Why aren't we all members of the Free State Project?

Notice I said "the best" thing they can do for their country. You then turned it around to make it seem like I'm somehow anti-activist, and "wish I had the courage" to go topless? Interesting logic, that.

There are a lot of things which are lovely and worthy. There are a lot of very important causes which need support and press. I had no idea the right to show breasts was the most pressing issue of our time. If you don't think it is, either, then you actually agree with what I was saying, but just feel you'd like to start a fight.

The thread title is "Why aren't we all members of the Free State Project?" which is a question, and it was asked of the Ron Paul Forums (now Liberty Forest) community, so yes, I was asked a question.

Am I not free to answer it? Your response, FTL_Ian, would seem to indicate that answers such as mine simply aren't up to your standards.

As for membership, I don't like it. I don't "sign up" for things, I just do them. I barely sign up for forums or anything of the like, and usually with fake names and addresses for good measure. I don't like being on lists, because when something happens "in the name of" the FSP that I don't agree with, my name is still associated with it. That really can happen with anything. I don't think I'm the only person on the entire forum who doesn't like putting their information out on lists and with groups, especially with what has happened with information like that in the past. In other words, I have my reasons.

Your entire criticism in the rather large central paragraph is that I don't feel like abandoning a career. Yes, I should move to NH and have no money. I forgot! We shouldn't believe in money! Are you joking? I worked very hard to be doing what I am doing, and there is no market for it in New Hampshire. The implication that, because I am not moving to a pocket where freedom will be EASIER TO OBTAIN (and that's the entire point, right?), I somehow care less about what happens... it's idiotic at best. Perhaps RonPaulHawaii should have just done his freedom ride through NH; it is obviously the only portion of the US that cares. No? He went across the entire country? Hmmm.

I prefer to work locally to achieve freedom. I don't prefer to just move to where people love freedom more than elsewhere, and the rest of the populace be damned. That's my own choice, and you can think it's stupid if you'd like, but perhaps I'm not the only one making that choice. Perhaps that's a reason why more people don't join the FSP or move to NH. That, then, is a possible partial answer to the OP, which is why I posted it.

I'm sure you don't believe in having a job or money, either, which is why you're typing from a computer with internet access. Those must have been free, too. Will I get one when I move to NH? No? Food? Shelter? I mean real shelter, please, not crashing on someone's couch. Will people continue working towards freedom and holding their local officials accountable in my area once I up and abandon those efforts? Why should they? They should all drop everything and move to NH!

I addressed your points, and I addressed the OP, and I don't really think there's more to say on it. Attack me some more if you'd like, but I don't think that's going to convince me to pull up stakes and abandon my current projects :)
 
There are a lot of things that the Free Staters do that I disagree with, but the point is-- most of New England is filled with Liberalism and New Hampshire provides a nice refuge for Small-government Conservatives and Libertarians. Obviously having a sucessful Libertarian/Conservative state in New England would do wonders for the movement. Never to mind the obvious New Hampshire primary which bascially decides who becomes the Republican nominee. I would have to ask you, Melissa, to read the first sentence of the OP:

If only a small portion of Ron Paul supporters signed up we could get this done.
 
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Melissa, I never said you were stupid, though reading comprehension doesn't seem to be one of your strengths. I said you should do what pleases you. If you think you can achieve freedom right where you are, you're welcome to keep trying. Maybe I'm wrong, and there will be a big liberty awakening wherever you are and you'll be able to say you told me so.

Or, maybe you'll never make progress. At least you'll have your career to comfort you.

I'm sure you don't believe in having a job or money, either, which is why you're typing from a computer with internet access. Those must have been free, too. Will I get one when I move to NH? No? Food? Shelter? I mean real shelter, please, not crashing on someone's couch.

You're sure, are you? How did you get so sure? I don't see any suggestions that I have a problem with money in my posts. As an entrepreneur, I haven't had a job in years, but that doesn't mean I don't have or appreciate money.

Attack me some more if you'd like, but I don't think that's going to convince me to pull up stakes and abandon my current projects

You misunderstand. You seem to be a bit of a prude, so I really don't want you to come to NH. (You certainly would not fit in here in Keene.) Please stay right where you are. My points were made primarily for the benefit of those reading this thread.

I want to recruit those who are fed up with toiling endlessly where they are for no return on their investment. I want to recruit those who are ready to try a new approach instead of the same old tactics. ;)
 
lol... prude. That's funny for a variety of reasons.

You still seem to have skipped the part where I don't think it's *THE BEST* way to secure liberty and justice for all, the part where I said I don't believe it's *THE MOST IMPORTANT* issue facing us right now.

Someone listed a "top ten" recently, and I don't recall the rights of women to show their nipples being on there.

I also never said you said I was stupid, so the reading comprehension issue is not on my end :) In fact, I said you can consider my rationale stupid if you'd like, which you obviously do, as is your right.

As an entrepreneur making enough money to survive comfortably, what if you were challenged to move to, say, Arizona, with no means to make money other than switching what you do entirely, perhaps to flipping burgers? Would it seem as easy? Why look down so scornfully on those who make another choice? I say again: I was answering the OP's question.

(Flash: The question, the thread topic, says "Why aren't we all members of the Free State Project?" despite what it says later on in the actual post.)

I want to recruit those who are fed up with toiling endlessly where they are for no return on their investment.

You're correct in thinking this isn't me :) I'm getting a nice return on my various investments. The only bad investment I made was staying married to someone who... let's just say he declined in value. Badly. Monetarily, though, I am doing well, and I am happily converting people to Dr. Paul's messages and those candidates I do believe in.

New Hampshire has been kind of hit and miss with its successes, and hopefully it becomes more and more steadily a place which stands for freedom and self-made prosperity. Just like Paulville and other such projects, I *personally* disagree with creating a pocket of like-minded individuals and the rest be damned.

At best, it simply makes it harder to spread the message to the populace (and, if the country's to change, more people need to learn)... at worst, it puts all the eggs in one basket, which makes it very convenient for the Government to deal with "the problem".

And... once more... lol prude. I guess in reality the fact I prefer a bra on myself might make me a prude to some. In 10 years when gravity would start to set in, I think people would be glad I cared about support ;) I think that, while the Constitution is being ridden-over roughshod, it really doesn't matter who's going topless. I don't see why this makes me a prude. I think it means I have priorities, and they don't happen to jive with one activist's. If you've read the post regarding her actions, you'll see some FSP members agreeing with me. You'll also see some worried about "image" which isn't my gripe.

Anyhow, best of luck to you and yours. I don't see how I could monetarily make the move, and I don't see why I should, so I'm not. It has nothing to do with me being a "prude" or anything along those lines. My days of hedonism are far from over.

Love ya!
~M
 
Melissa, congrats on converting people to Dr. Paul's message from where you are as we need all the help we can get in the Revolution movement, keep up the good work. I'm also glad to hear you're doing well in your personal situation. But, I have to agree with Ian in regards to why converging liberty lovers to one state is the freshest new concept in obtaining liberty in our lifetimes. It can not be said that we want the rest of the country to be damned considering that NH practically anoints the Prez contenders. The more help we get up here from new movers, the better showing we can have for a Paul-type candidate in 2012. Success in NH will be the shot heard around the world.
 
I posted some links on the original post which I'll also post below. If you are interested in following the progress that this small number of early movers are having, these are great places to start.

Even with less than 1,000 people that have moved, this group has the most active members of the liberty movement. Every week they are making waves and doing excellent work in the pursuit of liberty.

http://www.freestateproject.org
http://www.freetalklive.com
http://freekeene.com/
http://nhfree.com/
http://ridleyreport.com/
http://obscuredtruth.com
http://www.nhliberty.org/
http://www.freemindsmedia.com/
 
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I'm a free stater who moved to NH and doesn't agree that women should be able to go around topless. Perhaps FTL_Ian thinks I should go back to where I came from? ;)
 
Porcupine, I'd be shocked if Ian thought that. Ian works wills lots of people he doesn't agree with about everything. It seems that no two free staters agree on every single issue. Yet the majority of us get along fine with not only other free staters, but many of the other people in the much larger NH pro-freedom community.

Anyway, as to the OP, the FSP just had a money bomb and it went very well. Great work everyone and thank you for giving. Of course, if you didn't give as part of the money bomb, you can still give :)
 
Men (usually) don't have boobs. Girls (usually) don't have dicks. I learned this in third grade, what were you up to during this lesson?

I guess it comes down to personal values. Some people feel morals passed down through a religion or schooling system should be accepted as universal and set in stone. I think if somebody has the urge to walk around naked, let them be. If people aren't causing harm to anyone else that's enough for me. Complete freedom is definetely an unfortunate minority thought.
 
Men (usually) don't have boobs. Girls (usually) don't have dicks. I learned this in third grade, what were you up to during this lesson?


Seems to me that both men and women have nipples. Considering that is the area that is typically covered by clothing such as bikinis, that would seem to be the most "offensive" part.

So, by saying what you did, are you suggesting that flat-chested women should be allowed to go topless, but that men and women with breasts should be prevented from revealing them?

Please explain your position a little better. I'm doing my best to understand it.
 
I would hope everyone in NH gets in a rear end collision and The NH Live Free or Die license plate gets embedded in their forehead

But besides that IT IS COLD AS #%$@
 
But besides that IT IS COLD AS #%$@
I live in a heated house so it's not much of a problem for me. The lower taxes and more freedoms more than makes up for that. Plus, there's so many cool activists that you get to meet.
 
Are they any good New Hampshire secessionist boards out there? I know about NHunderground but their secession forum really isn't active. I honestly think splitting from America is the only way to save our liberties from this monster government.
 
Are they any good New Hampshire secessionist boards out there? I know about NHunderground but their secession forum really isn't active. I honestly think splitting from America is the only way to save our liberties from this monster government.

Not secession specific, but the Free Keene forum has a sovereignty section and lots of secession-friendly participants.
 
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