Why I Filmed My Abortion

[osan]

They had an older gentleman (Emile?) call into the Mike Church show this morning and he stated that he had forced his wife to have an abortion many years ago. In his later years, it still haunts him that he may have killed his own son.

Oh shit... that is truly awful.

 

[osan]

If she really wanted to honest about abortions, the correct way to depict it is by filming the entire process of destroying the fetus through an endoscope. From life to a mutilated sack of flesh in just a few minutes. People need to get real.

I'll have to call this the thread winner. Rep time, folks.

 

[Origanalist]

I'll have to call this the thread winner. Rep time, folks.

I'm in for that. I agree, the whole thing is disturbingly transformed into soft and fuzzy new age experience.

 

[milgram]

I always thought vegetarians had a point about slaughterhouse videos: meat eaters should be comfortable (or at least open to) watching them.

Same goes for abortion procedures though. But I can't name a documentary with the stones to display the act in full gutchurning detail. It's a major taboo.

 

[Nirvikalpa]

I've seen (two, I believe) abortion films. One was in two parts and explained the tools used and then the procedure (d&c, end of first trimester), and the other just the procedure.

Didn't bother me as much of some of the shit I saw in EMS.

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I mean, I don't get it really. It's either you want women to walk into a procedure scared out of their minds, with their BP and pulse up that could risk more problems during the procedure, or you want a more educated populace on abortion so that hopefully they would (i guess in a pro-lifers standpoint) choose to not have one, or walk into the clinic knowing exactly what is going to happen.

But shouldn't we always wish for a more educated populace? You can research and watch a medical video on nearly all medical procedures - as abortion is a medical procedure, I don't see what the big issue is.

She did have the liberty to film her own medical procedure, right?

 

[Nirvikalpa]

A real feminist would have avoided men altogether and found a perfectly good female partner. Because, y'know, all sexual intercourse is actually rape.

Nothing screams "I know what I'm talking about," like blanket accusations & collectivism.

This is almost sig-worthy... hmmm.

 

[AuH20]

 

[Origanalist]

I've seen (two, I believe) abortion films. One was in two parts and explained the tools used and then the procedure (d&c, end of first trimester), and the other just the procedure.

Didn't bother me as much of some of the shit I saw in EMS.

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I mean, I don't get it really. It's either you want women to walk into a procedure scared out of their minds, with their BP and pulse up that could risk more problems during the procedure, or you want a more educated populace on abortion so that hopefully they would (i guess in a pro-lifers standpoint) choose to not have one, or walk into the clinic knowing exactly what is going to happen.

But shouldn't we always wish for a more educated populace? You can research and watch a medical video on nearly all medical procedures - as abortion is a medical procedure, I don't see what the big issue is.

She did have the liberty to film her own medical procedure, right?

"medical procedure"

Is that like "surgical drone strikes"?

 

[Nirvikalpa]

"medical procedure"

Is that like "surgical drone strikes"?

I'm sorry - does it not involve a medical procedure? I call it what it is.

You're free to educate me on what it actually is, if it is not a medical procedure

 

[kcchiefs6465]

I've seen (two, I believe) abortion films. One was in two parts and explained the tools used and then the procedure (d&c, end of first trimester), and the other just the procedure.

Didn't bother me as much of some of the shit I saw in EMS.

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I mean, I don't get it really. It's either you want women to walk into a procedure scared out of their minds, with their BP and pulse up that could risk more problems during the procedure, or you want a more educated populace on abortion so that hopefully they would (i guess in a pro-lifers standpoint) choose to not have one, or walk into the clinic knowing exactly what is going to happen.

But shouldn't we always wish for a more educated populace? You can research and watch a medical video on nearly all medical procedures - as abortion is a medical procedure, I don't see what the big issue is.

She did have the liberty to film her own medical procedure, right?

What?

 

[Origanalist]

I'm sorry - does it not involve a medical procedure? I call it what it is.

You're free to educate me on what it actually is, if it is not a medical procedure

My definition of a medical procedure is one that is done to save the life or improve the health of the patient. Abortion doesn't meet that definition.

 

[donnay]

Soulless eyes.

 

[fisharmor]

Slayer video

This and a completely forgotten track by Doug E. Fresh are the only songs I've ever heard that cast abortion in a negative light.
And Slayer isn't even making a value judgment - they're just describing what happens.

Pain - suffrage toyed
Life's little fragments destroyed

Best line of the song.

 

[Madison320]

I mean, I don't get it really. It's either you want women to walk into a procedure scared out of their minds, with their BP and pulse up that could risk more problems during the procedure, or you want a more educated populace on abortion so that hopefully they would (i guess in a pro-lifers standpoint) choose to not have one, or walk into the clinic knowing exactly what is going to happen.

But shouldn't we always wish for a more educated populace? You can research and watch a medical video on nearly all medical procedures - as abortion is a medical procedure, I don't see what the big issue is.

She did have the liberty to film her own medical procedure, right?

I agree. It seems like most people here see abortion as murder with no gray areas. I don't think it's that simple. For one thing the mother has to carry the fetus so there's an obligation that doesn't exist with "normal" murder. Also I've asked myself if I would care if I was aborted, and I don't see how I would, how would I know? Suppose you knew 2 women, one had an abortion and the other murdered her husband in cold blood. Would you feel the same about both? Would you stop associating with a woman if you found out she had an abortion? I wouldn't but I sure as hell would if I found out she killed her husband. I don't think libertarian theory answers the question of abortion. I take a compromise position on this. I think it should be legal for the first trimester.

 

[Danke]

A real feminist would have avoided men altogether and found a perfectly good female partner. Because, y'know, all sexual intercourse is actually rape.

 

[Philhelm]

. . . and I didn’t have any long-term partners.

I know you didn't, sweetheart.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Nothing screams "I know what I'm talking about," like blanket accusations & collectivism.

This is almost sig-worthy... hmmm.

Go ahead and stoop that low if you like.

You obviously have a reading comprehension problem since that was obviously meant to be sarcasm and not a pinnacle of wisdom.

Also, what is it, exactly, that I am accusing anyone of?

 

[PaulConventionWV]

I've seen (two, I believe) abortion films. One was in two parts and explained the tools used and then the procedure (d&c, end of first trimester), and the other just the procedure.

Didn't bother me as much of some of the shit I saw in EMS.

-----

I mean, I don't get it really. It's either you want women to walk into a procedure scared out of their minds, with their BP and pulse up that could risk more problems during the procedure, or you want a more educated populace on abortion so that hopefully they would (i guess in a pro-lifers standpoint) choose to not have one, or walk into the clinic knowing exactly what is going to happen.

But shouldn't we always wish for a more educated populace? You can research and watch a medical video on nearly all medical procedures - as abortion is a medical procedure, I don't see what the big issue is.

She did have the liberty to film her own medical procedure, right?

Oh, my. How can we live with ourselves causing "problems" by indirectly contributing to a slight increase in the woman's blood pressure. I am ashamed.

Oh, and nobody is talking about liberty here. Of course she had the liberty to film her medical procedure, and we have the liberty to ridicule her for it and say she's an attention whore.

 

[Philhelm]

You're free to educate me on what it actually is, if it is not a medical procedure

I would throw my hat into the ring, but it would be hypocritical of me. I decided to check my privilege and realized that there should be laws against educating the female gender so as to better keep my stranglehold on my subordinates.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

This and a completely forgotten track by Doug E. Fresh are the only songs I've ever heard that cast abortion in a negative light.
And Slayer isn't even making a value judgment - they're just describing what happens.

Pain - suffrage toyed
Life's little fragments destroyed

Best line of the song.

Suffrage toyed? Who's toying with our right to vote again?