Who do we WANT to win Florida?

[playpianoking]

Seems like Mitt needs to win. If Newt wins, that gives him a lot of momentum and he could win the 'real' anti-Romney vote thereby eliminating Santorum & Paul.

 

[AgentOrange]

Gingrich is a very good liar. Any delegates he gets, he will give to Romney if he doesn't get the nomination, so I don't think the delegates matter. So, I vote for Romney winning to stop the media hype of Gingrich (since it does seem it would take a miracle for Paul to win Florida at this point.)

 

[jolynna]

Just because we already HAVE a president who is bad, doesn't mean it isn't possible to get one who is worse.

There is no way in heck I'd ever, ever vote for a man who has stated in advance that Obama is "too timid" in the middle east. Or one that wants to increase the percentage of US GDP to "grow" the military. And that can stand, with a straight face, and say that he WOULDN'T abuse the unconstitutional NDAA that he considers a GOOD move from Obama.

Voting for either Obama OR Romney is contributing to war, an assault on our liberties and it would endanger human rights and lives all over the world. Period.

There is nothing to bicker about. Romney for sure is going to be there until the very end. His loyal supporters won't have to find somebody else to defect to.

If some of voters out there are so afraid of Iran that they can't force themselves to vote for Ron Paul yet, I am glad to have Newt and Santorum on the ballot so that if Romney wins in FL. (and chances are he will) it won't be by such a LARGE majority that the media can trumpet Romney's battle over...I do not WANT the media accepting and calling Romney the ONLY GOP choice yet.

I don't and won't put down Gingerich or Santorum here or anywhere because when their supporters HAVE to "choose" somebody "else", I don't want something I have said to be the reason somebody doesn't come over to Ron Paul. Ron Paul is grassroots, as are many of them. Romney just isn't.

With Panetta even admitting that Iran isn't going to get a nuke any time soon...if the media would calm down with the war rattling, maybe some of the people who LOVE Ron Paul's fiscal message but have been afraid of Ron Paul's foreign policy might also start thinking more rationally and see that we are approaching a time of VERY complex economic crisis and realize that someone with a GRASP of THAT situation, not a war-monger is what this country most direly needs.

I don't want MY post to hurt someone who loves everything about Newt or Santorum in a way that it gets held against Ron Paul. People who love everything about Mitt are most likely going to have him around until the very end.

 

[PauliticsPolitics]

I'm counting on a Thaddeus McCotter upset.

 

[Lisa100]

I can't in good conscience cheer for Newt Gingrich...ever.

This! lol

 

[PolicyReader]

Gingrich is a very good liar. Any delegates he gets, he will give to Romney if he doesn't get the nomination, so I don't think the delegates matter. So, I vote for Romney winning to stop the media hype of Gingrich (since it does seem it would take a miracle for Paul to win Florida at this point.)

I don't think the rules allow for Gingrich to *give* his delegates to anyone the become Unbound (unless you mean a nominating process in which Newt, Mitt, and Paul run the whole race and then it comes to a brokered convention type of situation then maybe they make a deal but even in that context I don't think Newt can actually just 'give' his delegates to someone else. Somebody site a source to correct me if I have my facts wrong but I'm pretty sure that's not how it works.

 

[Lisa100]

For every reason people do not want Obama to be re-elected, we don't want Mitt Romney elected.

The same people who bought Obama and turned Obama from being anti-war into a blood-thirsty murderer of brown-skinned people bought Romney. Obama has done MORE than any other president to take away liberties, conducting whistleblower prosecutions, covert war & civil liberty assault (continuing Patriot Act, NDAA, SOPA, ACTA) and has EVEN called the constitution, flawed and outdated. Romney said OUT LOUD in a debate that he SUPPORTS those measures. He also is on the record as being the most pro-war and has been the MOST specific in outlining how he would add MORE active duty troops (100,000), build more planes and build more ships.

WHY would Romney want MORE US GDP to BE SPENT on military? Sounds to me like somebody is expecting LOTS of WAR.

Obama was chosen because he lacked moral compass. Romney was bought for the same reason.

The financial institutes are sitting on a big bubble that could explode at any point. It is only a matter of time. And look who bought Romney. It is on opensecrets.com.

Santorum or Gingerich have NO MORE CHANCE of being elected than me.

Romney and Obama are "who" the powers in charge have chosen. Romney or Obama can be counted on should the world financially collapse. They'll keep their "buyers"--the (failed and insolvent) BANKS BAILED OUT & PROPPED UP on the taxpayers backs. Obama and Romney are the banker's safety nets so no criminal banker will ever go to jail or be held responsible for their actions.

Romney and Obama weren't bought because the bankers think they are smart business men. They were bought because they can lie smoothly and have no ethics.

In a contest between Romney and ANYBODY, I choose the ANYBODY, because I want the powers in charge to sweat. I want them to have SOME tinge of worry that they might not get their way...that they aren't safe. Which isn't an endorsement of Gingerich. Or mean I don't think he is a cheating dirty dog. As a disposed-of first wife, I have NO love for that man.

I LOVE Ron Paul. I think he and his ideals are the ONLY chance this country has. Now or in the future. Romney is the absolute POLAR opposite to EVERY SINGLE ONE of Ron Paul's principles. I wish there a way Ron Paul could win next November.

Short of that, hoping for lots of moments when people in high places WORRY and FEEL SOME DISCOMFORT...like when Gingerich beat Romney in SC or when Santorum ended up beating Romney in Iowa...give me SOME pleasure and even hope that a little light might be coming through and that SOMEBODY is waking up and rebelling. Even when people rebel for the wrong reasons, it makes me feel better when the sheep getting drug toward the slaughter house struggle and drag their slaughterers down into the mud along the way.

For all of the above stated reasons...my answer to the thread question is Gingerich.

IMO

Hey jolynna – I have seen your posts about Romney, but the way I see it, I would rather have Romney than Newt. At least he was faithful to his wife. And he is not as much of a smooth talker as Newt. Smooth talkers are the most dangerous politicians. And Romney can beat Obama. Newt cannot. Newt is hated more than Romney is, based on people I know and the comments I read on articles. Lastly, Romney has been fairer to Ron Paul than the others have.

 

[PolicyReader]

Romney and Obama share the same corporate donors and Romney has changed his stance on nearly everything under the sun.
I'm not saying Newt > Mitt. I'm saying I can't in good conscience vote for either of them.
If they don't support the liberties of the individual as outlined by the Constitution they don't deserve to hold public office as far as I'm concerned (and honestly if someone has sworn the other of office and then not supported the constitution that makes them a liar and an oath breaker by definition)

 

[jolynna]

I don't think anyone has to cheer for Newt or Rick. Just be sympathetic because their supporters are feeling VERY angry with the bias of the GOP establishment and media right now. Their supporters are NOT liking Romney very much. And the media HAS been ruthless with EVERYONE but Romney.

C'mon. It hurts to see your candidate treated unfairly. You end up resenting the opposition AND the media too. We WANT people to be jaded about what the media reports. The media SHOULD have their feet held to the fire with how they have tried to influence this election.

When their supporters HAVE to go somewhere, AND THEY WILL, we want those supporters to like us and to remember the points we've emphasized we and THEY have in common (free market, limited government, end the fed, fiscal responsibility, no more BAILING out the BIG BANKS who donated to Romney's campaign).

 

[jolynna]

Hey jolynna – I have seen your posts about Romney, but the way I see it, I would rather have Romney than Newt. At least he was faithful to his wife. And he is not as much of a smooth talker as Newt. Smooth talkers are the most dangerous politicians. And Romney can beat Obama. Newt cannot. Newt is hated more than Romney is, based on people I know and the comments I read on articles. Lastly, Romney has been fairer to Ron Paul than the others have.

I could not look my children in the eye ever again if I voted for a man who supports unconstitutional war, unlawful killing of minorities...and yes Muslims lives count...increasing our GDP spending for the industrial military complex, bailing out banks on the taxpayers backs, the WRITER of Romneycare which became Obamacare and IS going to make the pharmaceutical and insurance companies VERY, VERY rich while the least of us have less access and MORE expensive medical care than ever or a MAN who says in advance he approves of taking away civil rights (NDAA).

At LEAST Obama, in advance of being elected, PRETENDED to have character. He said he was opposed to war. He said the US shouldn't police the world. He said he WOULDN'T ever sign NDAA.

Romney isn't even PRETENDING he isn't a war-mongering fascist. He is up-front pledging to DO ALL of those things and justifying them.

It IS possible to get worse than Obama. The same people who donated to Obama in the last election bought Romney for this one.

If Ron Paul stands for nothing else, it is for the sanctity of life and upholding the constitution.

 

[jolynna]

Don't think my above post mean I think voting for Obama under any circumstances is justified.

I think Obama, like Bush, committed war crimes, destroyed civil liberties and abused his executive powers.

I think Romney has been lined up by the same corporate interests that gave us Obama, to do the same.

 

[noxnoctum]

I see a lot of people saying Newt can't win but is this really true? I know he isn't on the ballot on several states but is he missing on enough states to not have the minimum required delegates? Thanks.

 

[noxnoctum]

Hey jolynna – I have seen your posts about Romney, but the way I see it, I would rather have Romney than Newt. At least he was faithful to his wife. And he is not as much of a smooth talker as Newt. Smooth talkers are the most dangerous politicians. And Romney can beat Obama. Newt cannot. Newt is hated more than Romney is, based on people I know and the comments I read on articles. Lastly, Romney has been fairer to Ron Paul than the others have.

Don't tell me you're gonna be voting for whoever the GOP nominee is just because it's "Not Obama"...

 

[Lisa100]

I could not look my children in the eye ever again if I voted for a man who supports unconstitutional war, unlawful killing of minorities...and yes Muslims lives count...increasing our GDP spending for the industrial military complex, bailing out banks on the taxpayers backs, the WRITER of Romneycare which became Obamacare and IS going to make the pharmaceutical and insurance companies VERY, VERY rich while the least of us have less access and MORE expensive medical care than ever or a MAN who says in advance he approves of taking away civil rights (NDAA).

At LEAST Obama, in advance of being elected, PRETENDED to have character. He said he was opposed to war. He said the US shouldn't police the world. He said he WOULDN'T ever sign NDAA.

Romney isn't even PRETENDING he isn't a war-mongering fascist. He is up-front pledging to DO ALL of those things and justifying them.

It IS possible to get worse than Obama. The same people who donated to Obama in the last election bought Romney for this one.

If Ron Paul stands for nothing else, it is for the sanctity of life and upholding the constitution.

Don't think my above post mean I think voting for Obama under any circumstances is justified.

I think Obama, like Bush, committed war crimes, destroyed civil liberties and abused his executive powers.

I think Romney has been lined up by the same corporate interests that gave us Obama, to do the same.

I understand what you are saying, but Romney still does not sound as bad as Newt or Obama to me. I have done the research, and I know he is really really bad, but Obama and Newt are worse in my opinion.

 

[jolynna]

Don't tell me you're gonna be voting for whoever the GOP nominee is just because it's "Not Obama"...

If we didn't learn else anything from the last election, it is that "change" doesn't mean "change".

Obama followed through with everything that George W. Bush started. The financial institutions are still doing what they did that led to the 2008 crash (just repackaged a little). The deficit has grown. Not a single war was ended by Obama. The Iraqis kicked us out. We've got troops on the ground on more fronts. And we had to BAILOUT Fannie and Freddie to the tune of $13 billion AGAIN...just last December. Plus the unconstitutional Patriot act got expanded on January 2 and a few days ago, Obama signed ACTA.

Think things can't get worse. Vote for the next candidate bought by the same "corporate interests" that picked out our last two.

Issues not party.

 

[acptulsa]

Newt vs Paul is not as effective as Romney vs Paul. BUT, I think Ron can handle both of them.

I do not want Newt to have a snowball's chance in hell of getting to the Oval Office. He will be the final nail in the coffin of USA.

Same for Romney. Same for Santorum. Same for an Obama second term.

There is no 'aside from Ron Paul, of course.' There is Paul or no other current major party candidate.

 

[mmadness]

I think a lot of people here are confused.

The question is not whether or not you would vote for either Mitt or Newt.

The question is which candidate winning would better help Ron Paul's chances of becoming the nominee.

For me, it comes down to passionate support = delegates.

You have to understand the POV of these neo-con/establishment people that will be making up the majority of people voting in the Republican primaries.

From their point of view, those voting for Romney are voting for him because they think that he can win vs. Obama. The ones voting for Newt are the ones passionately chewing up the red meat that Newt is so good at throwing out. Romney is not seen as the "true conservative" vs. Newt or Santorum. They're not voting for Santorum because vs. Newt, Newt has the better chance as the "true conservative" vs. Romney. Of course we've already figured out that both Newt and Romney are establishment, corrupt politicians (Wall Street or K Street, take your pick).

Romney's supporters are not likely to carry the water all the way to the conventions - Newt's supporters are more passionate and more likely to, and will give us trouble at the conventions. Remember that it is the delegates who determine who the nominee is.

Why do you think we dominated Nevada's state convention in 2008 even though Romney took 51% vs. Paul's 14%? A part of that might be because that McCain had already won, but I really think Mitt's support is soft, and I'd rather Newt get kicked out ASAP.

Do not underestimate Newt. He is one of the hardest working (although erratic and ethically-challenged) politicians out there.

 

[noxnoctum]

If we didn't learn else anything from the last election, it is that "change" doesn't mean "change".

Obama followed through with everything that George W. Bush started. The financial institutions are still doing what they did that led to the 2008 crash (just repackaged a little). The deficit has grown. Not a single war was ended by Obama. The Iraqis kicked us out. We've got troops on the ground on more fronts. And we had to BAILOUT Fannie and Freddie to the tune of $13 billion AGAIN...just last December. Plus the unconstitutional Patriot act got expanded on January 2 and a few days ago, Obama signed ACTA.

Think things can't get worse. Vote for the next candidate bought by the same "corporate interests" that picked out our last two.

Issues not party.

What? You're agreeing with me I think. I'm writing in RP or voting for Gary Johnson depending on what happens, and I hope everyone else on here is too.

 

[jolynna]

I understand what you are saying, but Romney still does not sound as bad as Newt or Obama to me. I have done the research, and I know he is really really bad, but Obama and Newt are worse in my opinion.

What could possibly be "worse" than killing innocents illegally with bombs and drones?

What could be worse than expanding war? What could be worse than spending money we don't have on expanding our bloated industrial military complex. My SON is IN the military. He has been deployed 4 times. I AM SAYING WE DON'T NEED TO EXPAND OUR MILITARY with a SON about to endure ANOTHER deployment. My baby's life will be on the line for crying out loud. I want him to be well equipped.

But I imagine the Muslim mothers hurt the way I do when their children fight and face death for what THEIR leaders call "just" causes. I imagine Muslims that lose children and parents and spouses and grandparents hurt and cry and feel the same pain I would feel should I ever have to endure the "worst" thing a mother could ever face.

War, that is unconstitutional and without cause, is always, always, always wrong.

What could be worse than signing away liberties we've had for 200 years? The ones my son took an oath to defend with his life. The ones thousands of other soldiers needlessly sacrificed their lives over in unjust wars. All of which Romney said he SUPPORTS.

No. No. No. A man who spouts what Mitt Romney says he stands for is not fit for office. I don't care who is worse. Is that what we have come to? That being LESS evil is something viable? Isn't a lesser evil still an evil? And something which we should not permit under any circumstances?

 

[noxnoctum]

I agree with jolynna. Nothing will ever change if these people can count on you to eventually give them support, they don't care whether you're holding your nose doing it or not. Romney, Newt, Obama, and Santorum... none of them deserve your vote.