Whose got your vote for President in 2016?

[TER]

I'm voting Trump. I was against him in November, but since then I dug up a lot of info about him for the last 3 decades. I have my concerns about his lack of empathy and his flirtation with authoritarianism, but I see it is a necessary counter balance to the movement in this country and the world is going towards world government, and political correctness.

It is a shame that the Trump phenomenon has a semblance of fascism, which is the organic and extreme rebound attempt by the people on the pendulum of governance, away from the power of communism and globalism. At least his most crazy ideas will not get movement, via bipartisan vote in the House. With Hillary, though, you have the continuation of these foreign and monetary policies which are destroying this nation. The pendulum starts to tip over.

 

[Bryan]

Disrupt WHAT? Ron Paul is not running. Did you not realize that?



I did not pretend anything. I stood behind what I said. 100%. And still do. Go reread what was asked me and my answer. I still stand by it. 100%.

So how about explaining why you are apparently supporting tickets that are gun-grabbing, anti national sovereignty and pro-world government.

Can we get this clear, you're saying that Ron Paul is a Hilary Clinton supporter? Because why?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Can we get this clear, you're saying that Ron Paul is a Hilary Clinton supporter? Because why?

Oh geez, Bryan. How about you go read what I said?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...dent-in-2016&p=6304393&viewfull=1#post6304393

 

[V-rod]

It is a shame that the Trump phenomenon has a semblance of fascism, which is an organic and extreme rebound attempt by the people on the pendulum, away from the power of communism and globalism. At least his most crazy ideas will not get movement via bipartisan vote in the House. With Hillary, though, you have the continuation of these foreign and monetary policies which are destroying this nation.

If I truly felt Trump was truly a fascist, I wouldn't go with him. It is unnerving that Trump has no "Real" record to check out. It is very difficult to know if his antics are sincere, or a part of his brilliant marketing gimmick to wear down Hillary's campaign into submission as he did with Bush and Cruz. I don't even really believe he feels that strongly about illegal immigration, and he used it is as a way for him to establish himself into the political scene. I think he does care about law and order, but not to the point of deporting "dreamers".
This is the same man who released his own 20 year old recording of himself pretending to be his own spokesperson to the media, in order to stay in the news cycle, and dominate it more.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Again, go read what was asked me and my reply. I stand by it. And Gunny, Ron is not God. He too makes mistakes.

But, I since you hate Trump so much, please explain why you hate our national sovereignty. Because besides Castle, Trump is the only candidate against TPP and other BS that hands our national sovereignty off to world ruling bodies. Since you do, why are YOU here?

My correct understanding that Donald Trump will continue and further the destruction of the United States of America, does not magically imply that I am anti sovereignty. By making this claim you seem to have elevated Trump to a god, and appear to be committing idolatry. Donald Trump is not the "i am" of sovereignty.

You are also claiming a sure knowledge of my heart, as if you know what I think better than I know what I think --- by claiming surety that I "hate national sovereignty" you are either claiming a knowledge that is even more sure than the knowledge of God, and thereby elevating yourself above God, which is idolatry AND blasphemy, or you know that you are spinning a yarn and are therefore in abrogation of your integrity.

Go on and do a search. I have been here posting for 9 years. I am sure you can find just one single quote to substantiate any of your charges that 1) I oppose US Sovereignty, or 2) I support open borders, or 3) (you still have neither proven nor retracted this lie either) that I support a convention of states.

Why are you allowed to continue lying about people and lying about people with impunity? If you are going to make these spurious accusations, you need to either produce evidence of your charges or retract your accusations. That's what people with integrity do. You do remember integrity, do you not?

So, if you see any value at all in integrity, then you need to either come up with evidence for ANY of your spurious, biased, and lying charges, or admit that you are just slinging dirt because you have no proper argument, and apologize for your false accusations.

And no, opposition to your pet tyrant Donald Trump is not automagic opposition to sovereignty.

 

[Influenza]

Can we get this clear, you're saying that Ron Paul is a Hilary Clinton supporter? Because why?

You know what to do, Bryan. Make RPF great again. Do what has to be done.

 

[Bryan]

Oh geez, Bryan. How about you go read what I said?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...dent-in-2016&p=6304393&viewfull=1#post6304393

It's often helpful to gain clarity on someone's position before countering it.

So in summary, you are saying that anyone who doesn't support Trump is supporting Hillary?

 

[Ender]

Oh geez, Bryan. How about you go read what I said?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...dent-in-2016&p=6304393&viewfull=1#post6304393

I read what you said and yes, you inferred that he is.

 

[Chester Copperpot]

You claimed that Ron Paul was supporting Hillary, got called out on it, and now you are trying to pretend saying that was not bad? This really has me wondering, have you always secretly thought that the liberty movement was somehow 'anti-american' and has your entire purpose in this movement been to disrupt the only hope America actually has for freedom?

Because when you claim that Ron Paul is a Hillary supporter, that's.....the least of what horribleness I am seeing.

i read that graphic wrong.... thought it was zippyjuan saying that

 

[LibertyEagle]

My correct understanding that Donald Trump will continue and further the destruction of the United States of America, does not magically imply that I am anti sovereignty. By making this claim you have elevated Trump to a god, and are therefore committing idolatry. Donald Trump is not the "i am" of sovereignty.

You are claiming a sure knowledge of my heart, as if you know what I think better than I know what I think --- by claiming surety that I "hate national sovereignty" you are either claiming a knowledge that is even more sure than the knowledge of God, and thereby elevating yourself above God, which is idolatry AND blasphemy, or you know that you are lying and are a run of the mill liar.

Go on and do a search. I have been here posting for 9 years. I am sure you can find just one single quote to substantiate any of your charges that 1) I oppose US Sovereignty, or 2) I support open borders, or 3) (you still have neither proven nor retracted this lie either) that I support a convention of states.

Why are you allowed to continue lying about people and lying about people with impunity? If you are going to make these spurious accusations, you need to either produce evidence of your charges or retract your accusations. That's what people with integrity do. Do you remember integrity? Have you ever known integrity?

So, if you see any value at all in integrity, then you need to either come up with evidence for ANY of your spurious, biased, and lying charges, or admit that you are just slinging dirt because you have no proper argument, and apologize for your false accusations.

And no, opposition to your pet tyrant Donald Trump is not automagic opposition to sovereignty.

You want to turn this into a personal deal, instead of a debate on issues. Why is that, Gunny? Because you have no argument?

There are no perfect candidates running. However, with Trump we have a decent chance of getting constructionist Supreme Court Justices appointed. With Clinton, there is 0 chance.

Trump is against the TPP. Clinton and Johnson are for it.

Trump is against international ruling bodies above our own Congress. All but Castle appear all for them.

Trump claims to be pro-gun now. The NRA seems to believe it. His sons are avid hunters. We have a decent chance here. With Hillary. ZERO.

He's all for enforcing our immigration laws. Believes we have the right to determine who comes into our country. The others, not so much. In fact, not at all.

He wants to renegotiate current trade deals or get out of them entirely. He talks often of NAFTA in this regard. We never needed these 1000+ page documents to trade with other countries. As you might recall, Ron was against NAFTA.

etc.

 

[Chester Copperpot]

I am taking a pragmatic approach and casting my personal ideological pride in the back seat. The stakes are too high his time around, in my opinion. The reality is that the winner will either be Hillary or Trump.

If it looks like there is a blowout going into election day, I'll vote third party, since that will be the greatest change for good I can do with my single vote. (for Castle)

If it looks close, I am voting for Trump, because Hillary as president will be a greater evil.

I understand that Trump may be even worse, but at least there is a hope with the Supreme Court nominees he would choose compared to her. With Hillary, if she nominates two (or more!) justices, this nation will have irreparably and fundamentally changed, and global unelected bodies of technocrats and bankers will destroy and finish this once great nation, once and for all.

Yes I agree.. This is very similar to my own position... Trump has some distasteful positions but I think he will be good on getting us out of bad trade deals, closing overseas military bases we dont need and reversing the progression of globalism. He also is an incredible wildcard.. Nobody knows what he will do in alot of things but hes certainly not business or bush as usual. He has completely upended the GOP establishment and if he doesnt get in, the establishment will go full retard to prevent this from ever happening again to them, so to me its now or never. Trump may not be the challenger we wanted but hes the one we've got now.

 

[Ender]

You want to turn this into a personal deal, instead of a debate on issues. Why is that, Gunny? Because you have no argument?

There are no perfect candidates running. However, with Trump we have a decent chance of getting constructionist Supreme Court Justices appointed. With Clinton, there is 0 chance.

Trump is against the TPP. Clinton and Johnson are for it.

Trump is against international ruling bodies above our own Congress. All but Castle appear all for them.

Trump claims to be pro-gun now. The NRA seems to believe it. His sons are avid hunters. We have a decent chance here. With Hillary. ZERO.

He's all for enforcing our immigration laws. Believes we have the right to determine who comes into our country. The others, not so much. In fact, not at all.

He wants to renegotiate current trade deals or get out of them entirely. He talks often of NAFTA in this regard. We never needed these 1000+ page documents to trade with other countries. As you might recall, Ron was against NAFTA.

etc.

YOU turned it personal- your words to Gunny:

But, I since you hate Trump so much, please explain why you hate our national sovereignty.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

You want to turn this into a personal deal, instead of a debate on issues. Why is that, Gunny? Because you have no argument?

There are no perfect candidates running. However, with Trump we have a decent chance of getting constructionist Supreme Court Justices appointed. With Clinton, there is 0 chance.

Trump is against the TPP. Clinton and Johnson are for it.

Trump is against international ruling bodies above our own Congress. All but Castle appear all for them.

Trump claims to be pro-gun now. The NRA seems to believe it. His sons are avid hunters. We have a decent chance here. With Hillary. ZERO.

He's all for enforcing our immigration laws. Believes we have the right to determine who comes into our country. The others, not so much. In fact, not at all.

He wants to renegotiate current trade deals or get out of them entirely. He talks often of NAFTA in this regard. We never needed these 1000+ page documents to trade with other countries. As you might recall, Ron was against NAFTA.

etc.

You have been accusing me of supporting a Convention of States since the moment you jumped on the Trump Train. You have never provided even one shred of evidence. I stated clearly that was false, and you doubled down on the accusation. I told you again to provide evidence and you replied "YOU KNOW WHAT YOU BELIEVE." It is now on you to produce evidence of your charges, or retract them.

You have been accusing me of supporting open borders for the last 8 months or so. You have never provided even one shred of evidence. I stated clearly that was false, and you doubled down on the accusation. It is now on you to produce evidence of your charges or retract them.

You have been accusing me of opposing national sovereignty for the last 4 months or so. You have never provided even one shred of evidence. I stated clearly that was false, and you doubled down on the accusation. It is now on you to produce evidence of your charges or retract them.

If you are going to accuse people of things, you either need to substantiate your accusations or retract them. That's how integrity works, LE.

 

[lilymc]

I'm flabbergasted that people are still falling for the same mind game they've been playing for years now... "You better vote for ______(authoritarian phony #1) or else you're going to get ______(authoritarian phony #2)."

They're all globalist sellouts, the PTSB is never going to allow a genuine, good, true libertarian leader to get the nomination. Have we learned nothing in the last 8 years?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

YOU turned it personal- your words to Gunny:

She made it personal way before that. She's been accusing me of this and much worse since pretty much the moment she jumped on the Trump train. She has never provided even one shred or scintilla of evidence to back up even a single one of her accusations.

 

[LibertyEagle]

It's often helpful to gain clarity on someone's position before countering it.

So in summary, you are saying that anyone who doesn't support Trump is supporting Hillary?

I would prefer to be specific. You want to talk about Ron, ok, Bryan. Yes, I think ultimately that is what is happening with him throwing out the good in search of the perfect that doesn't exist. Meanwhile, we are going to sit here and watch the Trans Pacific Partnership go through, 3 or 4 leftist as all hell Supreme Court Justices be appointed, more national sovereignty lost and our country turned into the hell hole that Germany and France currently are, with terrorist attacks every time they turn around.

While you are here, have you made a decision about Johnson/Weld yet? You know, TPP-supporting, gun-grabbing, world govenrment Johnson/Weld. November is coming up soon.

 

[Ender]

I'm flabbergasted that people are still falling for the same mind game that they've been playing for years now... "You better vote for ______(authoritarian phony #1) or else you're going to get_______(authoritarian phony #2)."

They're all globalist sellouts, the PTSB is never going to allow a genuine, good, true libertarian leader to get the nomination. Have we learned nothing in the last 8 years?

On. The. Nose.

 

[TER]

I'm flabbergasted that people are still falling for the same mind game that they've been playing for years now... "You better vote for ______(authoritarian phony #1) or else you're going to get_______(authoritarian phony #2)."

They're all globalist sellouts, the PTSB is never going to allow a genuine, good, true libertarian leader to get the nomination. Have we learned nothing in the last 8 years?

The thing I have learned the most is that geopolitically, things are getting worse and worse.

 

[LibertyEagle]

She made it personal way before that. She's been accusing me of this and much worse since pretty much the moment she jumped on the Trump train. She has never provided even one shred or scintilla of evidence to back up even a single one of her accusations.

This would be humorous if it wasn't so sad. Do you not even remember the names you called both me and Kahless for daring to say Trump was our 2nd choice?

 

[Chester Copperpot]

The thing I have learned the most is that geopolitically, things are getting worse and worse.

geopolitics started by karl haushofer... a nazi.. hmmm.. it always comes back to nazis.. heheh