Why are people so disappointed in the election results???

[john_anderson_ii]

I'm really hoping for option three, but I'll settle for option two.

I agree completely. Unfortunately option three requires a major shift in the brain housing group of your average joe American. Unfortunately, the MSM and other institutions who benefit immensely from the two party system won't exactly volunteer to lubricate the shift, and the brain housing group of Americans is pretty rusty and locked in place.

Option 2 is perfectly feasible, but it requires good timing and continued efforts on behalf of 'Ron Paul Republicans' like us. In short, we have to infiltrate the party much further before left shifting republicans start to win elections.

Theoretically speaking, the GOP can change it's direction two different ways, internally or externally. If GOP candidates shift further to the left and are rewarded with electoral wins, then external change will occur wherein the GOP will start vote chasing, ushering in option 1. However, if Ron Paul candidates infiltrate the GOP enough to bring the party back to it's fundamentals, then internal change will occur and the party will be rewarded by winning elections when the democrats screw things up.

 

[aravoth]

Sounds like you prefer another helping of George W. Or maybe the status quo is not sobering at all to you. :shrug

I'm not criticizing you, but its funny how human nature can make us prefer the past 8 years to Obama... Or more accurately, preferring absolute shit to unknown shit. Its like people would actually prefer a continuation just so its predictable.

On march 15th 2009, come back to this thread please.

 

[Josh_LA]

only stupid rednecks and neocon warmongers are disappointed.

nobody's crying stolen election.

 

[Ex Post Facto]

In North Carolina...the Libertarian Party is an official state recognized party now. No signatures neded for them to get back on the ballot.

 

[dannno]

I am drunk on champagne, celebrating John McCain's loss with my Obama supporting friends (2 of 3 would have voted for Ron Paul if he was the contender rather than McCain)

I'm not elated about Obama's win.

I'm definitely saddened by the the losses for the liberty candidates. We have a lot of work to do.

 

[kojirodensetsu]

Yes, Mccain would have likely gotten us to the same place, Obama just makes it more apparent.

I agree.

But for me it's also because I hate all those "yes we can" people.

 

[Truth Warrior]

I'm pretty baffled by all this. I'm not here all the time, but I thought this forum was still influenced by what Ron Paul has brought to this election cycle. Did it become a McCain camp all of a sudden? I dont understand this consistent disappointment here by the results. I mean, would you be elated had McCain won? It really doesn't make much sense to me.

Personally this at least opens the door for a 3rd party run in 2012. If the Republicans won, it would have funneled most opposition still to the Democratic side. But either way, i'm not taking any joy or sadness in who won today, the mission remains the same, and the mission would not have changed regardless of the election results.

REALITY disappoints the optimists ALL OF THE TIME.<IMHO>

Reality RULES!!!

 

[tomjammarsh]

Im back

This can be good. Maybe a dose of socialism will help reform the Republican party or create a new one altogether.

 

[RP08]

All these "paid-for" politicians make me sick. A vote for one is equally a vote for the other, but NEITHER actual politician. The winners are our "loaners". Over-seas and out of your personal "contributions" (losses). Personally, I am not against some form of some "representation" (not governing) from our upper-tier, but I happen to have a belief that the American people can come up with some, way cool system, that is not corrupted by beuracracy and red tape, and get some stuff done. Do I believe in run-away monopolies? NO! I lost my upper-middle-class job that I worked for over 2 decades to build, so they could show investors "lower overhead" costs. Gov't [should] represents... it does not rule. I want my great grandfather's America back.

We still wrote in Ron Paul, and flippin' proud of it.

 

[fedup100]

You should realize by now you will not take this country back with politics. The people will not wake up. Your only options at this time is secede, fight or move to another country.

There is one other, Russia may have mercy on us and bomb DC and rid all of us from this demonic government.

 

[anaconda]

You should realize by now you will not take this country back with politics. The people will not wake up. Your only options at this time is secede, fight or move to another country.

I have also begun to think about the absolute unwillingness of the masses to think for themselves and form large alliances accordingly. I think what's happening is that the party power brokers from the Democrats and Republicans are both in collusion with each other and with the globalist elites to appear to differentiate themselves to the masses. They are allowed to keep their status and funding and media hegemony as long as they play by the rules that keeps the elites larger plans on track from administration to administration. I think this is a pretty tough nut to crack. I don't think we should stop trying to educate ourselves and spread the word, but I am somewhat pessimistic about the constitution reigning supreme. I think it's a crooked system of payoffs... a delicate balance of conning the masses into working hard and paying taxes and keeping their standard of living just well off enough to avoid a revolution. Their investment in the police state is probably a hedge against revolution also. The fact that the masses vote against their better interests every election is really remarkable. The globalists are doin' a hell of a job.

 

[jeepndesert]

the results were disappointing. especially the u.s. minnesota senate race and the race between nancy pelosi and cindy sheehan. i suspect that the numbers were made up by diebold there.

the only real victory was the performance of ron paul.

however, this election was rigged from the start. there wasn't going to be a victory anywhere in the general election. third party candidates were splintered.

we lost key races in the primary, primarily between bob barr and mary ruwart. you got to become delegates of the libertarian party and be vigilant to identify and run out the neocons.

dr. mary ruwart could have united the dr. ron paul movement. bob barr was there to destroy it.

we're going down the shit hole fast and only going completely down the shit hole is going to be enough to awaken the people and make them vigilant.

looks like they are going to force us to go with the militia option. our only hope is if we can break the matrix and expose the true criminals and root of all evil, the federal reserve, and have their pawns in d.c. smarten up, switch sides, and stand up.

there is going to be a french revolution in this country if the congress doesn't switch sides and stand up because they are going to shove a dictatorship so far down our throats it's going to be obvious to even the most hypnotized obama sheep.

 

[jeepndesert]

....Their investment in the police state is probably a hedge against revolution also. The fact that the masses vote against their better interests every election is really remarkable. The globalists are doin' a hell of a job.

the good news is that the u.s. military are behind ron paul and the u.s. constitution, not the bankers.

if it comes down to the militia, the military will join the militia, hijack some bombers, and shock and awe the neocons dead in their ivory towers.

 

[Philadelphia76]

A rough night for the liberty candidates. That said... I think we should be heartened by the Obama victory in some ways. #1 our foreign policy stands to veer away from Neo-Conservative adventurism to a more pragmatic internationlist foreign policy- which obviously isn't good enough (STILL not what the Founders intended)- but should keep us out of more senseless, expensive "go it alone" wars. #2 the GOP has been absolutely humiliated and forced to take a long walk in the wilderness to figure out who they are and where they want to be. Many "mainstream" Republicans are talking about a "return to basics"- this is an opportunity for us.

I think the key struggle will be between them wanting to go back to the true conservativism of Ronald Reagan ca. 1976 or that of the President Reagan of the 1980's (lower taxes BUT deficit spending, inflation, robust foreign involvements). Hopefully we can steer 'em more towards the '76 version... At any rate, at least now we have the chance. A McCain victory would have resulted in a complete transfer of authority to the Neo Cons and the final death of the alliance between the true conservative movement and the GOP. At least it lives on (barely) for the next several months...

 

[anaconda]

the good news is that the u.s. military are behind ron paul and the u.s. constitution, not the bankers.

if it comes down to the militia, the military will join the militia, hijack some bombers, and shock and awe the neocons dead in their ivory towers.

Tell me how you know this. I want to believe this. Please tell me what your evidence of this is. Also, what are you referring to when you say "militia?" State national guards? Aren't they all in Iraq and indistinguishable from regular troops?

 

[anaconda]

our foreign policy stands to veer away from Neo-Conservative adventurism to a more pragmatic internationlist foreign policy- which obviously isn't good enough (STILL not what the Founders intended)- but should keep us out of more senseless, expensive "go it alone" wars. #2 the GOP has been absolutely humiliated and forced to take a long walk in the wilderness to figure out who they are and where they want to be. Many "mainstream" Republicans are talking about a "return to basics"- this is an opportunity for us.

I believe it is much worse than you realize. The neocon agenda was probably planned so that the left could be seduced with a charismatic successor. The one world government pieces are being hastily ushered in now. Just listen to Ron Paul yesterday on Alex Jones. Dr. Paul pulls no punches whatsoever. It's really something. I'm surprised there's not more of an uproar on the forum.

 

[libertarian4321]

the results were disappointing. especially the u.s. minnesota senate race and the race between nancy pelosi and cindy sheehan. i suspect that the numbers were made up by diebold there.

I keep telling you folks, there wasn't a chance in HELL that Pelosi was going to lose, or even be remotely threatened.

Her district is overwhelmingly Democratic. No Republican or "Independent" has a snowballs chance in Hell of winning. The straight ticket Dem votes alone are enough to get her elected every year.

So no, its not Diebold, its GERRYMANDERING. Pelosi has that seat as long as he wants it, and no underfunded third party person, even if she has a little name recognition, is going to change that.

You could run Ronald Reagan as a Rep. in that district, and he would get buried. You could run Jesus, Captain America, or the Pope as an independent, and the result would be the same. No help needed from Diebold.

For many in congress, the only way they can lose is to be convicted of a Felony. Actually, Alaska has shown us that even that won't do the trick...

 

[libertarian4321]

the good news is that the u.s. military are behind ron paul and the u.s. constitution, not the bankers.

I've spent decades in the military.

Let me assure you, most folks in the military are just as ignorant as civilians- they have no bloody idea what's in the Constitution, other than a few parts of the Bill of Rights.

They'd do as they were told, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[angelatc]

Sounds like you prefer another helping of George W. Or maybe the status quo is not sobering at all to you. :shrug

I'm not criticizing you, but its funny how human nature can make us prefer the past 8 years to Obama... Or more accurately, preferring absolute shit to unknown shit. Its like people would actually prefer a continuation just so its predictable.

Stop putting words in other people's mouths. Nobody said they prefer the past 8 years to Obama, so there's really mot much for you to find funny.

We are bummed about the state of the country in general, and we are bummed that the liberty candidates lost their congressional races.