Why is Ron Paul still only at 5%????

[RoamZero]

Im sure vote fraud might be a factor, but not a deciding one in my opinion. Unless virtually all the polling companies are in cahoots with the people that tally the elections, other factors are involved. Some of these include the spin the media put on his candidacy (the blackouts, the can't win mentality, third party questions, really a Libertarian). The other part rests with the campaign itself not properly combating the media spin and leveraging the grassroots enough.

 

[-lotus-]

guys are we forgetting that the straw polls mean shit? its the DELEGATES we're after. let mccinsane have his little speeches. our time is coming

 

[erin moore]

around here its still "who is Ron Paul?" and I only even get the question because of one of the decal which says just that.

we're trying here.

 

[Cyclone]

Stop screaming voter fraud. If the majority of America decided that Ron Paul should be the nominee, there's no way that Diebold could even edit that large number of votes down to 5%. It pisses me off how voter fraud, something so serious of a claim, be thrown around like fact. It isn't fact. There's no evidence other than a few counties that counted votes wrong. Remember NH recounts? Did our percentage point jump 20 points? No.

The majority of the country thinks he quit with that email long ago. All he says with each email is that he has little or no chance, what do you think is going to happen to his voting percentage? Hollering voter fraud every time you don't like the outcome is counter-productive. It keeps you from seeing the real problems and fixing them.

But then, you are not allowed on the forums to discuss problems with the campaign - so in a very real way, the RPF has done more damage to Ron Paul than they will ever know with their insistence on discussing only happy thoughts and throwing anyone out that wants to talk about real problems, and you can't get to the solutions without discussing the problems.

But the blame lies with the campaign that never wanted to fix any problems and instead played the CYA game like champs.

If they keep it up, they may lose him his Congressional seat as well. Notice how they blamed everyone on the planet including, us, his supporters, for him not having more money to fight for his seat. That is what professional fund raisers are for, and they seemed to have become dependent on the grassroots to do everything and if the grassroots doesn't do a good enough job, we are at fault.

Whining at your supporters is not the way to win an election. Yesterday's email was appalling. The campaign should be told, fixed, a bunch of people fired and new folks come in to actually help Ron win his Congressional seat back.

Or they can bury their head in the sand, ignore the problem, move it to their proverbial hot topics, end the discussion and debate on the issue and hurt Ron Paul.

 

[Lord Xar]

With all of the other candidates that dropped out and the conservatives bitching about Juan McCain, why is it that Ron Paul has gain no ground percentage point wise in these states having caucuses and primaries? I would think he'd at least gain a little ground and a few percentage points, but nooooo! Still at the 5% range. WTF is going on out there?????

Go turn on the tv, and read your daily newspaper. Do this for a week. Ask ALL your friends and relatives to do the same thing. Tell them to look for every positive mention of Ron Paul.

then you will understand WHY he is polling low.

If anyone one of them comes back with just one mention, I will be surprised.

Candidates are elected by the Main Stream Media.

Why this question still comes up is beyond me. Its right before you eyes, or more apt, NOT before your eyes. THAT IS THE REASON!

 

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

You people are fucking crazy. Its all about the MEDIA. The media never portrayed him as a serious candidate, never acted like he had a chance, never acted like he could get any votes, never talked about him.

There is no conspiracy to single out Paul for derailment. This is the same media that sank Giuliani's campaign, Thompson's campaign, and created the Mike Huckabee campaign. They are not "afraid" of him, or "scared" of him. They simply didnt notice him. He wasnt part of the establishment and didnt fit the mold. According to popular opinion, Liberals are pro-entitlement, pro-civil liberties, and anti-war; Conservatives are pro-war, pro-government managed "capitalism", and anti-gay. If you dont fit one in with one of those, the guys in the CNN directing room have no idea what to do with you. Anti-war Republican just doesnt make sense to these guys. Republicans are the war party, Democrats are the anti-war party.

There is no conspiracy.

 

[Lord Xar]

In relation to voter fraud.

Well, take a good look into NH.

That would have been a HUGE springboard for the freedom message. The powers that be pulled some strings and you got the results you seen.

IF YOU DO NOT THINK there was significant shenanigans in NH, then you are living in an alternate reality.

Unattended, open boxes - two sketchy guys transporting the paper ballots. The diebold cards unaccounted for and "not to be seen.".

NH was a major Ron Paul screw job. They knew that if he pulled first or second there, the momentum would have been HUGE! They did what they do, and pulled shenanigans. I mean, JUST LOOK AT LA, for goodness sakes!

 

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

IF YOU DO NOT THINK there was significant shenanigans in NH, then you are living in an alternate reality.

I think you are the one living in the dream world if you actually think Paul got anything significantly higher than the official results.

Paul took on the establishment, and he lost. Thats all there is to it.

 

[Thrashertm]

I say blame starts at the top. If a company is doing poorly and not making returns for the stock holders, the CEO starts making changes, because he knows he will be voted out if he doesn't. We havent' seen any CEO decisions from this campaign...other than hiring new people a little late, but keeping on the original staff that blundered the $17.5 million in the 4th quarter.

+100000

 

[devil21]

The campaign isn't doing anything to get out of the 5% tier. 2 more primaries passed today and the campaign completely ignored both of them. RP got beat 3 to 1 by ROMNEY today.

 

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

+100000

-1000000

 

[Edu]

NH was a major Ron Paul screw job. They knew that if he pulled first or second there, the momentum would have been HUGE! They did what they do, and pulled shenanigans. I mean, JUST LOOK AT LA, for goodness sakes!

I call shenanigans too!

 

[WRellim]

The majority of the country thinks he quit with that email long ago. All he says with each email is that he has little or no chance, what do you think is going to happen to his voting percentage? Hollering voter fraud every time you don't like the outcome is counter-productive. It keeps you from seeing the real problems and fixing them.

But then, you are not allowed on the forums to discuss problems with the campaign - so in a very real way, the RPF has done more damage to Ron Paul than they will ever know with their insistence on discussing only happy thoughts and throwing anyone out that wants to talk about real problems, and you can't get to the solutions without discussing the problems.

But the blame lies with the campaign that never wanted to fix any problems and instead played the CYA game like champs.

If they keep it up, they may lose him his Congressional seat as well. Notice how they blamed everyone on the planet including, us, his supporters, for him not having more money to fight for his seat. That is what professional fund raisers are for, and they seemed to have become dependent on the grassroots to do everything and if the grassroots doesn't do a good enough job, we are at fault.

Whining at your supporters is not the way to win an election. Yesterday's email was appalling. The campaign should be told, fixed, a bunch of people fired and new folks come in to actually help Ron win his Congressional seat back.

Or they can bury their head in the sand, ignore the problem, move it to their proverbial hot topics, end the discussion and debate on the issue and hurt Ron Paul.

QFT.

Your pretty much summed up the ROOT CAUSES.

All I can add is that I dunno, maybe just *maybe* if the candidate would actually campaign in a state (Huckabee was averaging 5 events per day in Wisconsin, McCain & Obama similar... Ron Paul? Never even set foot in Wisconsin during the entire campaign!) then he might bet slightly better results.

Or possibly if the campaign would actually spend the cash on some advertising -- ZERO Ron Paul campaign-sponsored Ads in Wisconsin. (And then if they DID run ads, they should get some good ones made -- you know the kind that actually "sells" people on a candidate and make them WANT TO VOTE FOR THE GUY -- instead of the kind that making them snort with laughter or the other kind that make them feel all depressed & suicidal).

Those would be good places to start... then you just might start getting into like Huckabee numbers, or heck, maybe even McCain, because once you start winning, the rest of the sheeple just start piling onto the bandwagon.


OH, and the campaign should hire a professional F'ing PR firm already. (And quit with the F'ing whining about the "media blackout" -- you sound like a bunch of little girlie-men.)
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[filmmaker58]

Oh, we got screwed in New Hampshire. On voting day RP was polling 12 to 14%. there is no way he would get less than what he was polling, because his supporters never get polled. 8%. I seriously doubt it. i also seriously doubt McCain has the support that the media shows. everybody hates him.

 

[coffeewithchess]

Its all about the MEDIA. The media never portrayed him as a serious candidate, never acted like he had a chance, never acted like he could get any votes, never talked about him.

There is no conspiracy to single out Paul for derailment. This is the same media that sank Giuliani's campaign, Thompson's campaign, and created the Mike Huckabee campaign. They are not "afraid" of him, or "scared" of him. They simply didnt notice him. He wasnt part of the establishment and didnt fit the mold. According to popular opinion, Liberals are pro-entitlement, pro-civil liberties, and anti-war; Conservatives are pro-war, pro-government managed "capitalism", and anti-gay. If you dont fit one in with one of those, the guys in the CNN directing room have no idea what to do with you. Anti-war Republican just doesnt make sense to these guys. Republicans are the war party, Democrats are the anti-war party.

There is no conspiracy.

You can blame the media I agree, but you can also blame his campaign. Blaming the media doesn't explain why RP took two months to actually go on Glenn Beck after originally backing out, blaming the media doesn't explain why RP didn't go on Neal Boortz's radio program after scheduling an interview, blaming the media doesn't explain why RP didn't go on Fox News after the last Myrtle Beach, SC debate.

 

[Lord Xar]

I think you are the one living in the dream world if you actually think Paul got anything significantly higher than the official results.

Paul took on the establishment, and he lost. Thats all there is to it.

You can claim everyone else ignorant if you like, it still doesn't change a thing. I could care two shits what you think. All you would have to do is slight research, something I am assuming is beyond you.

Who and what do you think the establishment is, your words?

I find it rather interesting that you use the word "establishment" yet decry any shenanigans. Did McCain take on the establishment? No. So you do then validate that the establishment is in direct opposition to Ron Paul. And if that is the case, then one could assume "conspiracies" are not really conspiracies.

There is a plethora of information out there on voter fraud and diebold etc.. you just have to break the grip that controls you. Do it.

 

[mczerone]

... blaming the media doesn't explain why RP didn't go on Fox News after the last Myrtle Beach, SC debate.

Actually, (IMHO, and from what I can recall) He refused the last post-debate 'interview' on Fox News because they insisted on having him last, a full hour after the debate was over, which was what they did after the Dearborn, MI debate, which made him late for a speaking appearance.

Getting "Why are you so crazy?" questions thrown back at you after the debate, when you have a schedule to keep, isn't a high priority.

 

[Shaun]

We only got 5% REALLY. Wow, WHAT A SHOCKER?
Must be fraud, must be, absolutely, 1000% IT'S FRAUD I TELL YOU, THE BASTARDS HAVE IT IN FOR US. I mean it must be, because we had the best PR Firms, speech writers, images consultants, suits, sound bytes, best TV and Radio Ads, best advisors, strongest endorsements, most effective use of campaign funds EARLY on ( after all no campaign would be stupid enough to have 5Million left at this point...) also, we had a world class PROVEN, TRACK RECORD OF WINNING, HQ team of top flight executives, also we had an aggressive ass kicking campaign that IMMEDIATELY leapt on the other candidates weakeness's...so we had all this and yes, I can see it clearly, we got our usual 5% DUE TO FRAUD.
Get a life people.
This campaign was a complete jerk off with a bunch of "good ole boys" that Ron selected.
I love Ron, but ultimately the failure is on his shoulders, he was the CEO in charge, he was President of this campaign and he decided who his leaders were going to be. He chose wrong.
IT'S OVER.
Mercifully.

 

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

You can claim everyone else ignorant if you like, it still doesn't change a thing. I could care two shits what you think. All you would have to do is slight research, something I am assuming is beyond you.

Who and what do you think the establishment is, your words?

I find it rather interesting that you use the word "establishment" yet decry any shenanigans. Did McCain take on the establishment? No. So you do then validate that the establishment is in direct opposition to Ron Paul. And if that is the case, then one could assume "conspiracies" are not really conspiracies.

There is a plethora of information out there on voter fraud and diebold etc.. you just have to break the grip that controls you. Do it.

Ok, your right. Ron Paul really got 95% of the vote, they just rigged it so it looked like he only got 5%.

When I talk about the "establishment" in reference to the media, I am not talking about some type of conspiratorial group with some sinister objectives. I am talking about the established American popular opinion of politics.

Research beyond me? Come back when you graduate from highschool.

 

[michaelwise]

No Main Stream Media coverage, it's as simple as that.