Who plans on joining the Free State Project in New Hampshire this year?

[SilentBull]

Hoping to move there this year.

 

[Crotale]

Or perhaps New Hampshire is the barn they are herding us into. Don't be surprized when the door shuts and you begin to smell gas. Just food for thought.

I've never heard such nonsense. Are you seriously trying to say that the FSP is some sort of agency of the New World Order? Not even Alex Jones is that kooky. Despite not believing what they claim to be true myself, I respect the truther-types in the R3VOLUTION. I believe that the infowars folk are important allies, and that they are on the side of liberty. However claiming that the FSP is part of a government genocidal conspiracy is complete bonkers. It's up there with those who believe in lizard people, that Ron Paul is a freemason/illuminati/Bildeberg member and that the government run by grey aliens which use mind control.

 

[specsaregood]

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[donnay]

Have there ever been any Bigfoot sightings in NH? <----- potential deciding factor

Yes! I live with Big Foot. LOL!

 

[Anti Federalist]

It is certainly on the "to be discussed" list when my wife finishes school in december.

As it should be.

I think I'd blow me own brains out if I had to live in NJ again.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Yes! I live with Big Foot. LOL!

HEY!!!

WTF did I do?

 

[donnay]

HEY!!!

WTF did I do?

Nuttin' honey. You just have big feet.

 

[specsaregood]

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[Keith and stuff]

Remind me to carry armor piercing rounds. That should be able to shoot through the wooden doors, methinks.

Tanks and machine guns are legal in NH. Feel free to openly carry a machine gun but keep in mind that people may scream and run from you Heck, we don't even have any knife laws. People are legally allowed to walk down the street dressed like a samurai if they want. I wouldn't be surprised if someone called the cops, though. No arrest or charges will come of it.

While NH is a small state, there are still 100s of miles here. Unless Obama was willing to nuke Boston, MA, Albany, NY and Montreal, Canada, he couldn't destroy NH. Of course, every 4 years NH is the most important state in the US politically.

 

[Pericles]

Tanks and machine guns are legal in NH. Feel free to openly carry a machine gun but keep in mind that people may scream and run from you Heck, we don't even have any knife laws. People are legally allowed to walk down the street dressed like a samurai if they want. I wouldn't be surprised if someone called the cops, though. No arrest or charges will come of it.

While NH is a small state, there are still 100s of miles here. Unless Obama was willing to nuke Boston, MA, Albany, NY and Montreal, Canada, he couldn't destroy NH. Of course, every 4 years NH is the most important state in the US politically.

Too bad that does not extend to the idea of groups of people freely associating with each other carrying said weapons.

 

[PreDeadMan]

I'd like to move to New Hampshire in the future. I'll probably check out PorcFest this year as I've never even visited New Hampshire. I'm in a band also I'm going to try and convince my band to play at Porcfest. some of my band's songs are at www.reverbnation.com/AnotherLifeBand for anyone that wants to check it out... basement recordings pretty good quality.

 

[Keith and stuff]

The biggest thing holding me back from a move to NH right now is their oppressive property tax. I'm staggered and frankly amazed that with all the large-scale goals thusfar achieved by the FSP movement, lowering or even abolishing property taxation has not been among them.

Good news on that front!
Cutting spending can be a bi-partisan effort in New Hampshire. Yesterday the 26 Republican and 17 Democrat member group that controls the Merrimack County budget voted 32-1 for a new budget that is 2.8 percent less than last year's budget. With more liberty lovers in NH, this could happen in all 10 counties! www.concordmonitor.com/article/318632/county-budget-for-2012-okayed

But seriously, I think you may be misunderstanding how NH as a state functions. It functions very differently from most other places in the world. NH has by far the most decentralized state government in the US in how taxes are raised and spending is controlled.

The state government is funded by various things but most of the money comes from the excise/sales taxes on most prepared food, prepared drinks, hotel rooms, car rentals, the regulation of liquor and wine, various fees like the real estate transfer tax, the lottery (which was created in NH as a way to avoid a general sales or income tax) and from corporate taxes (which can be partly or wholly avoided by small businesses.) There is no general sales or personal income tax to fund the state government, like in every other state except AK. AK gets massive amounts of money from the federal government and it's corporate taxes, though. NH doesn't get the handouts and doesn't have a ton of oil it can tax. Most of the urban areas of AK have local sales tax, something banned in NH.

Counties have few responsibilities in NH. That article I posted above explains what counties do in NH. Counties collect little in taxes but what they do collect if from property taxes. The state Reps. in the county decide the budget so it is important to get as many libertarian state Reps. as possible in NH. With 200 libertarian leaning state Reps., even county could reduce it's budget every year, thus reducing property taxes.

Schools are paid for almost entirely with local funds. Local funds also pay much of the costs of town roads, police, fire and so on. These local funds are mostly property taxes and neither counties nor local governments are allowed to create sales or income taxes. In most towns, the residents of the town get together and go over the proposed budget. The residents may decide to cut things from the budget or add things to the budget. Once the residents have gone over the budget and town issues (this takes a few hours to a couple days, depending on how much the residents want to debate the issues), the property tax rate for the town is sit so that it covers all of the agreed upon spending. The same thing happens with school districts. People have less power to decide the school budget though because there are more state and federal mandates.

Free staters and other liberty lovers are doing a lot to reduce property taxes, and overall taxes and spending. For example, starting in 2012, towns may vote in spending caps, tax caps or both. Some people are trying to work much more choice into government schools including scholarships provided by businesses. Unfortunately, the NH Supreme Court keeps getting in the way. My guess is that most of the people on the NH Supreme Court are statists. They don't like that state taxes are so much lower in NH than all other states (especially in the Northeast) and they don't care about what the NH Constitution says. They just want to increase taxes and so they purposely misinterpret the NH Constitution. It probably annoys them that since taxes are so locally controlled in NH, that people in certain towns pay 1/3 of the property taxes people pay in certain other towns.

For example, the NH Constitution (along with the VT Constitution) may be interpreted to say that there is zero requirement for the state government to spend a single penny on government schools. However, some of the towns/cities in NH didn't like that the state government gave very little money to help fund government schools in NH. The towns sued and the NH Supreme Court ruled that the state government does have to help fund government schools in every district. The state government decided to create a property tax scheme to do this instead of create a state sales or personal income tax. The state decided to add a line to every towns property taxes and call it a state tax, even though the state doesn't get the money, the schools do. The state does raise the money, either, the towns do. It is a very unpopular scheme that both the current Democratic governor and almost all Republicans want to end. People have been trying to end it for years but the very pro-liberty Republicans are preventing it from ending because they are so principled. In order to get enough votes to likely pass a constitutional amendment to end the scheme, the amendment would have to say that it is partially the state's responsibility to pay for government schools. Since the NH Constitution can currently be interpreted that the state has no responsibility to even give a penny, the principled Republicans don't want to give that up.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Yeah, but we live in the house my wife grew up in, and she has more family members than I can count on 2 hands within babysitting range. There is no real draw for ME; but i'm only half of the equation. How's the nursing field up there -- employment wise? Cuz NJ is booming with all the old farts.

Nursing and medical, both are doing well.

Sister in law will be getting into the field when brother moves.

Employment in general is good.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Very nice summation.

+rep

Oh and God damn Claremont.

Good news on that front!
Cutting spending can be a bi-partisan effort in New Hampshire. Yesterday the 26 Republican and 17 Democrat member group that controls the Merrimack County budget voted 32-1 for a new budget that is 2.8 percent less than last year's budget. With more liberty lovers in NH, this could happen in all 10 counties! www.concordmonitor.com/article/318632/county-budget-for-2012-okayed

But seriously, I think you may be misunderstanding how NH as a state functions. It functions very differently from most other places in the world. NH has by far the most decentralized state government in the US in how taxes are raised and spending is controlled.

The state government is funded by various things but most of the money comes from the excise/sales taxes on most prepared food, prepared drinks, hotel rooms, car rentals, the regulation of liquor and wine, various fees like the real estate transfer tax and from corporate taxes (which can be partly or wholly avoided by small businesses.) There is no general sales or personal income tax to fund the state government, like in every other state except AK. AK gets massive amounts of money from the federal government and it's corporate taxes, though. NH doesn't get the handouts and doesn't have a ton of oil it can tax.

Counties have few responsibilities in NH. That article I posted above explains what counties do in NH. Counties collect little in taxes but what they do collect if from property taxes. The state Reps. in the county decide the budget so it is important to get as many libertarian state Reps. as possible in NH. With 200 libertarian leaning state Reps., even county could reduce it's budget every year, thus reducing property taxes.

Schools are paid for almost entirely with local funds. Local funds also pay much of the costs of town roads, police, fire and so on. These local funds are mostly property taxes and neither counties nor local governments are allowed to create sales or income taxes. In most towns, the residents of the town get together and go over the proposed budget. The residents may decide to cut things from the budget or add things to the budget. Once the residents have gone over the budget and town issues (this takes a few hours to a couple days, depending on how much the residents want to debate the issues), the property tax rate for the town is sit so that it covers all of the agreed upon spending. The same thing happens with school districts. People have less power to decide the school budget though because there are more state and federal mandates.

Free staters and other liberty lovers are doing a lot to reduce property taxes, and overall taxes and spending. For example, starting in 2012, towns may vote in spending caps, tax caps or both. Some people are trying to work much more choice into government schools including scholarships provided by businesses. Unfortunately, the NH Supreme Court keeps getting in the way. My guess is that most of the people on the NH Supreme Court are statists. They don't like that state taxes are so much lower in NH than all other states (especially in the Northeast) and they don't care about what the NH Constitution says. They just want to increase taxes and so they purposely misinterpret the NH Constitution. It probably annoys then that since taxes are so locally controlled in NH, that people in certain towns pay 1/3 of the property taxes people pay in certain other towns.

For example, the NH Constitution (along with the VT Constitution) may be interpreted to say that there is zero requirement for the state government to spend a single penny on government schools. However, some of the towns/cities in NH didn't like that the state government gave very little money to help fund government schools in NH. The towns sued and the NH Supreme Court ruled that the state government does have to help fund government schools in every district. The state government decided to create a property tax scheme to do this instead of create a state sales or personal income tax. The state decided to add a line to every towns property taxes and call it a state tax, even though the state doesn't get the money, the schools do. The state does raise the money, either, the towns do. It is a very unpopular scheme that both the current Democratic governor and almost all Republicans want to end. People have been trying to end it for years but the very pro-liberty Republicans are preventing it from ending because they are so principled. In order to get enough votes to likely pass a constitutional amendment to end the scheme, the amendment would have to say that it is partially the state's responsibility to pay for government schools. Since the NH Constitution can currently be interpreted that the state has no responsibility to even give a penny, the principled Republicans don't want to give that up.

 

[Keith and stuff]

Too bad that does not extend to the idea of groups of people freely associating with each other carrying said weapons.

Perhaps you are talking about the theory that militias are banned in NH? That's news to me because there is a militia in the county I live in and the man in charge is open about it. I don't know why someone would want to be part of a militia in NH, but whatever.

Someone asked me about this once on here and I posted information about war reenactments and might have even mentioned that I was in one in NH. There is even an old fort in NH where reenactments happen. Heck, my uncle participates in war reenactments in northern NH.

 

[Crotale]

Of course, every 4 years NH is the most important state in the US politically.

What about Iowa? Surely NH is second most important?

 

[bolil]

I've never heard such nonsense. Are you seriously trying to say that the FSP is some sort of agency of the New World Order? Not even Alex Jones is that kooky. Despite not believing what they claim to be true myself, I respect the truther-types in the R3VOLUTION. I believe that the infowars folk are important allies, and that they are on the side of liberty. However claiming that the FSP is part of a government genocidal conspiracy is complete bonkers. It's up there with those who believe in lizard people, that Ron Paul is a freemason/illuminati/Bildeberg member and that the government run by grey aliens which use mind control.

Heh, like I said "dont be surprised when the door shuts and you smell gas." Ill be there too.

 

[specsaregood]

Have there ever been any Bigfoot sightings in NH? <----- potential deciding factor

http://www.bfro.net/GDB/state_listing.asp?state=nh

Most Recent Reports
Summer 2008, Belknap County (Class A) - Family sees Sasquatch at window several times near Gilford
March 2001, Grafton County (Class B) - Possible track find on outing
September 2004, Rockingham County (Class B) - Vocalizations heard near Rockingham

 

[Keith and stuff]

What about Iowa? Surely NH is second most important?

Not a chance. NH is considered more important than IA. Without NH, we might not even have primaries today. NH has had the 1st and most important primary in the nation since the 1950s. A Ron Paul supporter that is a Republican Committeeman in NH told me that NH created the primary, but I don't know if that is true.

The potential delegates are preselected by the campaigns in NH. The delegates are bound to the primary results. IA has unbound delegates, making a popular vote win in IA less important to campaigns and in the eyes of people that even remotely understand how delegates work.

Do you remember how the primary/caucus schedule took place this year? It was supposed to be IA, NH, SC and then NV. FL moved up and than NV was set to move up because of what FL did and/or pressure from Romney's campaign. NH played chicken with NV, saying that it may hold the NH Primary in December. NV backed down and changed it's caucus until after FL. Then NH set a date and IA was thankful that it didn't have to move it's caucus date.

Let's look at the number of candidates. 30 Republicans and 14 Democrats were on the ballot in NH. How many were on the ballot in IA? 1/4 of that? 1/8 of that?

Let's look at the polling. Polling started in NH in April 2010. Polling started in IA in May 2010, over a month later. Even though, the IA Caucus happens first. there were 58 polls in NH and 50 polls in IA according to Real Clear Politics.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...ire_republican_presidential_primary-1581.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...owa_republican_presidential_primary-1588.html

Look at debates/forums. Wikipedia says there were 4 debates in NH and 3 in IA. That doesn't count the little known candidates debate in NH, the Gingrich/Huntsman Lincoln-Douglas Debate in NH and the Granite State Patriots Liberty PAC Forum in NH, the Republican Presidential Forum On Manufacturing in IA or the Iowa Faith & Freedom Coalition Fall Presidential Forum in IA. Either way, there were more actual debates in NH than IA.

The media covered both states a lot! However, it continued covering NH for an additional week. In fact, after the complete debacle that was the IA Caucus this year, expect it to lose some credibility and be even less important than NH next time around.

 

[Crotale]

Heh, like I said "dont be surprised when the door shuts and you smell gas." Ill be there too.

I know your statement is meant figuratively but even so it defies logic. You cannot, even figuratively, shut the door to a state and start the burners. You're not making any sense I'm afraid.