"Why are you here?"

pessimist

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No, I'm not asking the existential question: "why are we here"?. Why are we here anyway? "Because our parents had sex, you idiot".

Okay, I digress. What was I talking about? Oh yeah, why are you here on this forum?

I would have to assume that many of the long standing members here were activists who were apart of that organic grassroots movement that rallied around Ron Paul, correct? But why did you continue to stay on this forum?

What about the newer members- why are you here? Why do people seek out forums in the first place? In my observation, I think many can be categorized into groups.

Group A- The Introvert/High IQ/Anxious types. Since introverts derive their energy internally; they are drained by external stimuli. Physical social interaction sucks the energy right out of them. However, they require mental stimulation, and since humans are social animals many introverts seek out forums where they can find the stimulation they require without having to deal with actual physical interaction. Introversion doesn't equate to social awkwardness. Many introverts just PREFER to get their mental stimulation online where they feel the most comfortable.

Extroverts derive their energy externally; physical interaction is fuel for them. However, many extroverts don't feel as comfortable arguing or debating online, especially if they have social anxiety. So I would have to assume that most of the vocal members on forums are introverts. I assume most extroverts use social media.

Group B- Lurkers *waves*. These are types that for whatever reason don't participate- they make up the majority on forums. Why are they here? I don't know. You'll have to ask them.

Group C- Pseudo-intellectuals (they usually have sock puppets to argue with), trolls, bots, spammers, etc. Trolls are hard to categorize; some are sociopaths, some are just bored teenagers, and others are just playful weirdos who aren't really trolls. Deviating from the herd opinion doesn't translate to "trolling".

Group D- the creeps, pervs, and stalkers. :eek: Luckily they are a minority.

Anyway- my point is, the reason people seek out forums are for...a) mental stimulation b) entertainment/amusement. c) activism/"education"/"serious" debate.

Going into hostile territory to argue and stir shit up can be quite stimulating and amusing; it doesn't necessarily mean it's apart of some insidious plot to disrupt or divide and conquer.
 
question for you...

did you do anything for Ron Paul's two attempts at the Presidency?...delegate?...donate?..anything?
 
question for you...

did you do anything for Ron Paul's two attempts at the Presidency?...delegate?...donate?..anything?

My roommate at the time donated. I'm apolitical.

Let's not make this thread about me.

edit: I'll root for the anti-establishment candidate every time. I just don't think voting makes a difference.
 
I just don't think voting makes a difference.

There is a very large portion of society who thinks this way....if the majority of them voted for Ron Paul in the Republican Primary he could have won... not saying most of those people necessarily would have voted for Ron Paul.. but if you combine those who would have with those who voted for other candidates because they didn't think "Ron Paul had a chance of winning", it's possible he could have won.

So it's not your individual vote that does anything, but the attitude you share with others that decreases the ability to get anti-establishment candidates elected. By promoting that idea, it helps promote the establishment.
 
I think this classic meme sums up the main reasons I post on forums in general... and probably many others here...

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My roommate at the time donated. I'm apolitical.

Let's not make this thread about me.

edit: I'll root for the anti-establishment candidate every time. I just don't think voting makes a difference.

Let's do make this thread about you.

After all, people gather at the old car forum to talk about how to better bang out fifty-year-old dents. People gather at the model train forum to share information about how to get that long-wheelbase ALCO three axle truck to ride through the curved leg of a number five turnout. And people gather here to figure out how to get reasonably bright and non-evil people to stop letting evil win by doing nothing.

Think you can come here and not become a guinea pig? Think again.
 
My roommate at the time donated. I'm apolitical.

Let's not make this thread about me.

edit: I'll root for the anti-establishment candidate every time. I just don't think voting makes a difference.

ok, so why are YOU here?...seems only fair you spill your guts on this question.
 
My roommate at the time donated. I'm apolitical.

Let's not make this thread about me.

edit: I'll root for the anti-establishment candidate every time. I just don't think voting makes a difference.

Wow, you sound like a good portion of the people here.:eek:
 
I do not find much you wrote in your OP to make sense, pessimist. As an example:

So I would have to assume that most of the vocal members on forums are introverts. I assume most extroverts use social media.

What, exactly, is the existential difference between "social media" web sites and forum websites?
 
There is a very large portion of society who thinks this way....if the majority of them voted for Ron Paul in the Republican Primary he could have won... not saying most of those people necessarily would have voted for Ron Paul.. but if you combine those who would have with those who voted for other candidates because they didn't think "Ron Paul had a chance of winning", it's possible he could have won.

So it's not your individual vote that does anything, but the attitude you share with others that decreases the ability to get anti-establishment candidates elected. By promoting that idea, it helps promote the establishment.

I tend to kinda doubt that Ron would've run if he thought he had even a snowflake in hell chance of really winning. As he said repeatedly, the campaign was really just a platform for getting his message exposed to a national audience.
 
There is a very large portion of society who thinks this way....if the majority of them voted for Ron Paul in the Republican Primary he could have won... not saying most of those people necessarily would have voted for Ron Paul.. but if you combine those who would have with those who voted for other candidates because they didn't think "Ron Paul had a chance of winning", it's possible he could have won.

So it's not your individual vote that does anything, but the attitude you share with others that decreases the ability to get anti-establishment candidates elected. By promoting that idea, it helps promote the establishment.


A genuine anti-establishment candidate will never be elected- the establishment wouldn't allow it. Also, I'm leftist on a lot of economic issues. I'm full of contradictions.
 
What, exactly, is the existential difference between "social media" web sites and forum websites?



social media is a tool to brag about your job promotion, plaster photos of your babies, what you had for dinner, your new car, and create an (often false) image that your life is some utopian dream to make your friends feel bad about themselves. It's a place for small talk, selfies, and emotionally cheating on your SO. Every extrovert I know loves social media.

Forums are a bit different- they're more anonymous. You're more likely to express your real opinion on issues on them for this reason. They're also a place for robust discussion, argumentation, and even intellectual debate. How many philosophical discussions to see on your Facebook or Twitter feed?

I might be wrong here, but it seems to me that introverts are far more likely to participate in forums than extroverts are.

Extroverts get their energy from socializing with others.
 
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