipient and Vietnam POW
Allison Defoor, immediate past Vice-Chair, Republican Party of Florida Lincoln Diaz-Balart, U.S. Representative
Mario Diaz-Balart, U.S. Representative
Mike Fasano, State Senator
Mildred Fernandez, Orange County Commissioner
Marty Fiorentino, Florida Finance Co-Chair
David Gee, Sheriff, Hillsborough County
Andrew Giordano, Rear Admiral, US Navy (Ret.)
Phil Handy, Chair, McCain Education Policy Committee
Adam Hasner, State Senate Majority Leader
Manny Kadre, Florida Finance Co-Chair
Ric Keller, U.S. Representative
John Legg, State Representative
M arcelo Llorente, State Representative
Marcos Marchena, Chair, Florida Transportation Commission
Ana Navarro, Co-Chair, National Hispanic Advisory Board
Joseph Negron, State Representative
Darrell New, Chair, Clay County GOP
Lewis Oliver, Chair, Orange County GOP
Earl Peck, Major General, USAF (Ret.)
John Quinones, Osceola County Commissioner
Eric Robinson, Chair, Sarasota County GOP
Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, U.S. Congresswoman
Patricia Sasso, Chair, Marion County GOP
Jim Sebasta, Former State Senator
Natacha Seijas, Miami-Dade County Commissioner
Kathleen Shanahan, Senior Florida Strategy Advisor
Mark Sharpe, Hillsborough County Commissioner
David Simmons, State Representative
Richard Stratton, Capt. USN (Ret.), Vietnam POW
Robert E. Stumpf, Capt. USN (Ret.)
Richard Tangeman, Capt. USN (Ret.), Vietnam POW
William Ward, Major General, US Army (Ret.)

 

[familydog]

Voter fraud? Meh.
Voter ignorance? Yes.

 

[paulitics]

Vote fraud does not explain 5% consistant in every state. Sure their was probably some mischeif in NH, but even if the exit polls were not terribly off. We lost, because of the American people, and ther incessantly lazy minds fail to comprehend anything beyond a 5th grade level.

 

[JS4Pat]

We lost, because of the American people, and ther incessantly lazy minds fail to comprehend anything beyond a 5th grade level.

True, but they were aided by the MSM, the GOP & the establishment.