Why didn't we get behind Gary Johnson?

While I do also lament that we didn't all support him just for the sake of a stronger showing for what the media perceives as "libertarianism", these threads really never get anywhere. It's been argued over and over again.
 
HigherVision said:
Sure it did. We could have had maybe two or three times more votes for a liberty candidate and have really made a splash. But instead Ron Paul supporters remained loyalists to the party that hates our guts.

Oh well, at least we'll maybe have Rand in 2016. Then we can finally get this war with Iran going.
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Libertarian Party is nice to have as a protest vote. But Ron Paul was there for that. The serious people are bringing the Liberty to the GOP.
 
HigherVision said:
I don't think it's that silly when you consider that in order to win with the LP we'd only need around 34% of the vote to win. Most conservatives will never vote for a libertarian, in or outside their party. Go talk to a few of them and see.



But why are so many Ron Paul supporters stuck on staying with the republican party now that the 2012 election is over and Ron isn't even in the party any more? It seems like a lot of Ron Paul supporters are more loyal to the GOP than Ron himself was. He did a good job of using it as a vehicle to get the message out, but now that that's over why stick around? The LP got more votes than it ever has in the last election. Why not build it up and let the dinosaur GOP die a slow painful death? Americans are going to thoroughly hate both major parties by the end of 2016 most likely. I think we have a real opportunity now to build the liberty movement up rather than let certain people water it down.
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Libertarians never win. Anything. Independents win sometimes. Libertarians, never.

The home of conservatives is in the GOP.
 
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parocks said:
Libertarian Party is nice to have as a protest vote. But Ron Paul was there for that. The serious people are bringing the Liberty to the GOP.
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Seriously. If we wanted to make that statement, then we made it in the GOP primaries, caucuses, and conventions. The establishment noticed us there. Whatever was to happen in the fall had no potential to add anything to that.

The people that really need to rethink things aren't the small-government Republicans who made the wrong choice about which meaningless vote to cast in the general election. It's the Libertarians who refused to get involved in the GOP to help Ron when they actually had a chance to make a difference in something and then complained when the Ron Paul supporters they didn't help when it really counted didn't help them when it didn't.
 
parocks said:
Libertarians never win. Anything. Independents win sometimes. Libertarians, never.

The home of conservatives is in the GOP.
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Exactly. If you're not down with this route, you really shouldn't be involved in electoral politics.
 
Was Gary even a serious candidate? I was sick of those stupid peace T-shirts he wore at virtually every appearance. Also as many of said his pro-government positions on abortion and gay marriage really didn't seem libertarian to me.
 
I didn't vote for Johnson because I had said, come hell or high water or even a blizzard in hell, I was going to vote for Ron Paul. NOBP!!!
 
gerryb1 said:
Exactly. If you're not down with this route, you really shouldn't be involved in electoral politics.
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You comment makes no sense at all, which makes me wonder if you are qualified to discuss politics at all, let alone pass judgment on others.

We were all for Ron Paul during the PRIMARY.

After he lost the primary, to "support the GOP" meant to go out and campaign for Mitt Romney, an atrociously bad candidate if you are libertarian or conservative.

The question was about why we didn't support Gary Johnson AFTER Ron was out of the race- at that point our choices were Obama, Romney, and Johnson (in Texas, at least- I know there were motley minor candidates in other states- but I doubt many of us was voting for the Prohibition Party or the Green Party). I guess I could have also cast an uncounted vote for Ron Paul, which would have been the height of folly.

So after Ron Paul lost the nomination, I DID NOT SUPPORT MITTENS.

I gave my support to Gary Johnson, as he was clearly the best remaining candidate.
 
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it is fine if that is what you wanted to do, but others didn't want to vote for Gary Johnson because they didn't like him as a candidate.

I wrote in Ron Paul.
 
JoshLowry said:
What's wrong with homosexual marriage? Leave people alone you dickbag.

Any more shitty posts like that and I'm axeing your stupid confederate account with your shit avatar.

(no homo)
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Ron didn't want to nationalize homosexual marriage, either.
 
Yep, I supported GJ in the general.

Btw, GJ is doing a GOOGLE HANGOUT today. Just heard it on Bloomberg.
 
nobody's_hero said:
Does the republican party know that?
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This is the kind of statement that causes me to shake my head. The Republican Party is comprised of whomever is in it. If good men and women sit on the sidelines and let the bad guys take it over, guess what? It's the same story with the "tea party". We get our panties in a bunch because someone else took what we started and really made it into something. WE DIDN'T. We just sat and let others run off with it. Yeah, we bitched, but that did nothing. If we wanted to keep it, or to take it back, all we had to do is get in there and get involved. We could have started setting up our own tea party events and inviting speakers, etc. But, WE DIDN'T.
 
LibertyEagle said:
This is the kind of statement that causes me to shake my head. The Republican Party is comprised of whomever is in it. If good men and women sit on the sidelines and let the bad guys take it over, guess what? It's the same story with the "tea party". We get our panties in a bunch because someone else took what we started and really made it into something. WE DIDN'T. We just sat and let others run off with it. Yeah, we bitched, but that did nothing. If we wanted to keep it, or to take it back, all we had to do is get in there and get involved. We could have started setting up our own tea party events and inviting speakers, etc. But, WE DIDN'T.
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Did WE have the big name sheeple propagandists (Hannity, Levin, Limbaugh) on our side, promoting the RON PAUL LIBERTARIAN aspect of the Tea Party? No, WE did not. The money usually wins in this corporatocracy, sadly.

The minute I attended a WSB Radio Tea Party event featuring Herman Cain, I knew the movement had been hijacked.
 
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wgadget said:
Did WE have the big name sheeple propagandists (Hannity, Levin, Limbaugh) on our side, promoting the RON PAUL LIBERTARIAN aspect of the Tea Party? No, WE did not. The money usually wins in this corporatocracy, sadly.

The minute I attended a WSB Radio Tea Party event featuring Herman Cain, I knew the movement had been hijacked.
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There are more of them than there are of us. Once the plan to hijack the TP was set in motion, it was impossible to stop.
 
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