Why Do So Many Christians Detest Homosexuality, Yet Welcome All Other Vice?

[matt0611]

Ask yourself this: How many towns did God destroy over shellfish? How many over homosexuality? What happened to Lot's wife?

Exactly. Forbidding homosexual acts was a moral law: "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination."

Things like forbidding the eating of shellfish were things to separate people of Israel from the rest of the Earth as a holy people. "Everything in the waters that does not have fins and scales is detestable to you."

There is nothing inherently evil about eating the shellfish, as the Lord says "it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person.”

 

[otherone]

Not really. Paul taught that circumcision of the flesh without circumcision of the spirit was meaningless. He never flat-out stated that physical circumcision was wrong. Many of the Israelites were deluled into thinking it was necessary for salvation and that their works alone were enough to atone for their sins. In a way, we've come full-circle.

Paul (who never actually met Jesus) believed that Jesus was coming back soon, and took it upon himself to garner as many believers as he could in anticipation of judgement. Christianity met a roadblock amongst the Jews, and Paul saw fertile ground amongst the pagans. Peter (the rock guy who actually knew Jesus) said that he would only accept pagans into the fold after they converted to Judaism, and followed all the laws. Obviously, circumcision would have been a deterrent to pagans, so Paul decided that Christianity would be Judaism Lite.

 

[Alex Libman]

Ok, so I've recently noticed a few threads discussing the issue of homosexuality and there seems to be agreement among many Christians here and in society that it is immoral. I understand that.

Don't assume that homosexuality is only "immoral" according to religion. I grew up in the "officially atheist" Soviet Union, and it was probably the most homophobic place on Earth (even the Muslims make exceptions). They can't hold a "gay pride" parade in Moscow to this very day!

There's a certain logic behind "homophobia" that needs to be understood. I'm not condoning it, only explaining its underlying subconscious and economic causes. It's all about natalism and the "free rider problem". Some people spend their lives slaving to have children, and some people don't, and yet they benefit from other people's work. Of course not all heterosexual people have children, but at least they're practicing the right sport...

Green commie BS aside; the decline in fertility rates is, by far, the greatest threat to humanity in the 21st century.

 

[acptulsa]

Having been raised in a Presbyterian church that became a More Light church, I find the stereotype amusing. Judge not seems like good advice to me.

The most vocal of these, in my opinion, are men who are in the closet, in denial, and fighting their own natures tooth and nail. Most homophobes are, be they Christian or not. Those who are Christian are generally merely those homophobes who have turned to God for help in repressing a part of their natures they detest themselves for. They aren't a majority, but they are vocal enough to make you think they are.

As for why being homosexual or bi- causes such vehemenence in men, I don't know. Guess I'm lucky that way.

Okely dokely?

 

[TER]

Homosexual acts are detested by Christians because our God has quite clearly revealed them to be against His will and against our nature.

That doesn't mean it is the worst sin or that there are other vices that are not worse. Those who rally against the practice of homosexual acts and the promotion of such a lifestyle should have every right to speak up and protest. But if at the same time they harbor hate for the sinner, in effect murdering them in their thoughts, or remain a slave to their own sinful passions, they shall fall under greater judgment.

 

[muzzled dogg]

homosexuality is a vice?

 

[KrokHead]

Why Do So Many Christians Detest Homosexuality, Yet Welcome All Other Vice?

Everyone is a complete hypocrite. All sin is bad. Honestly, homosexuality doesn't do anything negative to affect my life (like violence or robbery) so I honestly I really don't focus on it at all.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

I'm a Christian. Jesus gave us two commandments, love your neighbor and love God. There was no third commandment "detest homosexuality". Actually, loving the homosexual falls into His first commandment, so you're a little off base there.

Maybe the word "Christian" you chose is too broad a brush for whichever denomination you are referring to.

Or maybe you're differentiating between "homosexuality" (the act) and "homosexual" (the person) - I totally understanding being against the act and still loving the person. If that's what you're getting at.

Just kind of a harsh absolute you threw out there. Just trying to grasp your meaning.

Where did you get the idea that there were only 2 commandments? And where did you get the idea that those are the only 2 commandments that matter?

 

[V3n]

Where did you get the idea that there were only 2 commandments? And where did you get the idea that those are the only 2 commandments that matter?

Jesus' own words:

Matthew 22:36-40
New International Version (NIV)

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

 

[Origanalist]

Where did you get the idea that there were only 2 commandments? And where did you get the idea that those are the only 2 commandments that matter?

Must be the new revised edition.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Everyone is a complete hypocrite. All sin is bad. Honestly, homosexuality doesn't do anything negative to affect my life (like violence or robbery) so I honestly I really don't focus on it at all.

I focus on it somewhat because it's a sign of our culture. Everyone is talking about it and I see it as moral hypocrisy (saying what is right and wrong according to your own arbitrary standards). Even still, however, I tend to take the position that we should detest all sin as we do homosexuality. There is nothing special about it, per se. It's just as wrong as the other sins, which means it's still a sin, just one that is seemingly very widespread and starting to be accepted into our culture. It's not act itself that has Christians up in arms, it's the social restructuring of society toward acceptance of what is wrong to make it seem like it's completely acceptable. If society began thinking any other sin (it doesn't matter which) was perfectly acceptable, I would feel the same way about that.

 

[PaleoPaul]

"And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply ... ." Hard to procreate when you have the same plumbing--just sayin'

Well, considering at the time it was only Adam and Eve on Earth, God kinda wanted more people on the planet...

 

[Origanalist]

Well, considering at the time it was only Adam and Eve on Earth, God kinda wanted more people on the planet...

Yes, that was the idea.

 

[TER]

God created Adam from the ground, but Eve He took from the side of Adam. There is much mystical meaning, that Eve came from Adam and not from the ground as did Adam. Behind this, the mystery of marriage is exactly that: a mystical union before God, sanctified and blessed, from water into wine. And in such divine unity and fullness in love, life is created, even to a child and other whole individual. And bringing joy, a common love shared between three persons. Yet another trinitarian revelation about God as found in His image amongst His children.

What God has combined, let no man tear asunder, and this refers as well to the sacrament of marriage which God has blessed only between a man and a women. This is not a modern saying, but according to the Word of God, and those who cannot accept this often times then reject God. That is why many who choose their passion above God then become fervent atheists, and the godlessness of society gains ever more, and the fall to perdition increases, in fact, accelerates.

The fall of Sodom is not merely a one time event, but an eternal example and reminder of what happens when a people abandon God and become revelers of the flesh and slaves to their lustful desires. Those poor souls who reject their Source of life and create idols of their own fallible three pound brains or of their base corruptible passions. It is our Christian duty to pray for these souls.

 

[Smart3]

God created Adam from the ground, but Eve He took from the side of Adam. There is much mystical meaning, that Eve came from Adam and not from the ground as did Adam. Behind this, the mystery of marriage is exactly that: a mystical union before God, sanctified and blessed, from water into wine. And in such divine unity and fullness in love, life is created, even to a child and other whole individual. And bringing joy, a common love shared between three persons. Yet another trinitarian revelation about God as found in His image amongst His children.

What God has combined, let no man tear asunder, and this refers as well to the sacrament of marriage which God has blessed only between a man and a women. This is not a modern saying, but according to the Word of God, and those who cannot accept this often times then reject God. That is why many who choose their passion above God then become fervent atheists, and the godlessness of society gains ever more, and the fall to perdition increases, in fact, accelerates.

The fall of Sodom is not merely a one time event, but an eternal example and reminder of what happens when a people abandon God and become revelers of the flesh and slaves to their lustful desires. Those poor souls who reject their Source of life and create idols of their own fallible three pound brains or of their base corruptible passions. It is our Christian duty to pray for these souls.

The scholar and activist Jay Michaelson proposes a reading of the story of Sodom that emphasizes the violation of hospitality as well as the violence of the Sodomites. "Homosexual rape is the way in which they violate hospitality—not the essence of their transgression. Reading the story of Sodom as being about homosexuality is like reading the story of an ax murderer as being about an ax." Michaelson places the story of Sodom in context with other Genesis stories regarding Abraham's hospitality to strangers, and argues that when other texts in the Hebrew Bible mention Sodom, they do so without commentary on homosexuality. The verses cited by Michaelson include Jeremiah 23:14, where the sins of Jerusalem are compared to Sodom and are listed as adultery, lying, and strengthening the hands of evildoers; Amos 4:1-11 (oppressing the poor and crushing the needy); and Ezekiel 16:49-50,which defines the sins of Sodom as "pride, fullness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and did toevah before me, and I took them away as I saw fit." Michaelson uses toevah in place of abomination to emphasize the original Hebrew, which he explains as being more correctly translated as "taboo".

The myth of Sodom being about homosexuality is perpetuated by closeted homosexuals.

 

[Natural Citizen]

God created Adam from the ground,...

Stardust, TER. Stardust....

And, oh yes. To dust you shall return, my friend. Which is probably why i agree with that Pope feller about everyone getting a theoretical free pass.

 

[I<3Liberty]

"And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply ... ." Hard to procreate when you have the same plumbing--just sayin'

This is a far from legit argument. Many gay couples adopt kids. Some straight couples don't have any kids. While I also question the morality of homosexuality, nothing peeves me more than terrible arguments.

 

[TonySutton]

This is a far from legit argument. Many gay couples adopt kids. Some straight couples don't have any kids. While I also question the morality of homosexuality, nothing peeves me more than terrible arguments.

and you have gays like me who have 4 kids biological even

 

[matt0611]

The myth of Sodom being about homosexuality is perpetuated by closeted homosexuals.

Even if Sodom wasn't about homosexuality, which I believe it was at least partly, along with other sins (sexual and non-sexual). I don't see how that changes the overall Biblical view that homosexuality is indeed a sin.

 

[amy31416]

and you have gays like me who have 4 kids biological even

Four children with a woman(en) when you aren't even sexually attracted? How do you fake it for so long?