Why aren't I panicking?

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I'm hearing all this bad news about the dollar falling drastically against foreign currencies. But...the stuff I usually buy every week is definitely not going up in price more than a couple of cents now and then. Why aren't I panicking?

Also, what are the causes of hyperinflation, and why didn't it happen in the 70's, and why isn't it happening now? Do you think it is going to happen?
 
The real problem that we face now (IMO) isn't the debt and inflation by itself. It's this in combination with the current geo-political settings, and the financial institutions' really bad positions in the debt markets.

I don't know how much you know about these things. Basically, there's a LOT (several times over the entire world GDP) of multiple-leveraged debt that is packaged up and turned into little bond certificates that are then sold to wall street and hedge fund investors as a way of making profits. The returns on some of these packages were really good in the past, and the risk, while real, wasn't too bad. Basically, the investors are paid to assume the risk of a default on the underlying debts.

Unfortunately, all of this was built on a big debt bubble. Similar to the dotcom bubble of the late 90s, this debt bubble is destined to burst. It's begun to burst already, but the government and the Fed is trying desperately to stop it by injecting money into the system. Unfortunately, the market is trying desperately to continue to inflate it at the same time by selling more superfluous things to already-indebted consumers.

So what is happening is: the bubble's been getting bigger and bigger while the burst has been postponed, but it remains inevitable. Now that it's beginning in earnest---the housing defaults, auto loan defaults, "credit crunch", and massive banking and financial markdowns---it's going to be REALLY big and painful.

All those debt arrangements within wall street are mysterious. No one really understands even their modeled values, let alone their market values---not the originators nor the investors---nor does anyone even know who owns what. The debt has been used to purchase other debt and so on and so forth until each little bit is owned to some degree by the entire market... including even your 401Ks. Imagine a giant knot or spider's web where everything is connected somehow to this bad debt. Now that they're beginning to unravel, it's setting off a chain reaction throughout the entire financial system.

And the investors don't know how to get out of the trap. The funds aren't liquid, and no one wants to touch them for a trade. What's more, when people do get their debt packages valued on the market, "marked to market", they're finding them selling at 10 cents on the dollar in some cases, which means a loss of 90%. That's bad.

The debt problem is spreading, and not slowing. It's a natural phenomena: a market correction. This one just happens to have catastrophic potential... not like previous "recessions".

This brings us to inflation. Coupled with the vast national debt financing, the Fed has two choices in a real catastrophe. They can either let the market fall into deflation (where paper cash will be valuable), or they can hyper-inflate, or print loads of money to keep things going as long as possible (where gold will be valuable). Bernanke is referred to as "Helicopter Ben" because his academic writings on the Great Depression indicate that he'd prefer to inflate in that situation.

Finally, the geo-political aspect can't be overlooked. An analogy:

Our economy operates as if we're a family with a giant credit card, and the world is our bank. For a long time, the world has paid down our balance for us, mainly because we were its biggest credit card client, and it didn't want to lose us, thinking that we'd help their business in the long run. We have helped their business, by allowing them to expand their own economic productive infrastructures based on our purchases. Now things are different. The world has many other clients, and is self-sufficient in nearly everything, including consumption. It doesn't want to pay our bill anymore, doesn't see any continued benefit to doing so, and has given us notice that it soon no longer will (decoupling from dollar in many countries, for instance).

In the process of having the free credit, we've forgotten what it's like to work for our money. We have allowed most of our productive, manufacturing base to fall into disrepair or to go to other countries. Essentially, we've become dependent on the credit card to live, as we haven't bothered to hold onto a good job. Now that the credit is going away, we'll have a long adjustment period before we can rebuild our own productive base and "find another job".

It's all of that put together that's worrisome. On a positive note, the massive numbers of fat people in this country may be put on an EXCELLENT diet plan very soon... :)
 
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But...the stuff I usually buy every week is definitely not going up in price more than a couple of cents now and then. Why aren't I panicking?

Also, what are the causes of hyperinflation, and why didn't it happen in the 70's, and why isn't it happening now? Do you think it is going to happen?

Unless your not buying food, filling your tank with gas, paying health insurance premiums, living in a house, paying tuition, or paying property taxes I'm not sure that's a true statement. Any objective measure shows this.

Also, what are the causes of hyperinflation, and why didn't it happen in the 70's, and why isn't it happening now? Do you think it is going to happen?

Inflation is very high now. In the 70s we didn't get hyperinflation, but we did have double digit inflation. People who kept money in bonds or savings accounts lost a lot of purchasing power.

I think it is a lot more likely to happen now because the imbalances are larger. In the 70s we had inflation to pay for the Vietnam war and the War on Poverty. This was largely a government problem. Today we have the same government deficit problem, but we also have a massive private market deficit problem. Lastly, the trump card is that baby boomers are retiring.
 
I'm hearing all this bad news about the dollar falling drastically against foreign currencies. But...the stuff I usually buy every week is definitely not going up in price more than a couple of cents now and then. Why aren't I panicking?

Perhaps because you're not being as observant as you think you are.

If a $1.00 carton of eggs goes up "a few cents now and then", it could easily be $1.12 after a year. That's 12% inflation.


Also, what are the causes of hyperinflation, and why didn't it happen in the 70's, and why isn't it happening now? Do you think it is going to happen?

Most US dollars in existence are held by foreign investors, out of the country. As the dollar declines in value, the first places to feel those declines are the foreign investors. It takes a while for import prices to go up, for Americans to notice the effects, and for prices inside the country to respond. Also, as interest rates continue to decline, the net return on holding dollars has become negative.

So all investors holding are faced with a choice. Either hold the dollars and accept a loss, or exchange them for something else. Because dollar weakness is felt by foreign investors first, they will be the first ones to react. Buying some other currency is one option. But if an investor buys yen, let's say, then the seller of the yen is now holding those same dollars, and faces the same choices. Another option is to spend the dollars inside the US -- for two reasons: prices inside the US will tend to be cheaper than outside while the dollar is declining. The stock market has been a popular destination, but now we're in a bear market... Another option is to buy American assets, like whole companies, real estate, skyscrapers, etc.

It's that last option that is the most likely path to hyperinflation. As more and more holders of dollars outside the country decide to spend their holdings in the US, that money will flood back into the economy. With more money in domestic circulation, chasing domestic products, prices will respond accordingly -- that's inflation. And if the rate at which that money comes back into the economy accelerates beyond a certain threshold, it turns into hyperinflation. The situation can be further aggravated by the Fed.

Something like this didn't happen in the 1970's because the economic situation was very different. That was "just" stagflation -- an inflationary recession -- and the strength of the dollar was eventually restored with high interest rates. That solution has been deemed not viable today, because the banking system is in such a fragile state.

Do I think it's going to happen? Personally, yes, I do. I just don't see any other way for the country to get out from under its current problems, especially given the current political climate.
 
Thanks for the replies. That makes a bit more sense now I think...the outflow of inflated dollars all these years as we were engaging in consumption is why our own domestic prices haven't gone up much---but once people start dumping their dollars and buying stuff within the US, all of a sudden that huge amount of money we spent out of the US is going to pour back in, potentially causing hyperinflation? Wow. Maybe I SHOULD buy some gold soon...only I don't have very much money.
 
I'm hearing all this bad news about the dollar falling drastically against foreign currencies. But...the stuff I usually buy every week is definitely not going up in price more than a couple of cents now and then. Why aren't I panicking?

Also, what are the causes of hyperinflation, and why didn't it happen in the 70's, and why isn't it happening now? Do you think it is going to happen?

Wait until AFTER the elections - THEN we panic! :D
 
Thanks for the replies. That makes a bit more sense now I think...the outflow of inflated dollars all these years as we were engaging in consumption is why our own domestic prices haven't gone up much---but once people start dumping their dollars and buying stuff within the US, all of a sudden that huge amount of money we spent out of the US is going to pour back in, potentially causing hyperinflation? Wow. Maybe I SHOULD buy some gold soon...only I don't have very much money.

I wouldn't worry about gold so much if you don't have much money. I'd get some silver in small denominations if I were you. 90% Silver Half Dollars, Quarters, and Dimes, Silver American Eagles and Canadian Maple Leaves (1 oz pure silver coins)

www.apmex.com
www.bulliondirect.com

or check your local coin dealers.

Do your research and make sure you are paying fair market prices. Local dealers especially will try to charge you much more than fair.
 
I bought some Cheddar Cheese soup last week and it was $1.29 a can, now this week it is $1.49 a can. Was that inflation or just the price going up? :rolleyes:
 
Just be careful with panicking and buying gold or silver. These are still disgretionary commodities and do not trade like currencies. They trade like any other commodity and the price is still set mostly by world demand. If the economy tanks the demand for these items will fall and the precious metal prices will fall.

They are a good long-term store of value as any other commodity would be, but they can get hammered in a bad market just like anything else.
 
Just be careful with panicking and buying gold or silver. These are still disgretionary commodities and do not trade like currencies. They trade like any other commodity and the price is still set mostly by world demand. If the economy tanks the demand for these items will fall and the precious metal prices will fall.

They are a good long-term store of value as any other commodity would be, but they can get hammered in a bad market just like anything else.

True, but everyone should have some in light of our fiat currency issues.

I moved my retirement accounts overseas 5 years ago and keep them denominated in Swiss francs. Do I feel safer because of this? You better believe it.

Swiss annuities are one of the safest investments you can have.
 
True, but everyone should have some in light of our fiat currency issues.

I moved my retirement accounts overseas 5 years ago and keep them denominated in Swiss francs. Do I feel safer because of this? You better believe it.

Swiss annuities are one of the safest investments you can have.

That was very wise of you. Does one need to go overseas or have a passport to open accounts in Swiss Francs like yours?
 
Take a look at today's news,

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20080220/D8UU3DDO0.html

Prices are going up while the dollar continues to fall.

We just are not seeing quick big increases yet, like China is seeing right now.

I suspect before long, people will notice the price increases and finally start waking up and start to scream.

It is costing more to buy less at the grocery store. Add in high gas prices, increased health care cost, and they will be feeling the pinch.

By the time they wake up, the problem is, there will be no easy cure.
 
Just be careful with panicking and buying gold or silver. These are still disgretionary commodities and do not trade like currencies. They trade like any other commodity and the price is still set mostly by world demand. If the economy tanks the demand for these items will fall and the precious metal prices will fall.

They are a good long-term store of value as any other commodity would be, but they can get hammered in a bad market just like anything else.

if the economy tanks, the demand will fall.

But the demand of dollars will fall even harder.
 
There is always inflation, due to the federal reserve constantly increasing the money supply. But we export that inflation, because other countries hold our dollars and don't send them back into our economy. Also, technology improves the efficiency and reduces tho manufacturing and distribution of goods, which also holds back on price increases. (The cost savings from technology counteracts the price increase through inflation).

But a lot of things are going up in price, every year. Education, health care, energy, and not counting the last year, housing costs. Yeah the price of bread may be the same as last year, but a lot of things go up, and stay up year after year, decade after decade.
 
That was very wise of you. Does one need to go overseas or have a passport to open accounts in Swiss Francs like yours?

No, you only have to go to Switzerland if you want to open a bank account. You can open an annuity via mail.

See:

http://www.nmg-ifs.com

http://www.swissannuities.com

They're completely tax free, protected from seizure by bankruptcy, divorce, or any other legal proceedings. Virtually bullet-proof.

Also, no Swiss insurance company has ever failed due to bankruptcy or failed to make a payment since they started these programs over 140 years - that includes during World War 1 & 2!!!
 
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