Why has Rand not released a statement on the same sex marriage ruling?

[tod evans]

He isn't going to get my support financially if he doesn't speak out in favor of preserving religious liberty at all. Right now Rand is the worst Republican in the race on that particular issue.

I agree. Really dumb strategy on Rand's part.

What is this "Religious Liberty" you guys banter around?

Does it apply to all religions?

 

[Sola_Fide]

What is this "Religious Liberty" you guys banter around?

Does it apply to all religions?

Religious liberty is the foundation of all other liberty because it goes deeper than actions or economics, it goes to thoughts and to the heart. You can't have liberty without liberty of conscience.

 

[tod evans]

Religious liberty is the foundation of all other liberty because it goes deeper than actions or economics, it goes to thoughts and to the heart. You can't have liberty without liberty of conscience.

Would you grant the exact same "Liberty" to other religions?

 

[Sola_Fide]

Would you grant the exact same "Liberty" to other religions?

I don't think it can be granted by anyone. It's innate.

 

[tod evans]

I don't think it can be granted by anyone. It's innate.

Okay, would you "respect" other religions innate sense of their "Religious Liberty"?

Would you give another man who believes differently the same respect you would have him grant you?

 

[Sola_Fide]

Okay, would you "respect" other religions innate sense of their "Religious Liberty"?

Would you give another man who believes differently the same respect you would have him grant you?

Of course. I am a Christian libertarian, not a conservative.

 

[tod evans]

Of course. I am a Christian libertarian, not a conservative.

+ rep!

I still think Rand is votes/money ahead to keep his mouth shut on some of these more divisive issues no matter how loudly some whine...

There's time when the dust settles to expound on his beliefs and rationale....

 

[LibertyRevolution]

Frankly its a bit of a minefield for him. He's smart to stay quiet. The nuance of a libertarian position on this issue can be hairy.

Even his father would have said it should be a state's rights issue right? well this turns out to be kind of the opposite of that, doesn't it; with the supreme court over-ruling state decisions. And if he comes flat out simply "pro gay" on all fronts, principles be damned; then he'll offend many of the religious crowd.

The libertarian position on everything is pretty strait forward...

Does this cause harm others or their property? No? Then there should be no restriction on it.

 

[Sola_Fide]

You think God will judge our nation? How very Old Testament of you.

Why do you think God changed from the Old Testament to the New? God judges sin individually and corporately, and what we see around us today is very much the judgment of God.

 

[Crashland]

I agree that the Civil Rights Act is one of the primary reasons why Christian business owners are losing their religious freedom. Still, before the states began recognizing same sex marriages, there were no examples of Christian business owners being forced to provide services for same sex marriages. So the expansion of government marriage has contributed to the loss of religious liberty for Christians.

I think this might be a case of correlation, not causation. The businesses you hear about are always bakeries or photo services that don't want to participate in a gay wedding, and since there are more gay weddings this was bound to become an issue.

 

[squirl22]

I don't understand why people here are condemning Rand for not saying anything yet on the gay marriage decision. I guess it never crosses your mind he might be reading it first? He has several engagements scheduled for this coming week in various states; some how I think he will have something to say at that point. So Cruz, et al, had an opinion before reading the decision, something like voting for bills you have not read yet, isn't it? Why do people here think they are smarter than Rand? I guess there might be some high IQ's, but it is hard to tell. The lukewarm support here for Rand is troubling to me. I joined this site to be around other Rand supporters but there don't seem to be that many...maybe you all should start a separate forum for Ted Cruz supporters..for those he can't tell the difference between integrity and theater.

 

[rich34]

I'm just wondering why Rand hasn't issued any statement on the same sex marriage ruling. He's running for President and must realize that he can't just run and hide on controversial issues. He's going to get asked about it and will eventually have to give his position and what should happen going forward. Whatever his position is, he needs to make it clear. No one who's running for President can just be silent on major issues. That's not going to work. IMO he should release a statement talking about how he will pledge to preserve religious liberty and endorses laws in states like Oklahoma and Alabama that would get the government out of marriage. That would be the pro liberty position. It's not pro liberty to be silent on controversial issues and not take a stcand.

Does it really matter now? I thought once the high court ruled on it thats it. I dont think congress can go over top of them by passing a law
at this point.

Besides Rand needs to try and do a better job avoiding land mines.

 

[Brett85]

+ rep!

I still think Rand is votes/money ahead to keep his mouth shut on some of these more divisive issues no matter how loudly some whine...

There's time when the dust settles to expound on his beliefs and rationale....

Rand certainly doesn't keep his mouth shut when it comes to speaking out in favor of preserving the 4th Amendment. So why would he keep quiet about preserving the 1st Amendment?

 

[Brett85]

I joined this site to be around other Rand supporters but there don't seem to be that many...maybe you all should start a separate forum for Ted Cruz supporters..for those he can't tell the difference between integrity and theater.

Some of us are kind of between a rock and a hard place because we can't support Cruz because of his interventionist foreign policy, but unfortunately Rand is far worse than Cruz on this issue, and if Rand keeps it up we won't be able to support him either.

 

[tod evans]

Rand certainly doesn't keep his mouth shut when it comes to speaking out in favor of preserving the 4th Amendment. So why would he keep quiet about preserving the 1st Amendment?

How in the world does pro-homo legislation run afoul of the 1st?

And would you mind defining "Religious Liberty" for me please, I'm kind of confused on your meaning?

 

[CPUd]

LOL, Rand is missing out on all the good press by not dropping nuggets of wisdom on this issue like J does:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?477444-Jindal-Let-s-just-get-rid-of-the-court

 

[jkob]

He's going to have to comment on it eventually, I guess not answering right away is better than the wrong answer but some of you guys might disagree with it. At this point, it is the law and the majority of the American people have moved on from this issue so to keep fighting doesn't benefit anyone. Rand has a chance to distinguish himself from the rest of Republican field, hopefully he takes that opportunity.

 

[Brett85]

How in the world does pro-homo legislation run afoul of the 1st?

And would you mind defining "Religious Liberty" for me please, I'm kind of confused on your meaning?

Religious liberty means having the right to practice your religion as you see fit. And I'll give you examples of how the gay rights movement is infringing on the religious liberty rights of Christians.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...stian-bakers-lose-gay-cake-case-31233574.html

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...arriage-ceremony-next-stop-u-s-supreme-court/

 

[Brett85]

He's going to have to comment on it eventually, I guess not answering right away is better than the wrong answer but some of you guys might disagree with it. At this point, it is the law and the majority of the American people have moved on from this issue so to keep fighting doesn't benefit anyone.

Again, it's not possible to "move on" from this issue when the goal of the gay rights movement is to criminalize Christianity in America. It's a major issue and an issue that Rand is completely dropping the ball on. There should be no disagreement between libertarians and social conservatives when it comes to preserving religious liberty. None.

 

[acptulsa]

He's going to have to comment on it eventually, I guess not answering right away is better than the wrong answer but some of you guys might disagree with it. At this point, it is the law and the majority of the American people have moved on from this issue so to keep fighting doesn't benefit anyone. Rand has a chance to distinguish himself from the rest of Republican field, hopefully he takes that opportunity.

He addressed it. He addressed it already. Post 50.

Again, it's not possible to "move on" from this issue when the goal of the gay rights movement is to criminalize Christianity in America. It's a major issue and an issue that Rand is completely dropping the ball on. There should be no disagreement between libertarians and social conservatives when it comes to preserving religious liberty. None.

So, you consider his states' rights argument a complete violation of your religious liberty? You can't have religious liberty until you go to every single one of the fifty states and tell lifelong couples that you don't approve of that they aren't married, and deprive them of couples' insurance benefits and the like?