While I am not a supporter of Ron Paul...

[opinionatedfool]

Thanks ivash!

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Is there private chat function on this site? We could always debate there if you wanted.

You can message me if you want to discuss the issues. I would be happy to talk about the things you mentioned, especially regarding my latest post about gun control. Just click on my name and you will have the option to private message. Thanks.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

It would probably go better in a new thread started in the forums. I don't think the best minds on economics. etc. spend time in chat.

They will if they know there's a discussion in chat.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Chat is a the braindead wasteland of RPF. Worse than Hot Topics.

Definitely. I never go on it after the first couple times I did.

 

[papitosabe]

I have my disagreements with what you've said there. That should come as no surprise, since I've agreed with Ron Paul on most things as long as I've been thinking about politics (though for several years I didn't know it yet because I didn't know who he was). But in respect to you I won't attempt to debate them here. As you correctly say, it is not the place for it.

Instead, I'll just say thank you for the support.

You can message me if you want to discuss the issues. I would be happy to talk about the things you mentioned, especially regarding my latest post about gun control. Just click on my name and you will have the option to private message. Thanks.

Is there private chat function on this site? We could always debate there if you wanted.

 

[Sola_Fide]

This post really isn't a 'let me tell you why I am not a Ron Paul supporter', but the main reason is that I am a (proud) moderate. A Rockefeller Republican, if you will. I believe that the government does have a place in the economy, I believe that closing the budget will take a mix of raising revenue and cutting spending (a ration of 3 dollars cut in spending for every dollar raised in new revenue sounds about right). I believe that gun rights should be restricted (at least in cities). I have heard on this forum that Ron Paul does not actually support going back on the gold standard, but I have read on many other places that he does want to go back to it- regardless, I believe that would be disastrous.

But, as I said above, this isn't a thread about that. I just want you all to keep up the faith, and keep supporting the cause you think is right. At the very least it is good to have some people who agree with non-interventionism in the Republican Party again. I even plan to send in a donation to Dr. Paul if he does well on Super Tuesday.

Appreciate the well-wishes, but your political worldview seems mixed up to me. Mises showed a long time ago that intervention in the domestic economy is the first step to nationalism, and then eventually to intervention in foreign economies, which leads to war. The free market is the sure foundation for peace.

Also, what "place" do you think government has a role in our economy? Does it have the role to bailout politically connected rich people with money it steals from middle class and poor people? Does it have the role preventing law-abiding people from defending themselves against armed criminals? Don't these kinds of things make government seem criminal when you think about them? Why is it moral for a person in government to steal from someone, but it is immoral for a person not inside the government to steal from another?

 

[parke]

Ivash.. please note that the only crime a person that doesnt have a gun commits.. is following the law, when a robber that knows he has no weapon robs or kills him. Ive lived in plenty of cities. The only people that carry guns in places with strict gun laws are criminals. You literally support taking away the right of a person to defend himself and arm the criminals. Im not trying to be mean.. but get a grip. Had law abiding citizens been armed in cities with high crime rates, there would be less victims and more convictions and justice. Dont take my word for it.. just google the crime statistics for any city that imposed gun bans. I lived in NYC and worked in the Bronx. Its illegal to carry guns there.. and I saw more guns than Ive ever seen in my life in that one year I lived there. Most people are good, moral people. Taking away the right to defend oneself is more dangerous than allowing the majority of good people the right to defend themselves. Just my two cents.

 

[shrugged0106]

Thanks for the kind sentiments Ivash, but who do you support for the Presidency this year that best matches your views?

 

[vechorik]

Definitely. I never go on it after the first couple times I did.

I agree. New people visiting Ron Paul Forums should stay out of chat.

The OP well-wishes are appreciated. What warms my heart most is open dialog.

 

[wgadget]

I'm gonna guess he's a Romneyite.

 

[Sola_Fide]

I'm gonna guess he's a Romneyite.

Ah...he must be our secret ally then

 

[jdcole]

But...I hang out in the chat?

 

[thoughtomator]

OP seems reasonable and non-hostile... maybe not a current RP supporter, but seems to me to be on the path to be a future RP supporter.

 

[Ivash]

I'm gonna guess he's a Romneyite.

Not quite. I did rather like Tim Pawlenty earlier in the cycle, but he is out now, so I no longer have a horse in the race.

 

[nedomedo]

Thank you for your kind words and for explaining some of your disagreements with RP. I actually disagree with him on the Gold Standard and Fiat money, but I try not to mention it as much here because people will start being assholes lol

 

[lib3rtarian]

I would just like to wish 'good luck' to all of you guys tomorrow. As said in the title, I am not a supporter of Ron Paul, but I do believe that he has many important things to say, and he definitively has some positions that I would like to see the Republican party begin to adopt (primarily on foreign policy). Even if Dr. Paul does not win this election, you all have already made many people think deeply about their views on a variety of issues. That alone can be seen as a form of success.

So, again, good luck tomorrow. I will be rooting for Dr. Paul to win at least one state.

Thanks mate. God knows we need all the luck we can get.

I can certainly appreciate people like you who knows Paul's message, but just has a different opinion. Contrast that to people in Paul's own party who purposefully distorts his message.

Regarding your differences in opinion, pretty sure that after talking with the guys here you will have a different view, but we will leave that up to you if you want to follow that route or not.

Beware though - once you "GET" it, you cannot "UNGET" it. Your life will be changed forever. I know mine did.

 

[DerailingDaTrain]

Not quite. I did rather like Tim Pawlenty earlier in the cycle, but he is out now, so I no longer have a horse in the race.

He endorsed Romney. Why not him?

 

[papitosabe]

Thank you for your kind words and for explaining some of your disagreements with RP. I actually disagree with him on the Gold Standard and Fiat money, but I try not to mention it as much here because people will start being assholes lol

for those that disagree on the gold standard / fiat debate, could you explain something for me please, because I see the same disagreement in other forums and I'm just trying to understand.

1. RP speaks of a gold standard, but I think I've also heard him speak of competing currencies, not sure what options that gives. Is that not a good thing?

2. If you don't support this gold backing he speaks of, why would you back a system where the dollar keeps devalueing?

3. If you don't support a new system, are you fine with the FED, or would you prefer a new system? if so, what system?

4. If you do support the FED, are you against the bailouts they and the gov't have done?

5. What are your thoughts on the statement that has been made on silver/gold pricing goes up, but the dollar goes down? I don't understand how someone could disagree with RP wanting to get rid of this current system.

I'm probably oversimplifying things, as its prob way more complicated, but thats just how I see it. I may be way off.

 

[millercards]

It should also be noted that once things are outlawed, those items just give the black market more power.

Imagine where gangs and cartels would be if no one bought drugs or guns from them.

 

[azxd]

Ivash,
I'll just say think you and that I'll look for a future thread(s) where the items you have mentioned can be discussed individually.