Exactly.
Why does Ron hate the Dept. of Education so much?
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Oh I think he does - at least I do.
This is one of his strongest and most important issues!
DOE spending takes control away from local governments (parents) and negatively impacts the education of this generation! That makes it more important than other federal agencies.
I do think he needs to better explain "why".
He needs to have more of those "Let me get this straight moments..."
We ask Americans to send the Federal Department of Education $X billions of dollars so that it can turn around and distribute "some" of those dollars out to 50 State Departments of Education, so they can divy it out to local School Boards.
What is going on here?????
Why not take Washington out of the equation and allow Americans to pay their education dollars directly to those who they can actually have some impact when it comes to how the money is spent?
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I agree w/some of you that Dr. Paul should be more informative about why he wants to do some of these things. Most of us know why he says these things or has these beliefs on certain issues but the average person who doesn't know about Dr. Paul can be easily confused. He says we need to get rid of the Department of Education, Social Security, income tax, & people think he is crazy. He needs to explain more clearly how these things actually hurt the American people even though they are supposed to be there to aid us.
There are still so many people out there who have never even heard of Dr. Paul that it is sickening. Everytime he steps in front of a mic, he has to think he is adressing people for the 1st time.
There are still so many people out there who have never even heard of Dr. Paul that it is sickening. Everytime he steps in front of a mic, he has to think he is adressing people for the 1st time.
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The alternative is simple: let school taxes and education funding be performed at state and local levels instead of sending all the money first to Washington, filtering it through 10 or 11 levels of beaurocracy and hand the change back to the states with federal mandates. Oh, and if the mandates are not met, they get to keep the change too. No one is talking about getting rid of public education. Understand that fundamental idea and the rest will begin to click into place.
I read this somewhere else...but I dont remember where.
I read this somewhere else...but I dont remember where.
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Its damn institutions like the department of ignorance that does not allow teachers to teach on the constitution. If it was up to me the damn high schools would teach one whole class on the constitution and our laws... I hate the damn dumbed down idiots in our country that want their free lunch.
He wants to get rid of many of the bloated "Departments of..." in government. They are nothing but over-funded, money-sucking, black holes of nothingness. So much money could be saved if many of these useless departments can be eliminated and/or let the states run them, ie. education departments. Think--> too many layers of management. Never a good thing. Lean and mean is always better.
He is NOT against educating our children. 3 of his sons are doctors, one is an engineer. I think they obtained really good educations while living with their dad...
Perhaps explaining things a bit would help - I do notice when someone interviews him he is very explicit and easy to understand.
He is NOT against educating our children. 3 of his sons are doctors, one is an engineer. I think they obtained really good educations while living with their dad...
Perhaps explaining things a bit would help - I do notice when someone interviews him he is very explicit and easy to understand.
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Wow! Free ebook! Also check out http://www.americandeception.com/
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You are under the assumption that public schools will go away. That is not the case. They would be funded locally. Better use of tax dollars.
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Are you talking about the Government Indoctrination Centers? Never listen to Carlin have ya?
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Regarding the money you send to Washington every year....don't you think it would be better to send it to your local school directly rather than them have to beg for it from the federal government?
I agree...if you want to get rid of it, do so as president...but don't say it while you're a candidate...it makes him look like he's against education.
He should have adopted George Bush's strategy...Bush never said he was planning to start a war in 2000...Gore would have won easily if Bush had said that...if the question about starting a war had been asked at 2000 debate and he would have lied....in 2004 Kerry would have said he deceived the American people...he would not have been reelected.
I agree...if you want to get rid of it, do so as president...but don't say it while you're a candidate...it makes him look like he's against education.
He should have adopted George Bush's strategy...Bush never said he was planning to start a war in 2000...Gore would have won easily if Bush had said that...if the question about starting a war had been asked at 2000 debate and he would have lied....in 2004 Kerry would have said he deceived the American people...he would not have been reelected.
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When Barry Goldwater ran for Presidency, he warned us against allowing the government to become involved in education. He was right, of course. "No Federal Aid to Education" was Goldwater's chant.
The states now have to send their money to the government, which wastes a lot in the huge beaurocracy and probably lobbyists get involved. Then they send a portion back to the states to use, but only if they follow the government rules for their curriculum. In other words the states have lost total control over their own school systems and the government in DC now dictates what they may teach in their schools. Hence, dumbing down of American school system. All their rules for the schools come from Marxist ideas.
When Bill Clinton was first elected President, the Marxists were overjoyed because they knew that Hillary and Bill would help them get their agenda into the schools. They wanted to be able to train a sort of dumb work force who could not expect very high pay for their work. (Think of NAFTA and CAFTA and China treaties where cheap labor exists.) This is what they want for America. It is why our goods are now made overseas and to expand the profits of business, while doing an end run around not being able to eliminate Unions who demanded fair pay and raises. This is the gist of it all.
We never had a dept of education prior to that election Goldwater lost. It is unconstitutional and destructive and dictatorial and Marxist. Many bad things have resulted from establishing the DE.
The states now have to send their money to the government, which wastes a lot in the huge beaurocracy and probably lobbyists get involved. Then they send a portion back to the states to use, but only if they follow the government rules for their curriculum. In other words the states have lost total control over their own school systems and the government in DC now dictates what they may teach in their schools. Hence, dumbing down of American school system. All their rules for the schools come from Marxist ideas.
When Bill Clinton was first elected President, the Marxists were overjoyed because they knew that Hillary and Bill would help them get their agenda into the schools. They wanted to be able to train a sort of dumb work force who could not expect very high pay for their work. (Think of NAFTA and CAFTA and China treaties where cheap labor exists.) This is what they want for America. It is why our goods are now made overseas and to expand the profits of business, while doing an end run around not being able to eliminate Unions who demanded fair pay and raises. This is the gist of it all.
We never had a dept of education prior to that election Goldwater lost. It is unconstitutional and destructive and dictatorial and Marxist. Many bad things have resulted from establishing the DE.
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Great site, here is another one, 'The Underground History of American Education': http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/toc1.htm
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Right on! Man some of us need to look back in my case 1969, Music,sports,art so many things that we had a chance to enjoy and parents were proud of their local school. I see no pride now.
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Until recently opposing the Dept of Education was a huge issue for Republicans. GWB basically shit on the legacy of Ronald Reagan and many others with his "compassionate" expansion of federal involvement.
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The government school system in the US is the sorting and indoctrinating arm of the state. It was conceived as a way to insure a steady supply of uniform workers for the industrial economy by Rockefeller, Carnegie, JP Morgan, and other "stakeholders" (I hate that word and idea). It is now primarily used to indoctrinate the population into socialism and environmentalist dogma. This is researched and proven by people like former N.Y. Teacher of the year John Taylor Gatto and Charlotte Iserbyt who worked in the Reagan Dept. of Ed. (she has documentation). Samuel Blumenfeld has written a dynamite book Called "NEA: Trojan Horse in American Education" that explains how the early school designers headed by humanist John Dewey (who, BTW, spoke of the need to convert the population to the RELIGION of humanism in the schools) used animal training research (the hierarchy of needs such as acceptance; bells, age segregation, peer pressure) and psy-ops on American children to mold the population into dumbed down obedient fearful sheep who demand leaders and experts who tell them what to do and think. Government schooling is probably the greatest atrocity committed against humanity in history. There is a reason most folks can't even read the Constitution, much less know what's in it. IT IS BY DESIGN. I won't even go into the Marxist platform of the NEA, friend of the good Rev. Huckabee. If you value liberty get your kids OUT of the govschools yesterday!!!
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Because it is in a large part the means in which Americans are controlled? As we've seen with mass media, when control of everything falls into few hands, the special interests take over those people in no time flat.
The DoE passes down mandates and standardized testing, as well as other control programs, down to the states. Politicians and bureaucrats are deciding what your kids are taught in school. Ones who love big government, welfare state, policing the world, ect.
I think our society today is a perfect example of why you don't want the government running education. Firstly people end up stupid and uneducated, since central planning never works and educations no exception. Then you also get political and ideological views being passed to kids at a very young age, which they carry on with them as dead cold fact as the rest of their lives. Like how government is there to help you and solve your problems, instead of the truth that government is almost always the cause of your problems.
So yeah, we need parents and local communities deciding what they teach their kids, not DC 'good old boys', ie rich globalist elitist businessmen and the politicians they own. He doesn't even want to abolish public education like more extremist libertarian factions do, he just doesn't want all the money and power and decisions coming down from our benevolent overlords in DC.
I remember when I was in elementary school and we talked about the first gulf war and the somalia interventions in class. We had articles from newsweek and newspapers and such to go on, and a teacher telling us about it. Not even once was the legitimacy of the war itself or whether or not America should be getting involved in the first place ever talked about. The concept of intervention? Never brought up, it's just assumed that if someone thinks someone else is doing something wrong or bad, America rushes in to the rescue. I bet kids for years have been being taught the exact same thing about Iraq and Afghanistan.
This is why so much of america has no idea what the ideals of the constitution are. You are taught what the constitution is, and the details of it's drafting, but nothing of the spirit of it. Liberty, real money, non-interventionism, small restrained government, none of that is ever discussed anywhere in public (or the private school i attended for a few years) schools these days, and for a good long time. After the DoE conincidentally
Hence an entire country filled with people who think they are free while a small group of people run everything, borrow endlessly in their name to finance their re-elections and dreams of empire, meanwhile debasing the currency and regulating and taxing the jobs out of the country.
The DoE passes down mandates and standardized testing, as well as other control programs, down to the states. Politicians and bureaucrats are deciding what your kids are taught in school. Ones who love big government, welfare state, policing the world, ect.
I think our society today is a perfect example of why you don't want the government running education. Firstly people end up stupid and uneducated, since central planning never works and educations no exception. Then you also get political and ideological views being passed to kids at a very young age, which they carry on with them as dead cold fact as the rest of their lives. Like how government is there to help you and solve your problems, instead of the truth that government is almost always the cause of your problems.
So yeah, we need parents and local communities deciding what they teach their kids, not DC 'good old boys', ie rich globalist elitist businessmen and the politicians they own. He doesn't even want to abolish public education like more extremist libertarian factions do, he just doesn't want all the money and power and decisions coming down from our benevolent overlords in DC.
I remember when I was in elementary school and we talked about the first gulf war and the somalia interventions in class. We had articles from newsweek and newspapers and such to go on, and a teacher telling us about it. Not even once was the legitimacy of the war itself or whether or not America should be getting involved in the first place ever talked about. The concept of intervention? Never brought up, it's just assumed that if someone thinks someone else is doing something wrong or bad, America rushes in to the rescue. I bet kids for years have been being taught the exact same thing about Iraq and Afghanistan.
This is why so much of america has no idea what the ideals of the constitution are. You are taught what the constitution is, and the details of it's drafting, but nothing of the spirit of it. Liberty, real money, non-interventionism, small restrained government, none of that is ever discussed anywhere in public (or the private school i attended for a few years) schools these days, and for a good long time. After the DoE conincidentally
Hence an entire country filled with people who think they are free while a small group of people run everything, borrow endlessly in their name to finance their re-elections and dreams of empire, meanwhile debasing the currency and regulating and taxing the jobs out of the country.
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Most people assume that if you nationalize a department then the best experts in the country will flock to offer their expertise for the entire nation's benefit.
But it's not experts that flock to centralized bureaucracies, but professional bureaucrats. At least they are the ones that succeed in climbing the ladders of power.
The more local such committees are formed, the less influence such bureaucrats have and the less power vested interests can weild. Parents actually get to have a say. And when you get a say, you have an incentive to start learning and paying attention to the education process.
Wow...with freedom comes responsibility comes self-improvement *gasp*
But it's not experts that flock to centralized bureaucracies, but professional bureaucrats. At least they are the ones that succeed in climbing the ladders of power.
The more local such committees are formed, the less influence such bureaucrats have and the less power vested interests can weild. Parents actually get to have a say. And when you get a say, you have an incentive to start learning and paying attention to the education process.
Wow...with freedom comes responsibility comes self-improvement *gasp*
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