Why I will support Nader/Gonzalez.

[mtmedlin]

Here's some more "oversimplifying" for ya...



Name that candidate......

Marx? It was Marx.... wasnt it.

Dont worry man fighting it, too many dumbasses on this board anymore. It used to be pretty smart but that was last year.
Anybody who think Nader is ANYTHING like Paul is either a moron or cant read. Find me 5 issues that they agree upon.....anybody.
Paul says he is a friend because Nader has a good heart and want to change the world for better.....that is the only commonality between the two. The path that they would take is totally different and if you cant tell the difference then you need some seriouse education!

 

[Melissa]

Marx? It was Marx.... wasnt it.

Dont worry man fighting it, too many dumbasses on this board anymore. It used to be pretty smart but that was last year.
Anybody who think Nader is ANYTHING like Paul is either a moron or cant read. Find me 5 issues that they agree upon.....anybody.
Paul says he is a friend because Nader has a good heart and want to change the world for better.....that is the only commonality between the two. The path that they would take is totally different and if you cant tell the difference then you need some seriouse education!

Um I am not sure who I am voting for but that being said you wanted 5 things they agree on well the plan was a 4 point plan that they all agreed to support so there is 4 they agree on right there not sure if there is a 5th but top 4 taken care of

 

[CurtisLow]

Baldwin FTW!


http://www.baldwin08.com/

 

[RonpaulSupporter7777]

Regardless of what you think of Nader's overall political philosophy, please reconsider the bipartisanship he has shown by humbly supporting Ron Paul's conference. He could have easily played partisan politics like Bob Barr did, but instead did the right thing because that is the way he follows.

This sort of alliance between the Left and Right is almost revolutionary when you think about it. This country has been so divided lately and never seemed like it could mend itself back together.

This could be the movement and the momentum we need to unify our movement for liberty. If Jesse Ventura runs in 2012 he will need not only the support of conservatives, but also the support of progressives and liberals as well.

Lets unify our efforts now by supporting candidates who are open to unifying their cause. This is the first step towards taking our country back from the hand of theives.

 

[SweetMona]

Baldwin FTW!


http://www.baldwin08.com/

I wish but not many people have heard of his name and he's not on our California election ballot.

That's why I'm going to vote for Nader. Almost all states have his name on ballot. Everyone knew him and he seems to have a higher chance to win the election.

Be realistic. We don't have much time to promote and ask people to root for Chuck Baldwin.

YEt, my heart belongs to Ron Paul and Chuck Baldwin!

 

[RonpaulSupporter7777]

Yeah. Chuck is a great guy too. He's the only one with the balls to use the phrase "NEW WORLD ORDER!".

I will probably ask Nader, when he makes a campaign stop out west, what he believes can be done to stop this one world government.

If the Baldwin/Castle campaign was polling at 6% like Nader was I would vote for them instead. It's too bad that they cannot get their names on all of the ballots in all 50 states.
We must defeat this crooked system before it becomes even crookeder.

 

[mtmedlin]

Um I am not sure who I am voting for but that being said you wanted 5 things they agree on well the plan was a 4 point plan that they all agreed to support so there is 4 they agree on right there not sure if there is a 5th but top 4 taken care of

The problem is Melissa that the 4 are fairly vague and the route to getting there can take many different paths. Nader is a socialist. He believes in government intervention. He believes in punishing business and making them pay for more welfare type programs. He is by all means the antithesis of Ron Paul. The only true issue that they agree on 100% is the war on terror. My understanding is both want an immediate withdrawl. Other then that, I cannot find 4 issues that they agree upon, not only in theory but execution.
I am taken back by people who think that Paul and Naders views are anywhere near to each other. If someone supports one, I cannot understand how someone can support the other.

 

[Melissa]

The problem is Melissa that the 4 are fairly vague and the route to getting there can take many different paths. Nader is a socialist. He believes in government intervention. He believes in punishing business and making them pay for more welfare type programs. He is by all means the antithesis of Ron Paul. The only true issue that they agree on 100% is the war on terror. My understanding is both want an immediate withdrawl. Other then that, I cannot find 4 issues that they agree upon, not only in theory but execution.
I am taken back by people who think that Paul and Naders views are anywhere near to each other. If someone supports one, I cannot understand how someone can support the other.

Ok that is fair but I do think they agree on the war on drugs too

 

[matratzac]

The problem is Melissa that the 4 are fairly vague and the route to getting there can take many different paths. Nader is a socialist. He believes in government intervention. He believes in punishing business and making them pay for more welfare type programs. He is by all means the antithesis of Ron Paul. The only true issue that they agree on 100% is the war on terror. My understanding is both want an immediate withdrawl. Other then that, I cannot find 4 issues that they agree upon, not only in theory but execution.
I am taken back by people who think that Paul and Naders views are anywhere near to each other. If someone supports one, I cannot understand how someone can support the other.

actually they agree on:

Foreign Policy
Privacy:
The National Debt
The Federal Reserve

ur only chance at getting an independent elected in the next 5 elections is if nader polls over 5% and the next independent to run takes public financing. sorry but its the truth.

 

[speciallyblend]

Baldwin has my vote,but if i find voting nader helps our movement then i will Nader showed to me 2 days ago and yesterday that he understands our Revolution!!!!! you do not agree with me then you call Ron Paul and argue

you can disagree with nader,but what happened at the CONFERENCE will be bigger in history in the future then we can all understand I promise you, call your friends and keep talking
did you guys not listen to what Ron paul said to us at the rally for the republic???? go back and listen ,i was there and i sure didn't need a cheer card

 

[speciallyblend]

actually they agree on:

Foreign Policy
Privacy:
The National Debt
The Federal Reserve

ur only chance at getting an independent elected in the next 5 elections is if nader polls over 5% and the next independent to run takes public financing. sorry but its the truth.

see above post i hear you


note, by the way barr you probably lost alot of votes by not showing to ron paul's conference , i happen to know a bunch of people that are looking at nader and your not even on their list as a candidate anymore,shame shame

 

[Kade]

I too have decided to vote for Nader, Baldwin/Barr be damned.

 

[obsolescence]

Nader's okay on foreign policy, but I don't want to endorse his aggressive, severely illiberal economic policies.

 

[ThePieSwindler]

I still like Barr, but Nader has really come on well, and id say i agree with him on around 50-60% of his issues. He takes the anti-corporate thing a bit too far, but he is spot on a slew of issues, and is registering in the high single digits in most states - much better than Barr. If Barr can close the gap, i'll probably end up voting for him, but if Nader stays far ahead, fuck it, i'm voting Nader to, i guess "send a message" or whatnot (not that they care... that much, but every step in the right direction helps).

 

[mtmedlin]

Ok that is fair but I do think they agree on the war on drugs too

He does agree, I missed that one.

As matratzac posted they agree on
Foreign Policy
Privacy:
The National Debt
The Federal Reserve

they agree in the sense that there is something wrong but they come to VASTLY different ways to fix it. Pauls ideas are correct, Naders are scary. I am small business owner and if Nader gets his way, it would nearly destroy me. His stance on minimum wage would vastly increase my costs and make me lay off workers. The national debt he believes should be paid off by taxing corporations and the rich. Its been proven time and time again that when you tax both of those groups, they will in turn move their money and jobs elsewhere. This only creates further issues. Nader is a nice guy BUT he is a socialist and just becasue he stood next to RON doesnt mean ron supports his views.

The point of the news conference was to be anti 2 party system. NOT to endorse Naders socialist viewpoints.

 

[Melissa]

He does agree, I missed that one.

As matratzac posted they agree on
Foreign Policy
Privacy:
The National Debt
The Federal Reserve

they agree in the sense that there is something wrong but they come to VASTLY different ways to fix it. Pauls ideas are correct, Naders are scary. I am small business owner and if Nader gets his way, it would nearly destroy me. His stance on minimum wage would vastly increase my costs and make me lay off workers. The national debt he believes should be paid off by taxing corporations and the rich. Its been proven time and time again that when you tax both of those groups, they will in turn move their money and jobs elsewhere. This only creates further issues. Nader is a nice guy BUT he is a socialist and just becasue he stood next to RON doesnt mean ron supports his views.

The point of the news conference was to be anti 2 party system. NOT to endorse Naders socialist viewpoints.

I agree but if we can get some of the voters that agree more with Nader then they would have with Paul we still get them closer to Liberty then anyone else on that side of the game

 

[mtmedlin]

ur only chance at getting an independent elected in the next 5 elections is if nader polls over 5% and the next independent to run takes public financing. sorry but its the truth.

Nader isnt a party, he is running on multiple parties. If he wins, nothing will happen because you will have a fractured group of independent parties that dont work together who will have earned ballot access in their states but as a whole will have no significant national presence. I mean really, who cares if he gets 5% and the California Peace and Freedom party now has ballot access. How is that helping our movement? What will happen is a new leader will come forward in 2012 but each party from each state would have to agree to endorse him. Now seeing how well Baldwin and Barr are doing in uniting the RP Revolution, I dont have much faith that Naders hodge podge collection of political parties will do anything useful in 2012 IF he actually gets them permanent ballot access.

 

[mtmedlin]

I agree but if we can get some of the voters that agree more with Nader then they would have with Paul we still get them closer to Liberty then anyone else on that side of the game

I would agree with you if it wasnt nader. His viepoints on economic issues are so far to the left that he is more dangerouse then McCain or Obama ever dreamed of being. Really read what he wants to do to corporations and the upper income levels. Redistribution of wealth is the death of innovation and business growth.

 

[mtmedlin]

From Naders website:

The Nader campaign advocates immediately increasing the minimum wage to $8 per hour, from its current $5.25 per hour. Two years after that increase, we advocate a $10 per hour living wage.

The privacy of employees need to be protected, e.g. the monitoring of employee email.

A pension plan should be included for employees and pensions for current employees and retirees should not be allowed to be reduced unilaterally.

Access to health care and unilateral reductions in medical benefits should not be allowed.

The pernicious dominant employment law of employment at will that allows for an employee to be fired for any reason, no reason or a bad reason needs to be replaced with an employee's bill of rights.

NOW supports public programs to provide early childhood development as well as quality child care to meet the needs of children of all ages and their parents of all economic backgrounds

[Homemakers' Rights: NOW actively supports full rights for homemakers and recognition of the economic value of the vital services they perform for family and society. We also support legislation and programs reflecting the reality of marriage as an equal economic partnership.
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Adopt a carbon pollution tax

Adopt a Wall Street securities speculation tax

Adopt single payer national health insurance

No to nuclear power, solar energy first



NONE of these issues does Ron Paul support. Not a single one. Nor do I. Naders answer is government regulation and force. This is the wrong approach.

 

[mtmedlin]

From Naders website:

The Nader campaign advocates immediately increasing the minimum wage to $8 per hour, from its current $5.25 per hour. Two years after that increase, we advocate a $10 per hour living wage.

The privacy of employees need to be protected, e.g. the monitoring of employee email.

A pension plan should be included for employees and pensions for current employees and retirees should not be allowed to be reduced unilaterally.

Access to health care and unilateral reductions in medical benefits should not be allowed.

The pernicious dominant employment law of employment at will that allows for an employee to be fired for any reason, no reason or a bad reason needs to be replaced with an employee's bill of rights.

NOW supports public programs to provide early childhood development as well as quality child care to meet the needs of children of all ages and their parents of all economic backgrounds

Homemakers' Rights: NOW actively supports full rights for homemakers and recognition of the economic value of the vital services they perform for family and society. We also support legislation and programs reflecting the reality of marriage as an equal economic partnership.
Adopt a carbon pollution tax

Adopt a Wall Street securities speculation tax

Adopt single payer national health insurance

No to nuclear power, solar energy first



NONE of these issues does Ron Paul support. Not a single one. Nor do I. Naders answer is government regulation and force. This is the wrong approach.