Why even bother looking for a job anymore?

devil21

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At what point do people realize that they don't even need to bother with trying to find a job? Every few months the gov't will just extend unemployment benefits and health insurance even further, so what's the point of working to earn your living when you can just take the never-ending gov't handouts? I've seen unemployment benefits extended up to 84 weeks (1.5 years!!) in some places and that's before this extension happens (and it will). With unemployment continuing upward with no end in sight I think it's pretty safe to say that this will NOT stop. 10%-20% of the country going broke and homeless won't be allowed.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_obama

WASHINGTON – The Obama administration is considering steps to ease the burdens of laid-off workers, including possible extensions of unemployment and health benefits, officials said Saturday.

The administration has stopped short of calling for a second economic stimulus package to augment the $787 billion measure approved this year. But with the jobless rate continuing to climb, President Barack Obama said Saturday he is exploring "additional options to promote job creation."

Administration aides said possibilities include:

_extending enhanced unemployment-insurance benefits beyond Dec. 31, when they are set to expire.

_extending a tax credit for laid-off workers who buy health insurance through the COBRA program. That program allows workers to keep their company's health insurance plan for 18 months after they leave their job, if they pay the premiums.

_extending a tax credit for first-time home buyers. This credit also is set to expire soon.

The administration has discussed these possibilities with congressional leaders, officials said, but no decisions have been made.

White House economic adviser Lawrence Summers expressed interest in these ideas in an online interview with the Atlantic magazine. "I don't know what the term 'second stimulus package' exactly means," Summers said. "We certainly need to continue to support people who are in need, whether it's unemployment insurance, or a COBRA program that for the first time provides that people who are laid off get supported in being able to maintain their health insurance."

In his weekly radio and Internet video address Saturday, Obama said his proposed health care overhaul would create jobs by making small business startups more affordable. If aspiring entrepreneurs believe they can stay insured while switching jobs, he said, they will start new businesses and hire workers.

"I hear about it from small business owners who want to grow their companies and hire more people, but they cant, because they can barely afford to insure the employees they have," Obama said. "One small business owner wrote to me that health care costs are and I quote 'stifling my business growth.' He said that the money he wanted to use for research and development, and to expand his operations, has instead been 'thrown into the pocket of healthcare insurance carriers.' "

Dismissive Republicans blamed the continuing job losses on Democratic policies and said the president's health proposals won't help.

The unemployment rate rose to 9.8 percent in September, the highest since June 1983, as employers cut far more jobs than expected. The government reported Friday that the economy lost a net total of 263,000 jobs last month, from a downwardly revised 201,000 in August. All told, 15.1 million people are now out of work, the Labor Department said, and 7.2 million jobs have been eliminated since the recession began in December 2007.

more at link
 
At what point do people realize that they don't even need to bother with trying to find a job? Every few months the gov't will just extend unemployment benefits and health insurance even further, so what's the point of working to earn your living when you can just take the never-ending gov't handouts? I've seen unemployment benefits extended up to 84 weeks (1.5 years!!) in some places and that's before this extension happens (and it will). With unemployment continuing upward with no end in sight I think it's pretty safe to say that this will NOT stop. 10%-20% of the country going broke and homeless won't be allowed.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_obamahttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_obama


I am unemployed and on benefits. I am in my 30th week. Florida has the longest unemployment in the country that I know of 79 weeks. I think a few other states have that. Haven't heard of 84 weeks yet. But its going to go up to 92 for Florida here shortly.

I still look for work. I take advantage of it by going around setting up barters with people. I traded $1,000 worth of legal service for website modification. I just set up bi-monthly massage sessions a $200 value for bi-monthly tech lessons. I decided to stop asking for money to mow people's lawns and instead take empty gas jugs with me and ask them to fill them up for me. I have probably 12 2-5 gallon jugs of gas now that I rotate with a couple of other neighbors in exchange for BBQ on the weekends.

And oh, maybe later I will scan in the new letter that I got from the the FL governors office telling me that I qualify for 5,400 dollars of trade and technical training just by going to these certain schools and flashing my unemployment badge.

Anyways, would I trade this all for a "real" job? LOL, probably not. I need to learn to survive without the corp. It is doubtful that any company I did work at would be able to keep me for any length of time unless I cut my own throat.

Its bleak out there. I rather enjoy living on bare bones. 1 more thing, here is an example of my piss ant attitude on display when it comes out. I was just contemplating this very same thing what yesterday or day before. I was talking to someone about it. Anyways, I concluded...


You know what, I hope they do keep extending unemployment forever and tax the shit out of everyone who is too lazy to say NO. Its not like the message hasn't been spread all over the internet and even MSM now. People have no excuse at all to put up with this bullshit. But who the hell am I to try and change people's minds? I guess they like being taxed so I can get my weekly stipend from them. I really believe people will sit around and wait until they get taxed 80% of what they make before they start feeling the pain. That's how damn fat and lazy this country has become. So fuck it, tax em let em feel the pain. IN the mean time, I will take advantage of it and learn how to live without all that cotton money until everyone else decides that the shell game is over. No sense in fighting it.

Anyways, its tough being on unemployment and trying to talk about freedom and liberty. But, my saving grace for my own soul is my barter system I am developing, and the fact that I got devoured by the system for a good 14 years.

Flame me.:o
 
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Transition to a true free-market capitalist economy should START AT THE TOP, with the RICHEST welfare recipients.

It's immoral and insane to demand that the least among us have to become free-marketeers first, and then, much later, we promise the rich will get off corporate welfare as they ship jobs overseas and plunder tax money.
 
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I am unemployed and on benefits. I am in my 30th week. Florida has the longest unemployment in the country that I know of 79 weeks. I think a few other states have that. Haven't heard of 84 weeks yet. But its going to go up to 92 for Florida here shortly.


newbitech, do you feel bad or remorseful at all that you are on governemnt money? even though one of the tenants of "freedom" movement is being selfsufficient and not having huge govt' social programs?
 
Anyways, its tough being on unemployment and trying to talk about freedom and liberty. But, my saving grace for my own soul is my barter system I am developing, and the fact that I got devoured by the system for a good 14 years.

Flame me.:o
Na I can't flame you I don't blame you one bit. Do what you have to to pull yourself thru.

I hear ya I have been unemployed for a year with no unemployment benefits I have gone bankrupt and my family has been paying my bills. Fortunately I had a nice garden and shared it with all my family and friends and did some trading around for things I needed. I have been on food stamps too I have bought food for people who did not have any food with them as well as for myself, family, and friends. Everyone I personally know is having a hard time making ends meet.

The job I finally did land is commission only so I have to make my work count.
 
newbitech, do you feel bad or remorseful at all that you are on governemnt money? even though one of the tenants of "freedom" movement is being selfsufficient and not having huge govt' social programs?

Dont hate the player, hate the game.
 
newbitech, do you feel bad or remorseful at all that you are on governemnt money? even though one of the tenants of "freedom" movement is being selfsufficient and not having huge govt' social programs?

Why should he feel bad for hastening the decline of the system he despises? Anyway, if the most powerful in our society want no holds barred, survival of the fittest cronysism, then he's succeeding wildly by milking the system. Rulers must live by the principles they're demanding of everyone else.
 
$400 a week vs $1000 week, not sure
$400 a week vs $2000 week, rather have $2k

How did I feel when I received unemployment way back when? Crappy and scared. But it IS my policy that I and my employer paid weekly premiums on. So why would I not initiate claims against said policy?
 
newbitech, do you feel bad or remorseful at all that you are on governemnt money? even though one of the tenants of "freedom" movement is being selfsufficient and not having huge govt' social programs?


I will tell you the truth. I don't feel bad or remorseful at all for accepting a "welfare check". To be honest, the only thing I really feel bad about is that I live in Florida where I "only get" 1200 a month before tax. I mean seriously. I grabbed unemployment for all of 1 month during the last bust. I look at my Social Security Statement and I have averaged 27k gross since 1995. If I look at just the last 10 years, that average goes up to to almost 35k. Not much, I feel like I can be doing better. The last 5 years approaching 50k. I laugh out loud every time I see the deposits in my bank account. Every 2 weeks I get $250 deposit and a $25 deposit times 2. $275 a week is LOL territory for me. I can bust that out in two days of walking the neighborhood doing stuff IF it didn't cost so damn much to open and operate a legit business.

Seriously, if I could throw $200 bucks a month out when I was making 49k to help keep a family's power on, I would do it in a heartbeat. Probably more. So nah, I don't feel bad or remorseful knowing that there are 6 people out there kicking out $200 bucks a month to help me out.

I mean hell there are maybe 6/100 people out there who are going to get all pissy because they don't want the government touching their money. As long as the other 94 people don't give a shit, or at least don't ACT like they give a shit about helping me out, why should I give a shit?

On the other hand, I do have an conflict with this because I know it won't last. Its not that I think people are going to suddenly wake up and realize that it doesn't have to be this way. I just know eventually I am going to say, ok enough, I have what I need now its time for me to start giving back.

That is why it is so important to me to keep looking for work, to continue to live my life and take actions that represent my philosophy of living free. I barter, I garden, I help people for "free". This in turn allows me to share my ideas. When people question me about my finances, I am not ashamed to tell them I am on temporary welfare and THANK THEM for allowing the government to take their money and give it to me cause I know if I asked them for it, I wouldn't get it. And that's how I have been building relationships.

Its not as easy as just throwing around cash when I want something, but it sure is exciting to know that I can turn that conversation right back around and still come out getting my point across.

I know it will end, and I look forward to the day when I am completely free of unsolicited government intervention in my life. At some point all of us freedom lovers have to start walking the talk, and acting how we believe. What better time then when my neighbors graciously help me out?

Flame me!!!! I deserve it.
 
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the road you drive on is a huge government social program. don't be a hypocrite. cut through your neighbors yard
 
newbitech, do you feel bad or remorseful at all that you are on governemnt money? even though one of the tenants of "freedom" movement is being selfsufficient and not having huge govt' social programs?

I haven't gotten unemployment, and I have been unemployed for over 3 years.
I have been tempted to do similar. to get any and all the handout programs I could, in hopes of crashing the system. But I haven't.
We are getting by on my wife's Social Security and her part time job. I work around the farm and volunteer at the Church some. I keep the junk running, and cut wood, stay busy around here.
When everything crashes, we will only make minor adjustments.
Folks who are used to "having it all" will be impacted much worse.
 
Nope. The best way to destroy this corrupt system is to use it the way it was intended to be used.
 
I am unemployed and on benefits. I am in my 30th week. Florida has the longest unemployment in the country that I know of 79 weeks. I think a few other states have that. Haven't heard of 84 weeks yet. But its going to go up to 92 for Florida here shortly.

I still look for work. I take advantage of it by going around setting up barters with people. I traded $1,000 worth of legal service for website modification. I just set up bi-monthly massage sessions a $200 value for bi-monthly tech lessons. I decided to stop asking for money to mow people's lawns and instead take empty gas jugs with me and ask them to fill them up for me. I have probably 12 2-5 gallon jugs of gas now that I rotate with a couple of other neighbors in exchange for BBQ on the weekends.

And oh, maybe later I will scan in the new letter that I got from the the FL governors office telling me that I qualify for 5,400 dollars of trade and technical training just by going to these certain schools and flashing my unemployment badge.

Anyways, would I trade this all for a "real" job? LOL, probably not. I need to learn to survive without the corp. It is doubtful that any company I did work at would be able to keep me for any length of time unless I cut my own throat.

Its bleak out there. I rather enjoy living on bare bones. 1 more thing, here is an example of my piss ant attitude on display when it comes out. I was just contemplating this very same thing what yesterday or day before. I was talking to someone about it. Anyways, I concluded...


You know what, I hope they do keep extending unemployment forever and tax the shit out of everyone who is too lazy to say NO. Its not like the message hasn't been spread all over the internet and even MSM now. People have no excuse at all to put up with this bullshit. But who the hell am I to try and change people's minds? I guess they like being taxed so I can get my weekly stipend from them. I really believe people will sit around and wait until they get taxed 80% of what they make before they start feeling the pain. That's how damn fat and lazy this country has become. So fuck it, tax em let em feel the pain. IN the mean time, I will take advantage of it and learn how to live without all that cotton money until everyone else decides that the shell game is over. No sense in fighting it.

Anyways, its tough being on unemployment and trying to talk about freedom and liberty. But, my saving grace for my own soul is my barter system I am developing, and the fact that I got devoured by the system for a good 14 years.

Flame me.:o

What for? By sucking as much as you can out of the state, you are hastening its demise.

newbitech should receive nothing but our applause.
 
newbitech, do you feel bad or remorseful at all that you are on governemnt money? even though one of the tenants of "freedom" movement is being selfsufficient and not having huge govt' social programs?

I am currently on gov'ment money too (only food and medical, no welfare cash for me :)), but I don't feel guilty-I was forced into this position because of illness and the government destroyed the economy. :p:mad: I'm also doing what I can to get out of my situation. :cool:
 
I've been unemployed and getting bennys since last July or so.

Do I feel bad? Sometimes. When I look at my Mom who pays a shitload in taxes every 4 mos. just so the IRS doesn't fine her for keeping her own money for a year instead of giving it to them every quarter. But even she told me, since I've been sending the libertarian message to her, that everyone should do this.

I've been saying this for a year now. Everyone, get fired. Get unemployment, get da welfare and food stamps and free medical care, via the state. Because it wouldn't take 6 mos for the entire system to take a shit if they did. Run this motherfucker right into the ground, if that's what you want. I'll figure out a way once the money is gone, I hope.

BTW, I have been looking steadily the entire time. It's not like I'm sitting back, fat and happy, just taking my share of the pie. There are no jobs. Hell, I don't even get emails anymore saying they received my resume.

Last year, I was making 60000. This year, ummm, not so much. I and my employer paid into this system, so why would I not use it when it is afforded to me? Would you rather me lose what little I still have in order to feel good about myself? Cause my pride left about 6 months ago, but I still have my car so I can still look for work. I still have power in my house.....Hell, I still have my house so my children are stable. And that is what I pride myself on now.
 
I find it hard to believe you guys can't at least find a low paying job.

There is unemployment unemployment, and then there is "I can't find a job that meets my standards". Not trying to be harsh here, I may just be ignorant of your circumstances.

I've been saying this for a year now. Everyone, get fired. Get unemployment, get da welfare and food stamps and free medical care, via the state. Because it wouldn't take 6 mos for the entire system to take a shit if they did. Run this motherfucker right into the ground, if that's what you want. I'll figure out a way once the money is gone, I hope.

Once the mother fucker hits rock bottom, what resources will you have to make due? At what point do you detach yourself from the mofo and start flying solo? To pick a random analogy, it seems like trying to wait for the last possible second until you have to deploy your parachute.
 
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I've been unemployed and getting bennys since last July or so.

Do I feel bad? Sometimes. When I look at my Mom who pays a shitload in taxes every 4 mos. just so the IRS doesn't fine her for keeping her own money for a year instead of giving it to them every quarter. But even she told me, since I've been sending the libertarian message to her, that everyone should do this.

I've been saying this for a year now. Everyone, get fired. Get unemployment, get da welfare and food stamps and free medical care, via the state. Because it wouldn't take 6 mos for the entire system to take a shit if they did. Run this motherfucker right into the ground, if that's what you want. I'll figure out a way once the money is gone, I hope.

BTW, I have been looking steadily the entire time. It's not like I'm sitting back, fat and happy, just taking my share of the pie. There are no jobs. Hell, I don't even get emails anymore saying they received my resume.

Last year, I was making 60000. This year, ummm, not so much. I and my employer paid into this system, so why would I not use it when it is afforded to me? Would you rather me lose what little I still have in order to feel good about myself? Cause my pride left about 6 months ago, but I still have my car so I can still look for work. I still have power in my house.....Hell, I still have my house so my children are stable. And that is what I pride myself on now.

it's not your fault the system is fucked to begin with; maybe they'll learn after more people shrug and just live on the dole and the entire thing breaks down? most likely not though
 
Why would you expect someone to take a low paying job, work 40hrs a week, and come home with less money than they would make sitting home playing xbox collecting benefits?
 
It makes me feel better knowing that at least some freedom lovers are actually getting at least a little bit of the money I send to the feds every month.

I don't see any ethical dilemma for those of you getting benefits for which you qualify. If someone put a gun to your head, stole your wallet and then gave you a $20 from their pocket, would it be wrong to accept the $20? As long as you are not totally defrauding the system, take as much as you are legally entitled. It's no different that me taking every tax deduction I am legally entitled to or people doing the cash for clunkers deals or anything else.

I routinely encourage patients who qualify for social security disability to apply for it, though some wait until they are totally destitute even though they may have qualified for years.
 
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