Why aren't we all members of the Free State Project?

[Jeremy]

Some of you need to stop "requesting" other states. They spent a great deal of time deciding on and voting on which state it will be and New Hampshire won for the right reasons.

If anyone else wants to start a ca. group, I think it can be done.

CA would be one of the wort states to do this in.................. wow....

 

[erika]

Some of you need to stop "requesting" other states. They spent a great deal of time deciding on and voting on which state it will be and New Hampshire won for the right reasons.



CA would be one of the wort states to do this in.................. wow....

I never got to vote.

I think you're wrong about ca. There is a lot of activism here that could be put in a better direction.

 

[parke]

Only in the summer. DC for me.

Sounds like that would be the best place for freedom loving people to go to...

 

[Jeremy]

I never got to vote.

I think you're wrong about ca. There is a lot of activism here that could be put in a better direction.

You already live there? That would explain why you mentioned it then, hm? :o The point of the Free State Project is to move with tons of other people to the chosen state. That state is NH. I don't understand what you mean when you asked for some group to join. I'm sure you can join a CFL group there, but.... there's not a free state project in every state.... it's NH, and that's it!

CA is also one of the worse states and was probably not even nominated for the vote (I wasn't around back then either). What you have there is increasing government and you can't get anything done in such a huge area. I find it hard to believe that you consider it one of the best whileI consider it one of the worse. But hey, my state is horrible too. The only good thing about it is that it's small... but that's not near enough (CT).

 

[porcupine]

I never got to vote.

I think you're wrong about ca. There is a lot of activism here that could be put in a better direction.

If you've lived in California for awhile, you might not realize how truly unfree you are in California.

I don't want to move to a cold climate state and be around east coasters(for many reasons).

May your chains rest lightly upon you. A person who wouldn't trade a bit of cold for more freedom isn't the type of person that is moving anyway.

If anyone else wants to start a ca. group, I think it can be done.

Once again, there are already plenty of groups working for liberty in California, the Libertarian party not the least of them. Their effect has been almost nil. It will continue to be worthless...but feel free to try to pour your heart into doing the same thing and expecting different results.


Look, you're saying "hey, let's start a group like this where I do the least amount of effort and everyone ELSE moves to where I am." WE on the other hand have moved from our own homes and made the sacrifices to move to the state where are efforts can actually mean something. If you aren't willing to move to a freer state where 600+ liberty activists have already migrated to, what makes you think others will migrate to a less free state where their efforts will be less effective and they'll be drowned out by CA's massive population?

 

[erika]

You already live there? That would explain why you mentioned it then, hm? :o The point of the Free State Project is to move with tons of other people to the chosen state. That state is NH. I don't understand what you mean when you asked for some group to join. I'm sure you can join a CFL group there, but.... there's not a free state project in every state.... it's NH, and that's it!

CA is also one of the worse states and was probably not even nominated for the vote (I wasn't around back then either). What you have there is increasing government and you can't get anything done in such a huge area. I find it hard to believe that you consider it one of the best whileI consider it one of the worse. But hey, my state is horrible too. The only good thing about it is that it's small... but that's not near enough (CT).

I think every state should have something like this, not just NH.

That was my point.

 

[porcupine]

You already live there? That would explain why you mentioned it then, hm? :o The point of the Free State Project is to move with tons of other people to the chosen state.

Yeah, people always suggest their own states because it wouldn't require them to put any effort forward or move outside their comfort zones. I don't really have time for such people.

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands, which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." – Sam Adams

 

[porcupine]

I think every state should have something like this, not just NH.

That was my point.

They already do. It's the libertarian party.

Perhaps you don't understand the idea of CONCENTRATING liberty activism. By definition, you can't have that in every state.

 

[erika]

They already do. It's the libertarian party.

Perhaps you don't understand the idea of CONCENTRATING liberty activism. By definition, you can't have that in every state.

That's not what I meant. The libertarian party will never be a success out here with the border issue.

Perhaps YOU don't understand the idea that not everyone wants to live in your shithole bad weather of a state.

 

[Micah Dardar]

That's not what I meant. The libertarian party will never be a success out here with the border issue.

Perhaps YOU don't understand the idea that not everyone wants to live in your shithole bad weather of a state.

Forest fires? Snow? Earthquakes? Hurricanes? Tornadoes? I guess that "shithole" is relative to what you are used to.

 

[erika]

Forest fires? Snow? Earthquakes? Hurricanes? Tornadoes? I guess that "shithole" is relative to what you are used to.

All rarities and not a common thing. I would imagine that NH has Forest fires, Snow, hurricane effect, and massive cold storms.

We don't have tornados. A funnel cloud here and there, nothing big time. Very rare.

Earthquakes only if you're in a bad area with a nasty fault line. I'm not.

A lot of ugly people on the east coast too. I'll pass.

 

[spacehabitats]

Why don't we all?

Well, for one thing, I have children that I would like to see grow up in a country that still has some semblance of liberty.

To do that most of the people with some clue about what's going on have to stay dispersed throughout the nation and convert/educate more citizens.

We need to be a "light unto the world".

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

That's not what I meant. The libertarian party will never be a success out here with the border issue.

Perhaps YOU don't understand the idea that not everyone wants to live in your shithole bad weather of a state.

Well, there are many pro-Borders LP members. I know Bob Barr is anti-illegal immigration.

 

[Leroy_Jenkems]

A lot of ugly people on the east coast too. I'll pass.

I'm sure your at least half-kidding. Whether people up there are ugly or not, a petty and shallow thing such as vanity shouldn't be the litmus test of seeking a place to live in more liberty.

One thing I would argue with you against setting up such a project in CA - the demographics of CA (SoCal especially) are rapidly changing, are they not? Do the majority of these people shun government aid, benefits, programs, etc?

You can be damn sure that in a state like CA where taxes on the state level for various absurdities are MUCH higher than states like NH, WY, MT, or ID, if you set up a concentration of people who will resist the remittance of these taxes to the state, the state will be coming after you a lot faster than one with lower taxes. They'll miss that tax money a lot more sorely than the states which don't have as big of an operating budget.

Just be ready to go Rambo in the redwoods.

 

[porcupine]

The libertarian party will never be a success out here

Bingo!!!!!!!!!!

Perhaps YOU don't understand the idea that not everyone wants to live in your shithole bad weather of a state.

Well, as I said, may your chains rest lightly upon you. It was a lot colder at Valley Forge. Liberty is worth it.

 

[porcupine]

Well, for one thing, I have children that I would like to see grow up in a country that still has some semblance of liberty.

To do that most of the people with some clue about what's going on have to stay dispersed throughout the nation and convert/educate more citizens.

We need to be a "light unto the world".

Good luck with that! Hope all your hard work pays off for you in a better way than it has for others in the last 30-50 years who got nothing in return.

The definition of insanity...

OH! And here's another reason to leave California: REAL ID IS NOW LAW IN CA. Enjoy the weather.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Good luck with that! Hope all your hard work pays off for you in a better way than it has for others in the last 30-50 years who got nothing in return.

The definition of insanity...

OH! And here's another reason to leave California: REAL ID IS NOW LAW IN CA. Enjoy the weather.

I have a real id. It's called a driver's license

lol

 

[FSP-Rebel]

I think every state should have something like this, not just NH.

That was my point.

I understand where you're coming from on the whole weather deal and I'm sure if the cards were stacked in favor of a warmer state that it would've been chosen. Unfortunately right off the bat, warmer states have higher levels of crime--and CA's gun control doesn't help its cause.

Every state should be Free, but that's not possible at this time. NH was chosen for many reasons and would be the easiest to achieve "Liberty in our Lifetime" which is the FSP motto. From there, we can show the rest of the country, and maybe the world, that liberty can work. The one thing that us liberty lovers can't mess with is a state that is thoroughly populated with statists. Sorry, but CA doesn't have a streak of libertarianism or traditional conservatism.

My advice to those who aren't fans of the FSP (for whatever reason) or are fence-sitters is to sign the statement of intent on the FSP website and then relax and watch the effects that the Project is having on NH. It doesn't cost anyone anything to signup nor is anyone going to hunt you or yours down to make you fulfill your future obligation. Once the FSP is in 4th gear and achieves 20,000 signers (though a re-assessment of the numbers, based on the current activism rate, has signified that only 2000-3000 movers is necessary for real change) there is a 5-yr window in which folks have the time to make the move. The bottom-line here is, if you knew ~20,000 other pro-liberty folks were moving to NH for freedom and you can tangibly view that freedom, why would you not want to move and enjoy the freedom with your loved ones. My view on freedom is that I owe it to posterity as a moral duty (everyone has there own reasons) and so I plan to be an early mover (this next spring once I graduate college) to help facilitate the freedom atmosphere and consequentially promote it to the rest of the yearning souls that desire it.

If nothing else, take a vacation to NH and see what it's all about. If you do, make sure to mention your trip on forum.freestateproject.org
and folks will meet you for drinks and/or whatever. If you meet these activists and decide that what they offer isn't what you're looking for, then freedom is not your thing--so to speak...

Again, if you're interested enough to sign up, do so this week as the hosts from Free Talk Live are donating $10 for each FSP signup to the St. Jude's Children Fund. Let's help unfortunate children while finalizing the FSP. See you in the Free State

 

[FSP-Rebel]

And just as a side note, 147/161 pro-liberty candidates made it through their primaries this last tuesday in NH. Does your state have that good of a casualty rate? Instead of the Prez election, pay attention to how many of those NH candidates get elected and then ask yourself if you really want freedom.

 

[porcupine]

I have a real id. It's called a driver's license

lol

I don't. I live in New Hampshire.