Whose got your vote for President in 2016?

[Jingles]

Trump because I really can't stand Gary Johnson anymore.

He literally has gained ABSOLUTELY ZERO KNOWLEDGE since the last time he ran. I thought 4 years of being in the LP would have had him do some reading and learn more about libertarianism, but NOPE. He is the exact same wishy washy "socially liberal/fiscally conservative" guy. And in all honestly he comes off too much like a liberal a lot of the time.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Ok. That's fine. I see things from my lens differently.

I believe we are at a critical moment. This election, I feel, is more important than any of our lifetime. The consequences are much greater than my personal sense of principle. For me, as things are, the least I can do is vote to have more conservative Supreme Court Justices elected by choosing Trump (who, in theory, will more likely do so than Hillary). It is a risk, I understand, but the alternative is guaranteed failure and doom for this nation. If I am wrong, then the results would have been similar anyway. But it at least provided a possible chance compared to simply standing by and allowing the status quo to continue.

If the election is a blowout come Election Day, I am voting for Castle.

If the election is close, I am going to hold my nose and vote for Trump not because I agree with him on many things, or because I support his policies, but because I believe (mistakenly or not) that he offers more of a chance to turn this nation from the brink than his opponent does. I also believe that me sitting out the election because I want to protect my 'principles' would be something done out of pride and to no one's benefit than to satisfy my own ego. With this particular election, and with the consequences of a Hillary win, I personally will not allow my pride to stop me from fighting against the greater evil.

I don't think its pride in the slightest to refrain from voting the lesser evil. By the contrary I think its just being consistent with Romans 3:8.

 

[TER]

I don't think its pride in the slightest to refrain from voting the lesser evil. By the contrary I think its just being consistent with Romans 3:8.

Not voting for the lesser of two evils does not have to be on account of pride, though it sometimes is. I am prepared to vote third party if there appears to be a blowout or sure winner on Election Day.

I was sure to express in my post you quoted that I have to chosen the lesser of two evils if the election is close, because personally, to vote third party when my vote may actually stop a greater evil, I feel would because of pride and do nothing to help the situation my family is in. This does not apply to all who vote third party. I am speaking on behalf of myself.

 

[CaptUSA]

Trump because I really can't stand Gary Johnson anymore.

He literally has gained ABSOLUTELY ZERO KNOWLEDGE since the last time he ran. I thought 4 years of being in the LP would have had him do some reading and learn more about libertarianism, but NOPE. He is the exact same wishy washy "socially liberal/fiscally conservative" guy. And in all honestly he comes off too much like a liberal a lot of the time.

Ok, I can certainly accept that you've given up on Johnson. Hell, he's given you no real reason to support him.

But then to extend that to supporting Trump?! I mean that makes absolutely zero sense. Zip. Nil. In all the areas you can find where Johnson is bad, and there are lots of them, Trump is even worse! Go for Castle. Go for a write-in. But Trump?! Because you think Johnson isn't libertarian or knowledgeable enough?!

Nah, you've bought the con - that's all. Don't blame Johnson for your Trumpcucking. That's a façade.

 

[twomp]

The whole problem with this whole "lesser of 2 evils" scam is that there will ALWAYS be a lesser of 2 evils. That is how you get sucked into this dog and pony show. Guess what over there on team blue, they are saying the EXACT same thing. 2 idiot groups claiming they are doing the "right" thing by supporting their idiot of choice. Round and around you go FOREVER!!! Enjoy boobus!

 

[TER]

The whole problem with this whole "lesser of 2 evils" scam is that there will ALWAYS be a lesser of 2 evils. That is how you get sucked into this dog and pony show. Guess what over there on team blue, they are saying the EXACT same thing. 2 idiot groups claiming they are doing the "right" thing by supporting their idiot of choice. Round and around you go FOREVER!!! Enjoy boobus!

Yeah, I get your point. It's a rigged and messed up system. But if there is a chance to at least restore some conservative judges into the SC, I have to take it. Voting for a third party to me does not seem fix the situation quick enough.

 

[Natural Citizen]

The means cannot be separated from the end when judged morally. And I think it's anti-moral to try to separate the means from the end. We need to squash immediately any idea of attempting to do "good" by force or by way of coercion of Man by government regardless of whether the claim is made that it's for his own good or the common or greater good or that the less evil guy (subjective, btw) is doing it.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Anyway. Castle isn't on the ballot here. So I'm likely not going to vote now.

 

[nikcers]

Rand Paul Trolling CNN

 

[Chester Copperpot]

nice

 

[CCTelander]

The whole problem with this whole "lesser of 2 evils" scam is that there will ALWAYS be a lesser of 2 evils. That is how you get sucked into this dog and pony show. Guess what over there on team blue, they are saying the EXACT same thing. 2 idiot groups claiming they are doing the "right" thing by supporting their idiot of choice. Round and around you go FOREVER!!! Enjoy boobus!

This can't be +repped enough. The only way to win a rigged game is not to play.

 

[parocks]

At this point, what difference does it make?

Hillary is like Stalin.

Stalin killed around 30 Million of his own people.

The horror show won't be Trump, it would be Hillary.

 

[parocks]

The whole problem with this whole "lesser of 2 evils" scam is that there will ALWAYS be a lesser of 2 evils. That is how you get sucked into this dog and pony show. Guess what over there on team blue, they are saying the EXACT same thing. 2 idiot groups claiming they are doing the "right" thing by supporting their idiot of choice. Round and around you go FOREVER!!! Enjoy boobus!

Is there some mechanism by which not voting results in nobody winning?

I mean if a certain percentage of the public doesn't vote, we don't have government?

I'm pretty sure it doesn't work that way.

I'd rather have pissed off Ron Paul supporters voting for the lesser of 2 evils every time, because we'll get better outcomes that way. Not great ones, but a little bit better, some of the time.

Now, I'm not suggesting that people should vote. If they all suck, why vote for someone who sucks? My position on this changed when Hillary got the nomination. Hillary murders people who piss her off. We aren't getting some sort of good President out of voting for Trump, but we're keeping an evil psychopath out of the White House who is constantly committing crimes, and committing more crimes to cover up the earlier crimes in a non stop cycle.

Decent people should really get over their butt hurt about not ever getting a candidate that is actually good (and they're right about that) and vote for Trump to stop Hillary who is depraved and evil.

I cannot be the only person here who remembers the 90s. What is unusual about Obama compared to Clinton is that there is no long list of dead people involved with Obama. Is it normal or weird for dozens of dead people to show up, connected to a particular candidate or elected official? Is it normal for Democrats? Well, it's not there for Obama, and it was there for the Clintons in the 90s and in 2016. Can't we just say "NO" to that?

I assume that anyone saying anything positive about Clinton is being bribed to do so.

 

[nikcers]

Rand Paul Trolling CNN

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/09/08/rand-paul-donald-trump-would-be-a-better-commander-in-chief/

Can anyone tell me why Breitbart took out the correction Wolf Blitzer made that Trump was for the Iraq war?

 

[LibertyEagle]

This can't be +repped enough. The only way to win a rigged game is not to play.

Uh, no. That doesn't cause you to win. In fact, they love that you have decided to sit on the sidelines while they finish off destroying our country.

But then again, I've noticed over the years that a lot of the fence-sitters seem to want many of the same things as the globalists, such as the U.S. going in the tank. I used to think it was just because they weren't aware of how this was a tactic of the globalists in their overall strategy. I no longer believe that anymore.

 

[CCTelander]

Uh, no. That doesn't cause you to win. In fact, they love that you have decided to sit on the sidelines while they finish off destroying our country.

But then again, I've noticed over the years that a lot of the fence-sitters seem to want many of the same things as the globalists, such as the U.S. going in the tank. I used to think it was just because they weren't aware of how this was a tactic of the globalists in their overall strategy. I no longer believe that anymore.

Yes, yes. Everyone who disagrees with LE's authoritarian Trump lovin' is a globalist.

Yawn.

Don't you have other members to lie about somewhere else?

 

[undergroundrr]

But then again, I've noticed over the years that a lot of the fence-sitters seem to want many of the same things as the globalists, such as the U.S. going in the tank.

By all means, please point out the abstentionist members of RPF who want the U.S. to "go into the tank."

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Hillary is like Stalin.

Stalin killed around 30 Million of his own people.

The horror show won't be Trump, it would be Hillary.

Molon Labe. And fuck em.

The whole lot of them.

 

[01000110]

Voting for Trump.

 

[Jingles]

Ok, I can certainly accept that you've given up on Johnson. Hell, he's given you no real reason to support him.

But then to extend that to supporting Trump?! I mean that makes absolutely zero sense. Zip. Nil. In all the areas you can find where Johnson is bad, and there are lots of them, Trump is even worse! Go for Castle. Go for a write-in. But Trump?! Because you think Johnson isn't libertarian or knowledgeable enough?!

Nah, you've bought the con - that's all. Don't blame Johnson for your Trumpcucking. That's a façade.

I don't think you understand my support for Trump, but also I didn't really define it. All I really did was criticize Gary Johnson. So I'll excuse the response. After that if we still disagree. We just do then.

First of all, Trump isn't some kind of evil villain to me in any sense. I actually do view him as an honest, tough guy that really wants to do well for America and put America first. I know we are kind of split currently on the man. I guess I just fall more into the Stefan Molyneux, Alex Jones, Lew Rockwell, Walter Block, etc... camp when it comes to Trump. There are some things I disagree with him on, but not enough for me not to vote for him. Maybe it is because I came from the right when I found libertarianism and that is still part of me? Maybe it's because I agree with him on immigration (you can't have open borders and a welfare state)? Maybe it's because he isn't a raving NeoCon on foreign policy and his foreign policy is more America first (while not full Ron Paul which is what I would like, but good enough for the Republican nominee. Also him calling out Jeb Bush in that debate on the Iraq war and his brother's failure of 9/11... that was beautiful)?

Maybe I just want to see I someone completely destroy Hillary Clinton? Maybe it's because he prefers putting our country first over Globalism? Maybe it's because he wants to defend Western values? Maybe it is defiance to political correctness? Maybe it is view on radical Islam? Maybe it's because everyone in the media and politics that I hate... Hates him? Maybe I just like to see the left panic and fall apart? Maybe if nothing else he is just a giant middle finger to the entire political process and the federal government?

If I'm voting in the first place I'm already comprising and giving on my principles anyways (i.e. I'm picking my slave master). I just feel Trump might actually do something good as opposed to Gary "Cake" Johnson and his horrible running mate and their poor explanation and views on libertarianism. In a weird way it's just that I like Trump and I want to punish the Libertarian Party for giving us Bob Barr and Gary Johnson (again) at the same time. The last decent nominee was Michael Badnarik.