Why do Neocons hate LewRockwell.com?

this, Lincoln has been getting a bad rap by libertarians who fail to put things into their proper context. the real enemy of liberty is FDR: devaluing our money and locking up American citizens into concentration camps. a foreign policy of mass murder (Haiti) if J Edgar Hoover had an equivalent in the oval office it would be FDR
:rolleyes: Every president sucked. http://www.whyeverypresidentsucked.com/# Abe is notable because he was a mass murderer domestically instead of abroad. The reason libertarians focus on Lincoln is to counter the State propaganda about "The Great Emancipator" :rolleyes: that has been drilled into American "common knowledge" and distorts their view of classical American civic philosophy.

Look at the upside, though. You folks defending Dishonest Abe have found quite a bit of common ground with Neocons and their mouthpieces like Billy O'Reily. :p
 
Yeah right. That's why there's been no scholarly refutation of his work. :rolleyes:

Really, it's so pathetic having to read your endless twaddle. You just ignore the countless times facts having been given to you and continue to repeat the same baseless claims. But in the final analysis it beggars belief that you would be such a staunch defender of a man who was so obviously an opponent of your precious 'classical liberalism'.
He doens't have his facts and is just here to push his silly establishment agenda and propaganda. Just put him on ignore like I do. Saves a lot of headaches.
 
Listen Trav, what makes Dilorenzo's body of work so powerful is that it is solidly rooted in documented facts. That from day one he was an unabashed Whig supporting a central bank, corporate welfare, and high protective tariffs alone proves he was a strong opponent of the liberals. That you say he was more in line with CL than Rothbard is just another in an endless series of laughable and ill-conceived statements that you make. The man was a white supremacist, who time and time again defended slave owners in their attempts to re-acquire run away slaves. He never once defended a slave. But why would he? It's well documented that he thought they were an inferior race, and he was even working to have them all deported to his dying day. He was a crony capitalist who worked on the behalf of the crony railroads. He bought up land in Council Bluffs IA only to later make that the starting point of the transcontinental railroad. And I hope don't have to again list the treason and tyranny he committed as president.

Lincoln was for a strong central government, the antithesis of classical liberal philosophy. That you don't get this either proves how willfully ignorant you are or something worse. I hope you are just kicking and screaming because it's too much of an emotional shock to you given what you've said of your family's connection to him. Hell, it was a shock to me in the beginning, but facts don't lie. Hooey to your empty statement that he takes things out of context. He very methodically does the opposite.

As for that book, here's the description:
Secession is no longer your ancestor’s concept. Demagogues with a yearning to carve the United States into fragments are at work today. Thomas J. DiLorenzo’s prolific work attacking the memory of Abraham Lincoln has made him the titular head of a modern I-hate-America separatist movement. Armed with a long and varied list of sources, this third of Dennis W. Brandt’s books launches a full-frontal assault on DiLorenzo’s lines and point by historical point dissects his Lincolnphobic falsehoods. Readable, factual, and provocative, Brandt conceived Shattering the Truth as a one-stop antidote to those whose path to destroying America begins with slandering Abraham Lincoln.

LO friggin L.
 
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this, Lincoln has been getting a bad rap by libertarians who fail to put things into their proper context. the real enemy of liberty is FDR: devaluing our money and locking up American citizens into concentration camps. a foreign policy of mass murder (Haiti) if J Edgar Hoover had an equivalent in the oval office it would be FDR
FDR just set the American Fascism he inherited from Lincoln into stone with nice definition. (note the Roman Fasces behind Lincoln in his memorial sometime. They're there for a reason)
 
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Lincoln also destroyed the Jeffersonian concept of a voluntary union where states were allowed to separate if they wish. This is what the seccesionists believed in and that's why they did what they did. They believed they had, correctly, an inherent right to self-determination i.e a right not to be part of the American Union.

Funnily enough this has been affirmed by the US government as it sits as a permanent member of the U.N Security council who believe in the right of self-determination. The US gov't fought a war defending secession when Kosovo threatened to secede from Yugoslavia and Milosevic invaded them. NATO bombed them for months, does anyone remember it?
 
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Now that Trav the troll has found this thread I expect it to end up 10+ pages. How long before he starts pasting constitutions of the era? :)

He hates Thomas Dilorenzo, one of Lewrockwell.com's most prolific contributors, best selling author and a professor of economics.

Please keep this on topic. This thread is to support Lewrockwell.com. A vital source on the internet that deeply troubles the powers that be. They have countless well funded publications. We don't. Lewrockwell.com survives on the good will of its readership and is having a huge impact. Many of the contributors and editors donate their time for free to make it what it is. Ron Paul reads it every day and that's good enough for me :-)
 
Lew is good people. He an anarchist, which seems to rub some people the wrong way. You know, all those pitchforks and fiery torches that they carry around.
 
Now that Trav the troll has found this thread I expect it to end up 10+ pages. How long before he starts pasting constitutions of the era? :)

He hates Thomas Dilorenzo, one of Lewrockwell.com's most prolific contributors, best selling author and a professor of economics.

Please keep this on topic. This thread is to support Lewrockwell.com. A vital source on the internet that deeply troubles the powers that be. They have countless well funded publications. We don't. Lewrockwell.com survives on the good will of its readership and is having a huge impact. Many of the contributors and editors donate their time for free to make it what it is. Ron Paul reads it every day and that's good enough for me :-)

This is how anarchists work and it is unethical. itshappening claims that I hate DiLorenzo. I don't even know DiLorenzo. I read his book, "The Real Lincoln", and I have been studying Lincoln for several decades, so I know DiLorenzo is lying about Lincoln just like itshappening is lying about me. I don't hate Thomas DiLorenzo. I hate the lie about others.
 
Listen Trav, what makes Dilorenzo's body of work so powerful is that it is solidly rooted in documented facts. That from day one he was an unabashed Whig supporting a central bank, corporate welfare, and high protective tariffs alone proves he was a strong opponent of the liberals. That you say he was more in line with CL than Rothbard is just another in an endless series of laughable and ill-conceived statements that you make. The man was a white supremacist, who time and time again defended slave owners in their attempts to re-acquire run away slaves. He never once defended a slave. But why would he? It's well documented that he thought they were an inferior race, and he was even working to have them all deported to his dying day. He was a crony capitalist who worked on the behalf of the crony railroads. He bought up land in Council Bluffs IA only to later make that the starting point of the transcontinental railroad. And I hope don't have to again list the treason and tyranny he committed as president.

Lincoln was for a strong central government, the antithesis of classical liberal philosophy. That you don't get this either proves how willfully ignorant you are or something worse. I hope you are just kicking and screaming because it's too much of an emotional shock to you given what you've said of your family's connection to him. Hell, it was a shock to me in the beginning, but facts don't lie. Hooey to your empty statement that he takes things out of context. He very methodically does the opposite.

As for that book, here's the description:


LO friggin L.

Lazy in history. DiLorenzo's work is not powerful. It is a shame to the Liberty movement. As time goes on they will purge him for his lack of ethics. His "Real" Lincoln is not anything like Abraham Lincoln. Only people who have not studied Lincoln believes the tales DiLorenzo tells.
 
I never read his book, but what did he get wrong about Lincoln? I'm curious.
DiLorenzo claimed that Lincoln couldn't care less about slavery, yet Lincoln abhorred slavery.
DiLorenzo claimed that Lincoln did not favor auditing the Illinois State Bank, but Lincoln wrote an amendment to audit the bank in 1835.
DiLorenzo claimed that Lincoln was responsible for "the centralized state that we labor under today." When in fact we labor under the international banker's "Federal Reserve System of 1913" of counterfeit money and debasement of currency
DiLorenzo claimed Lincoln is responsible for the evils of "Reconstruction" when in fact Lincoln vetoed the "Wade-Davis Bill" and was hated by the Republicans for it.
DiLorenzo claims that Lincoln is responsible for 800,000 dead Americans when the entire country was ready for war.
DiLorenzo claims that the South seceded for voluntary associaltions when in fact the South's own secession statements specifically state that they seceded in order to "preserve the blessings of African slavery." And the Confederate Constitution does not allow for secession.

The whole book is a distortion of the truth and makes the people in the liberty movement sound illiterate and lacking in knowledge of history.
 
Weak sauce.

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It is not weak sauce. For some reason, DiLorenzo wants you to focus on hating the state and hating Lincoln when you should be writing a thread a day to end the counterfeiting techniques of the Federal Reserve System to debase currency ... if you really want to enjoy liberty.

The Federal Reserve System is how the military industrial complex, the prison industrial complex, the medical industrial complex, and social security and welfare, corporate welfare, the war economy is funded, and on and on.
 

What do you know? Just a couple of day's ago you admitted you had not read the book. You don't know what you are talking about if you haven't read the book or Lincoln's speeches, letters, or legislation. Like I said earlier. The sheep in the liberty movement are looking like illiterate dummies. That is why people don't take them seriously. Lew Rockwell and Jeffery Tucker promoting DiLorenzo will only continue to discredit the liberty movement.

I wonder why LewRockwell.com is asking for donations to promote the deception of truth.
 
And Lincoln supported a national bank!

He would have loved the Fed. It would enable his big government agenda. He would have also loved the income tax.
 
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