Who Killed Rudy Giuliani?

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Who Killed Rudy Giuliani?
How Ron Paul won the war for conservatism’s future
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/who-killed-rudy-giuliani/

When Ron Paul leaves office in January, he will have been more successful than many of the legislators who spent decades maligning him. Paul’s ideas have gradually gone from marginal to mainstream, and his record shows how much even a single determined man of principle can do to change a movement. In foreign policy especially, the Texas congressman leaves behind a new generation of leaders, both libertarian and conservative, who challenge the disastrous bipartisan consensus.
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As it turned out, Giuliani’s biggest moment in the 2008 primary campaign was an exchange with one of the two surviving antiwar Republicans in Congress. Ron Paul was then in his tenth House term, running for president as practically an asterisk candidate, receiving just 1 percent of the vote in national polls. Giuliani led nationally as late as November 2007, beating new entry Fred Thompson by nine points in Gallup’s polling.

On May 15, 2007, the Republican contenders debated in Columbia, South Carolina. Paul argued that American intervention in the Middle East—bombings, sanctions, and efforts to destabilize foreign governments—helped turn local populations and their co-religionists against us, to the point that they would contemplate terrorist attacks like those on 9/11.

“Are you suggesting we invited the 9/11 attacks, sir?” asked the Fox News moderator. Paul had said nothing of the sort, but neither did he react to the implication behind the question as forcefully as he might have. Giuliani pounced. “That’s an extraordinary statement, as somebody who lived through the attack of Sept. 11, that we invited the attack because we were attacking Iraq,” he said. “I don’t think I’ve ever heard that before, and I’ve heard some pretty absurd explanations for September 11.”

Giuliani waited for the thunderous applause to die down, then demanded a retraction: “I would ask the congressman to withdraw that comment and tell us he didn’t really mean that.” Paul didn’t budge.

The optics were poor: a little-known congressman was standing against the GOP frontrunner on an issue where 90 percent of the party likely disagreed with him. Paul did not do enough to rebut the “blame America first” charge, while Giuliani hit all the right emotional notes. Predictably, there came calls from prominent Republicans over the next few days to exclude Paul from future debates and even throw him out of the party. Giuliani was judged the decisive winner of the exchange.

But then something surprising happened: the encounter helped galvanize a movement behind Paul while Giuliani’s campaign died a slow, painful death. Paul outperformed Giuliani in most primaries and caucuses, wrapping up his first Republican bid for the White House with more than 1 million votes. Giuliani dropped out of the race after the Florida primary and received less than 600,000 votes.

More importantly, Giuliani’s influence waned after his disappointing performance while Paul became something of a GOP rock star. He ran again for president four years later, this time topping 2 million Republican primary votes. He briefly surged to the top of the Iowa polls—eventually finishing a very strong third in the caucuses—and ran second behind Mitt Romney in New Hampshire.

When Ron Paul voted against the Iraq War in 2002, he represented conservative political tendencies from Robert Taft to Pat Buchanan that were on the wane. The conservative magazines, organizations, and third parties that dissented from hawkish foreign policy were uniformly small. There was a concerted effort to marginalize even these few “unpatriotic conservatives.”
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What began as an academic exercise became a real movement. Paul’s is the only flavor of conservatism that currently appeals to millennials and other young voters. In Iowa, he finished 35 points ahead of Romney among voters aged 17 to 29. In New Hampshire, Paul won more voters between the ages of 18 and 24 than Romney, Rick Santorum, New Gingrich, and Rick Perry combined.
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In January, Paul will retire from Congress. A decade ago, this would have signaled the effective end of antiwar conservatism as a meaningful political force. Today Paul leaves behind an entire wing of the Republican Party sympathetic to his views, some of whom identify explicitly as “Ron Paul Republicans,” while some do not.
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That’s not to say the GOP is Ron Paul’s party. Paul supporters were mistreated by party bosses in primaries and caucuses from Maine to Louisiana. Convention planners in Tampa were short-sighted and brutish in their handling of Paul delegates. But Ron Paul supporters hold important party leadership positions at the state level in Iowa, Maine, Alaska, Nevada, and elsewhere. They have won seats on the Republican National Committee. Paul’s campaign chairman will be running Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell’s 2014 reelection campaign.

The number of Republicans who more quietly are coming around to Paul’s positions is growing. Many Republicans who once wanted to read Paul out of the party now embrace him—or at least covet his voters. Former Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele went from suggesting in 2008 that Paul was in the wrong party to saying the 2012 convention planners treated him with “rudeness and stupidity.”

“Why would you alienate an individual who has the ability to attract a new generation of voters, who are already skeptical of your institution but are willing to at least listen through the vehicle of this individual and the words that he is saying?” Steele asked on Comedy Central. “Why would you alienate them, get on the floor and not let them speak?”

Even Romney, whose aides were responsible for the “rudeness and stupidity,” has been careful to avoid saying anything critical of Paul. He went so far as to allow a video tribute to a politician who had refused to endorse him to be broadcast during the convention.

Perhaps the most celebrated speech at that convention was delivered by Hollywood actor Clint Eastwood, who unlike the nominee criticized Obama for staying in Afghanistan too long. The crowd laughed and applauded. Some of them might have cheered any anti-Obama jibe, regardless of substance, but it is noteworthy that even in that setting the most popular speaker sounded more like Ron Paul than John McCain.

When Ron Paul’s remarkable congressional career comes to a conclusion, he can return to Texas with the satisfaction of knowing that his educational mission revived an honorable political tradition: an American conservatism dedicating to conserving, not destroying.
 
Excellent article. Thanks for posting. I'll say it again, you always find the best shit. LOL.
 
“Are you suggesting we invited the 9/11 attacks, sir?” asked the Fox News moderator. Paul had said nothing of the sort, but neither did he react to the implication behind the question as forcefully as he might have. Giuliani pounced. “That’s an extraordinary statement, as somebody who lived through the attack of Sept. 11, that we invited the attack because we were attacking Iraq,” he said. “I don’t think I’ve ever heard that before, and I’ve heard some pretty absurd explanations for September 11.”
Guilianai will forever be a POS in my book because of that. ^

Many Republicans who once wanted to read Paul out of the party now embrace him—or at least covet his voters.
I believe this is all it boils down to. They want those voters, but don't know how (or refuse) to attract them without also possibly alienating or invoking cognitive disonnance among an equally sized warmongering and statist sector of the party.

“Why would you alienate an individual who has the ability to attract a new generation of voters, who are already skeptical of your institution but are willing to at least listen through the vehicle of this individual and the words that he is saying?” Steele asked on Comedy Central. “Why would you alienate them, get on the floor and not let them speak?”
And this is why Romney failed, plain and simple. Will they take notice? Or just step up their propaganda and brainwashing? I can't say I'm optimistic. If the party rejects Rand Paul come '16, that'll be all she wrote for the republican party.
 
Seriously, is this a case of identity theft...or what?? LOL

Who stole Rudy??
 
And this is why Romney failed, plain and simple. Will they take notice? Or just step up their propaganda and brainwashing? I can't say I'm optimistic. If the party rejects Rand Paul come '16, that'll be all she wrote for the republican party.
Here's why I'm not optimistic: Reagan spoke our language as a candidate. After he was elected, something changed him (I have a conspiracy theory about that, but we'll save it for another time). The main point is...sure, they'll use us and Rand (maybe) to give an energy boost to a dying party, but I don't expect anything to really change.
 
I was there that night in South Carolina mentioned in the article. I shook Dr. Paul's hand and said "I think you made a lot of people think tonight, sir." He looked me in the eyes and said "I hope so." Many people consider that night to be the birth of the Ron Paul R3volution and I was there. It gives me chills.

I'll never forget watching that debate in my hotel room right down the road with handful of supporters from a Myspace group. The coordinator got a call from someone after the debate and they told us to come to the courthouse, Dr. Paul wanted to meet us. Was anyone else here there that night? I had a few beers with a guy named Kelly from North Carolina. I can't recall any of the other people's names.
 
I was there that night in South Carolina mentioned in the article. I shook Dr. Paul's hand and said "I think you made a lot of people think tonight, sir." He looked me in the eyes and said "I hope so." Many people consider that night to be the birth of the Ron Paul R3volution and I was there. It gives me chills.

I'll never forget watching that debate in my hotel room right down the road with handful of supporters from a Myspace group. The coordinator got a call from someone after the debate and they told us to come to the courthouse, Dr. Paul wanted to meet us. Was anyone else here there that night? I had a few beers with a guy named Kelly from North Carolina. I can't recall any of the other people's names.

That's a great story!
 
Thanks.

There's a picture out there on the interwebs somewhere taken from a Fox News video camera that shows 5 of us standing in front of hundreds of other candidate's supporters holding a huge Ron Paul sign that was sent by the Freedom's Phoenix guy in Arizona. We managed to sneak up front with the sign rolled up and then unfurled it right in front of the camera. I wish I could find it.
 
I was there that night in South Carolina mentioned in the article. I shook Dr. Paul's hand and said "I think you made a lot of people think tonight, sir." He looked me in the eyes and said "I hope so." Many people consider that night to be the birth of the Ron Paul R3volution and I was there. It gives me chills.

I'll never forget watching that debate in my hotel room right down the road with handful of supporters from a Myspace group. The coordinator got a call from someone after the debate and they told us to come to the courthouse, Dr. Paul wanted to meet us. Was anyone else here there that night? I had a few beers with a guy named Kelly from North Carolina. I can't recall any of the other people's names.

Watched it from a place called "Liberty Steakhouse." Dr. Paul stopped by for a brief speech and handshakes. :)
 
Who killed Rudy Giuliani?

Here is a great article explaining how far our liberty movement has come and the influence Ron Paul has made in the political arena. On a personal note, I had to post this because the debate in which Rudy Giuliani asked for a retraction from Ron Paul regarding his comments about 9/11 and Rudy calling himself a 9/11 "survivor" (simply because he lived in New York? LOL) was one of the first videos I ever saw about Ron Paul when I was just discovering the Liberty movement. It made me question our foreign policy for the first time ever (I was a total neocon) and Rudy's smug attitude disgusted me. I also respected the fact that Ron did NOT apologize and instead clarified his position correctly and effectively. How many politicians, under those circumstances, in our PC candyass world would have stuck to their guns and not offered a pandering apology? Only one. We all know who.:D

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/who-killed-rudy-giuliani/
 
Who Killed Rudy Giuliani? (Ron Paul)

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When Ron Paul leaves office in January, he will have been more successful than many of the legislators who spent decades maligning him. Paul’s ideas have gradually gone from marginal to mainstream, and his record shows how much even a single determined man of principle can do to change a movement. In foreign policy especially, the Texas congressman leaves behind a new generation of leaders, both libertarian and conservative, who challenge the disastrous bipartisan consensus.

A decade ago, only seven Republican members of Congress voted against the Iraq War—six congressmen and one senator. The number of conservative legislators who opposed the war was even smaller still, the redoubtable trio of Jimmy Duncan, John Hostettler, and Paul.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/who-killed-rudy-giuliani/
 
Guilianai will forever be a POS in my book because of that. ^

I believe this is all it boils down to. They want those voters, but don't know how (or refuse) to attract them without also possibly alienating or invoking cognitive disonnance among an equally sized warmongering and statist sector of the party.

And this is why Romney failed, plain and simple. Will they take notice? Or just step up their propaganda and brainwashing? I can't say I'm optimistic. If the party rejects Rand Paul come '16, that'll be all she wrote for the republican party.

I don't know that the warmongers are that way permanently. The neocons are the talking heads on Fox and their friends. "Realism" could sell to them.
 
Ok, so I made a bet before the 2008 primaries with a neo-con that Giulliani would not win a single primary.
I think this article is wishful thinking.

I made the bet knowing full well that I would win.

It was because Giulliani was unabashedly pro-choice, and that shit will never fly in the Republican Party.
 
“Are you suggesting we invited the 9/11 attacks, sir?” asked the Fox News moderator.
Paul had said nothing of the sort, but neither did he react to the implication behind
the question as forcefully as he might have. Giuliani pounced. “That’s an extraordinary
statement, as somebody who lived through the attack of Sept. 11, that we invited the
attack because we were attacking Iraq,” he said. “I don’t think I’ve ever heard that
before, and I’ve heard some pretty absurd explanations for September 11.”

Guilianai will forever be a POS in my book because of that. ^



I still want to see that asshole apologize for that statement.
 
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