Who plans on joining the Free State Project in New Hampshire this year?

[goRPaul]

Not this year, but I'm seriously considering moving to NH by the end of the decade.

 

[bolil]

I know your statement is meant figuratively but even so it defies logic. You cannot, even figuratively, shut the door to a state and start the burners. You're not making any sense I'm afraid.

Pffft, so you cant quarantine a geographical area the size of NH? Okay dude, cause the Calvary does not use helicopters... they still ride horses. Oh, and predator drones are really just a figment of our collective imaginations. And fences, well those haven't existed since Robert Frost's time...

 

[Crotale]

Pffft, so you cant quarantine a geographical area the size of NH? Okay dude, cause the Calvary does not use helicopters... they still ride horses. Oh, and predator drones are really just a figment of our collective imaginations. And fences, well those haven't existed since Robert Frost's time...

No, you really couldn't. There would be an uprising.

 

[Crotale]

Not this year, but I'm seriously considering moving to NH by the end of the decade.

You don't have to move straight away, you can sign the statement of intent and move later when the ticker gets to 20,000.

http://freestateproject.org/

 

[bolil]

No, you really couldn't. There would be an uprising.

A mass migration to NH would be considered an uprising. They'll play Lincolns game and force y'all to fire the first shot, ala fort sumter, and give themselves all the pretense they need. I'm all about this project, I just see it ending in violence. Heh, an uprising of rifles vs predator drones... yeah that should end well for the rifles. I'll be there too, so help me god. You think genocide (politicide?) can't come here? Then you had better get your head outta your ass cause it damn well can. Best to go into these things with eyes open if your going to be the target.

EDIT: That being said, there is strength in numbers VIVE LE FSP

 

[RonPaulMall]

NH is too cold for me, so I'll never join. I am considering starting a Free City State Project and moving to Key West though.

 

[specsaregood]

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[kahless]

The biggest thing holding me back from a move to NH right now is their oppressive property tax. I'm staggered and frankly amazed that with all the large-scale goals thusfar achieved by the FSP movement, lowering or even abolishing property taxation has not been among them.

^Exactly this. How can you have a "Free state project" that does not address the fundamental issue of property taxes. Property taxes are the number 1 obstacle to truly living free in this country, followed by zoning laws and building codes.

Renters also forget that landlords pass on those high property taxes to them thus meaning higher rents. Property taxes are a good indication of what kind of people you have living in the community. You can always easy to tell Communists, Socialist and Democrat party areas since those regions have the highest property, school taxes and rents.

 

[kahless]

We're working on it.

The best thing to do is get involved in town issues, make sure that the selectmen aren't writing blanks checks each time some cop, fireman, or schoolteacher comes wandering in, wheezing that they need a new 30 million dollar facility.

Also, be very careful about what town you might want to move to.

The tax rates vary wildly from town to town.

http://www.revenue.nh.gov/munc_prop/2011PropertyTaxRatesRelatedData.htm

It varies from $1 per thousand to over $30 per thousand of assessed value.

Most places are in the $15 to $20 range.

Which is, of course, $1500 to $2000 per year on a home assessed at $100,000.

Which, considering that you pay basically no other taxes on income or purchases, it's a bargain, I think.

It is still a precarious existence. Too many factors can cause you to end up out on the street if you fall one dollar behind in property taxes. I have seen people own their home for years and never miss a property tax payment lose their homes to government thugs. All it takes is to fall one dollar behind and these government leeches will take your home, throw you on the street and make you dependent on them.

That is no way living free.

 

[Schiff_FTW]

^Exactly this. How can you have a "Free state project" that does not address the fundamental issue of property taxes. Property taxes are the number 1 obstacle to truly living free in this country, followed by zoning laws and building codes.

Renters also forget that landlords pass on those high property taxes to them thus meaning higher rents. Property taxes are a good indication of what kind of people you have living in the community. You can always easy to tell Communists, Socialist and Democrat party areas since those regions have the highest property, school taxes and rents.

There are a number of townships in NH with an effective mill rate of zero, according to http://www.joeshimkus.com/NH-Tax-Rates.pdf

Here is a cabin for sale in Success, NH with taxes listed as $0: http://www.beangroup.com/real_estate/listings/Homes/NH/Success/1372460

So I don't understand this complaint. Even if you don't want to live in the middle of nowhere (by NH standards), there are a number of towns, some barely an hour's drive from Boston, with a mill rate under 10. I don't know about the rest of the country, but, heck, in my current town, a suburb of Hartford, CT, the mill rate is more than three times that, and that's just the beginning of the tax burden.

 

[tfurrh]

That is no way living free.

I think addressing issues like this is why the FSP was started.

↑ thousandth post, btw

 

[cucucachu0000]

im trying to convince my girlfriend to go to nursing school there. she might like it and want to stay.

 

[Crotale]

You think genocide (politicide?) can't come here? Then you had better get your head outta your ass cause it damn well can.

 

[Crotale]

NH is too cold for me, so I'll never join.

Man up you great big wimp.

What's more important to you, freedom or the weather?

 

[Anti Federalist]

It is still a precarious existence. Too many factors can cause you to end up out on the street if you fall one dollar behind in property taxes. I have seen people own their home for years and never miss a property tax payment lose their homes to government thugs. All it takes is to fall one dollar behind and these government leeches will take your home, throw you on the street and make you dependent on them.

That is no way living free.

Where in the US is there no property tax?

I agree, it is a taking, a theft, like other taxes.

Unlike income taxes, they'll just take your home, instead of throwing you in jail, or shackling you to indentured servitude for the rest of your life.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Man up you great big wimp.

What's more important to you, freedom or the weather?

I know, I know, jeez...you people never heard of coats and long johns?

And when ya'll are baking and searing in 120 heat and humidity my windows will be open with a fresh breeze blowing through.

 

[Pericles]

Pffft, so you cant quarantine a geographical area the size of NH? Okay dude, cause the Calvary does not use helicopters... they still ride horses. Oh, and predator drones are really just a figment of our collective imaginations. And fences, well those haven't existed since Robert Frost's time...

Calvary is a hill near Jerusalem. Cavalry is the mounted arm of warfare, who are masters of maneuver based combat.

 

[Keith and stuff]

Man up you great big wimp.

What's more important to you, freedom or the weather?

Actually, it was 85 in parts of NH last week. It was in the 80s yesterday, was in the 80s today and will be in the 80s on Thursday.

It is understandable if someone doesn't want to live in NH every single day of the year because of the cold winter. I know a couple folks that go down to FL to live with family or friends for 20-60 days per year. Some of my family takes 2-3 vacations a year, often during winter, frequenting HI and the Caribbean. There are snowbirds in NH, for sure. There is nothing wrong with having a trailer in FL, AL, AZ, NM, TX or some other place that is hot. I know a family that lives in an RV. They live in the South in the winter and in NH most of the rest of the year.

There are other options. I know a couple area families that heat their houses entirely with wood that they chop down. Not only does it help keep the men healthy, it make sure that they have a large supply of inexpensive heat. If someone wants their house to be 75 in the winter, they can do it. Just keep the wood in the stove. Vehicles may be stored in heated garages. Another option is to have a portable car starter. You can start you car 5 minutes early from inside your house so that it is warm when you are ready to drive away.

 

[Keith and stuff]

Where in the US is there no property tax?

As far as I know, only remote areas of NH and AK are without property taxes. If kahless wants to live in an area without property taxes, perhaps kahless will move to NH or AK

 

[Schiff_FTW]

As far as I know, only remote areas of NH and AK are without property taxes.

Yes, I posted an example a few posts up. That is why I am perplexed by this idea that NH has abnormally high property taxes. I remember hearing it even before the Free State Project came into existence. I guess other parts of the country must have very low property taxes, but in New England it's usually what funds the majority of the public school system (which obviously isn't cheap) and the local cops. The cool thing about NH is everything is decided on the local level, so it's easy to have a lot of influence just by being one of the few who 'show up'.

There are still some things NH is slightly behind on, such as marijuana law reform. But it looks like they're catching up with the help of newly elected libertarian Republicans!

http://www.mpp.org/states/new-hampshire/

When the 2010 election resulted in a Republican landslide, many feared the movement to reform marijuana laws in New Hampshire would experience a major setback. Instead, in 2011 the Republican-dominated House of Representatives passed a medical marijuana bill by an astonishing 221-96 margin. HB 442 was then approved by the Senate Health and Human Services Committee, but sadly, the full Senate was deadlocked over the bill and chose to table it rather than bring it to a vote.

Fortunately, the bill is being reintroduced in 2012 as SB 409, and three Republican senators have taken the lead as sponsors. With Sen. Jim Forsythe (R-Strafford) as prime sponsor, we are more confident than ever in our chances of getting this bill passed by the Republican-controlled Senate.