Why aren't we all members of the Free State Project?

[Libertarian Ideals]

I am very sick of threads about the FSP. They tried, didn't IMHO pick the right state and thus have failed. I am in Washington, in which RP came in third with over 20% of the primary vote. This (although also not a very good state) would be a much better bet.

The concept of the Free State Project is the easier part in my opinion. Investing the necessary time and energy to get a project like this off the ground is the hard part.

Like other's have said here, I welcome all Free State Projects (FreeStateWyoming, FreeWestAlliance) but these have failed mainly because the founders of these projects wanted people to come to their state. There was no state vote like the FSP had. They also were not as motivated or serious about their project as the FSP is about. (Trivia: All the FSP leadership are from out-of-state.)

The FSP could probably work in more states than NH, but NH was chosen and until a better more motivated project comes along, New Hampshire it will be.

I left Washington State to head to New Hampshire a week ago for these reasons and I'm glad I did.

Personally, I didn't move here because I loved the state's climate. I didn't move here because I thought the project was going to get 20,000 members. I moved here because lots of other committed activists have and are moving here & I think we can help each other stay activists by giving each other support when we need it.

 

[porcupine]

The fact that Washington State gave 20% to Ron Paul and is such a statist place shows how bad of a metric that is. I say that even though NH gave Ron Paul his 3rd best primary, I still don't think it's indicative of how free the state is because there are so many other factors (like how many candidates there were or who spent how much money).

New Hampshire is definitely one of America's freest states and its size makes it very amenable to activism.

 

[Josh_LA]

You wouldn't get along with us anyway, Josh. We're doers not debaters.

I probably won't, but whatever.

 

[Josh_LA]

(like how many candidates there were or who spent how much money).

Indeed, but the fact is if a state can be chosen based on money, this state can be bought by any party. And I'm not saying that's bad, I'd rather know what a state CAN be predicted by.

 

[porcupine]

Indeed, but the fact is if a state can be chosen based on money, this state can be bought by any party. And I'm not saying that's bad, I'd rather know what a state CAN be predicted by.

All the research, discussion and voting that went into choosing New Hampshire as the free state are archived on our website. That will cover the scores of predictors that were used.

 

[Josh_LA]

All the research, discussion and voting that went into choosing New Hampshire as the free state are archived on our website. That will cover the scores of predictors that were used.

Sorry, I think we're talking about a different point.

I have no criticism for the FSP, I think it's good people are starting somewhere.

I was trying to say that the fact John McCain & others won more votes than Ron Paul (legit or not) means that the whole of NH voters might not be as freedom loving as many think. But there's nothing wrong with that, and NH is much freer than most other states in other respects.

Indeed, it's not fair to judge how free a state is based on election results.

 

[FTL_Ian]

Moving as part of the FSP is not a "sacrifice". Sure, it costs money, but it's an investment in the future of liberty, not a sacrifice.

 

[Libertarian Ideals]

Moving as part of the FSP is not a "sacrifice". Sure, it costs money, but it's an investment in the future of liberty, not a sacrifice.

I agree. Thanks for correcting me.

 

[porcupine]

Moving as part of the FSP is not a "sacrifice". Sure, it costs money, but it's an investment in the future of liberty, not a sacrifice.

I thought it was a sacrifice until I actually got here and realized what I was missing.

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

sounds like a ton of fun, why can't we have a fsp in ALL states though? Take one city at a time, get our people into all local positions and expand from all corners of the states?

 

[FTL_Ian]

sounds like a ton of fun, why can't we have a fsp in ALL states though? Take one city at a time, get our people into all local positions and expand from all corners of the states?

Try it and you'll figure out why it doesn't work.

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

Try it and you'll figure out why it doesn't work.

um can't I just ask the question and get an answer as to why it doesn't work instead of wasting my time on what I assume you are trying to say is a worthless effort....

kind of a pointless answer don't you think...


Hey why is it bad to drink poison - asks the kid

try it first and then you will find out why - says the adult full well knowing it killed others who TRIED it.

 

[porcupine]

sounds like a ton of fun, why can't we have a fsp in ALL states though? Take one city at a time, get our people into all local positions and expand from all corners of the states?

Ummm...we do. It's called the libertarian party. The FSP is about CONCENTRATING liberty activism in one place....by definition, you can't do that in every state, or else you get exactly what you have now, which is failure.


Go and read about the idea of the FSP and what the FSP is. You'll then see that the answer to your question is glaringly obvious.

*edit*

Why do people keep saying this? It seems half the people spouting off about the FSP have no clue what it even is.

 

[FTL_Ian]

um can't I just ask the question and get an answer as to why it doesn't work instead of wasting my time on what I assume you are trying to say is a worthless effort....

kind of a pointless answer don't you think...


Hey why is it bad to drink poison - asks the kid

try it first and then you will find out why - says the adult full well knowing it killed others who TRIED it.

Sorry, I thought you were trolling as it seems the question was answered earlier in the thread.

One of the reasons the Free State Project exists is because "getting together" in your local area is precisely what has failed over the past few decades. Most people in your area even if they are interested in liberty are just not doers. They want other people to do the work for them. The doers are few and far between so the Free State Project is concentrating the doers in one geographical area.

Do you want to be where the doers are, or where everyone else is?

 

[Josh_LA]

um can't I just ask the question and get an answer as to why it doesn't work instead of wasting my time on what I assume you are trying to say is a worthless effort....

kind of a pointless answer don't you think...


Hey why is it bad to drink poison - asks the kid

try it first and then you will find out why - says the adult full well knowing it killed others who TRIED it.

No, just try it. Maybe you can prove him wrong, why not? It's good to believe in something!

 

[porcupine]

I thought this video was worth watching: Can 20K make a difference ?

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

Sorry, I thought you were trolling as it seems the question was answered earlier in the thread.

One of the reasons the Free State Project exists is because "getting together" in your local area is precisely what has failed over the past few decades. Most people in your area even if they are interested in liberty are just not doers. They want other people to do the work for them. The doers are few and far between so the Free State Project is concentrating the doers in one geographical area.

Do you want to be where the doers are, or where everyone else is?

Yes I built up a few thousand posts in hopes of trolling a fsp thread, you foiled our plan, damn you lol....

I will check it out but I can see what MASS unity can do indeed. I see the point in putting all of those serious enough together so real action can happen.

 

[conqst3]

I spent a few years traveling the country to find a place to live with more freedom, and less taxes. New Hampshire ended up being my first choice. While doing more research on New Hampshire, I found out about the FSP. It was through the FSP that I found Ron Paul, which got me involved in politics, something I had no interest in what so ever. It was through the Revolution, that I found out I was not alone. But now that the primaries are over I feel alone once again. The only hope I see is moving to New Hampshire.
If you have any doubts, go to porcfest, The best way I can descibe it...... it's like going in a time machine, and sitting under the liberty tree.
It beats sitting in your current place bitching about things through your computer. What other option is there?
People are dumb, all they care about is American idol, your not going to change that, your in the minority and looked at as a nutjob. In New hampshire, you can be around like minded people who are actually doing something and making a difference.
If you go to the FSP forum, it seems dead, but if you look into the FSP more, it's hard too keep up with all that's going on at a state, and local level. They're really inspiring people to be around. I visit these forums daily, but that's not going to get me more freedom. Moving to NH is the only option I see.
No Revolution is going to be won without the support of a state, and NH could be an easy win if people get away from their computers, and do something. The soap box stoped working years ago. It's Time to move to the ballot box.

 

[rayzer]

If only a small portion of Ron Paul supporters signed up we could get this done. Wouldn't you want to move if 20,000 other liberty activists were going to be there? Sadly it is looking like the federal government is beyond repair and I think concentrating our efforts in one state would have a much higher chance of success.


http://www.freestateproject.org

This is a REALLY good question!

 

[porcupine]

i spent a few years traveling the country to find a place to live with more freedom, and less taxes. New hampshire ended up being my first choice. While doing more research on new hampshire, i found out about the fsp. It was through the fsp that i found ron paul, which got me involved in politics, something i had no interest in what so ever. It was through the revolution, that i found out i was not alone. But now that the primaries are over i feel alone once again. The only hope i see is moving to new hampshire.
If you have any doubts, go to porcfest, the best way i can descibe it...... It's like going in a time machine, and sitting under the liberty tree.
It beats sitting in your current place bitching about things through your computer. What other option is there?
People are dumb, all they care about is american idol, your not going to change that, your in the minority and looked at as a nutjob. In new hampshire, you can be around like minded people who are actually doing something and making a difference.
If you go to the fsp forum, it seems dead, but if you look into the fsp more, it's hard too keep up with all that's going on at a state, and local level. They're really inspiring people to be around. I visit these forums daily, but that's not going to get me more freedom. Moving to nh is the only option i see.
No revolution is going to be won without the support of a state, and nh could be an easy win if people get away from their computers, and do something. The soap box stoped working years ago. It's time to move to the ballot box.

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