While I am not a supporter of Ron Paul...

[LibertyEagle]

Thank you for your kind words and for explaining some of your disagreements with RP. I actually disagree with him on the Gold Standard and Fiat money, but I try not to mention it as much here because people will start being assholes lol

This is interesting. Would you please explain why you prefer fiat money whose valuation is left up to the whims of a private cabal of bankers?

 

[D.A.S.]

I think we need to be grateful and welcoming to have folks like Ivash on this forum. While our convictions are very strong, we need to continue to listen to other points of view and brainstorm together on the best course for our country. Ron Paul is an incredible inspiration to us all with his honesty, principle, consistency, and utmost respect for the Constitution. We know the current system is broken in a lot of ways, and we root for Ron Paul because we know he is the one politician who can never be bought or sold. But we must realize also that Ron Paul may not have ALL the answers in his policies and convictions and that we as individuals still need to think for ourselves and dig for the truth and stick with our convictions, if those convictions are coming from the right sources. So please take care not to flame or disrespect folks like Ivash but instead to cultivate intelligent conversation and politely debate the views.

 

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

Very nice remarks and even though you are not a supporter we welcome you here and maybe we can learn something from each other. I would like to stick up for the bulk of the chatters though. There are some very brilliant people who are regulars in chat and a wide range of topics are discussed as well as planning for many events. Chat tends to joke around a lot though since so many of the people there have been friends for years and have met each other at events all across the country. It is also a place where you can sometimes leave politics at the door and just discuss whatever is on your mind or just share a few laughs and blow off some steam. So come into chat anytime you like as I know many people would love to have a great discussion with you on a wide variety of topics.

 

[Philosophy_of_Politics]

Appreciate your compliment OP. However, like many of us here, we do caution you to choose wisely. What's on the line is more important than our personal beliefs. Already be open-minded, and research. You have a good one!

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Chat is a the braindead wasteland of RPF. Worse than Hot Topics.

This ^^

 

[asurfaholic]

Welcome.. and thanks for the kind words!

 

[nedomedo]

This is interesting. Would you please explain why you prefer fiat money whose valuation is left up to the whims of a private cabal of bankers?

I think gold can be manipulated just as much as federal reserve notes, and besides who has all the gold?

I am a greenbacker.

 

[DerailingDaTrain]

I think gold can be manipulated just as much as federal reserve notes, and besides who has all the gold?

I am a greenbacker.

fail

 

[cdc482]

We need more people like Ivash.
I am a libertarian, but I will proudly vote for Ralph Nader and other honest progressives.

 

[cstarace]

We need more people like Ivash.
I am a libertarian, but I will proudly vote for Ralph Nader and other honest progressives.

Then you do so in defiance of Dr. Paul and this movement; never compromise when it comes to the Constitution. Ever.

 

[freedomforever!]

Then you do so in defiance of Dr. Paul and this movement; never compromise when it comes to the Constitution. Ever.

Yes! So true.

 

[ssjevot]

I'll take an honest progressive/socialist over a fake like Romney any day of the week.

 

[Ivash]

We need more people like Ivash.
I am a libertarian, but I will proudly vote for Ralph Nader and other honest progressives.

I'm, uh, not much of a progressive. I'm just a moderate. I feel like the center is the best place to bring people together and to make the country a better place.

And thanks for the compliments, everyone. I know I disagree with people here more than, well, almost everyone, but that's probably because almost everyone here is a supporter of Ron Paul except for me. That makes me see the world differently than ya'll (not saying that is a good thing or a bad thing, it just is), and so I don't see a lot of things you guys see. For instance, I don't believe that significant fraud is occurring, or that Romney has no chance of beating Obama- though I admit that his chances aren't great at all. But I'm fairly reasonable (on most, but not all, topics), so a persuasive argument can convince me one way or the other.

 

[sailingaway]

I'm, uh, not much of a progressive. I'm just a moderate. I feel like the center is the best place to bring people together and to make the country a better place.

And thanks for the compliments, everyone. I know I disagree with people here more than, well, almost everyone, but that's probably because almost everyone here is a supporter of Ron Paul except for me. That makes me see the world differently than ya'll (not saying that is a good thing or a bad thing, it just is), and so I don't see a lot of things you guys see. For instance, I don't believe that significant fraud is occurring, or that Romney has no chance of beating Obama- though I admit that his chances aren't great at all. But I'm fairly reasonable (on most, but not all, topics), so a persuasive argument can convince me one way or the other.

People here can have different beliefs and don't always express them. I don't mind honest beliefs, even if they are in the middle. It is compromise to the point of having no principles that disgusts me. And some people considered to be 'in the middle' are really that, imho, at least in DC.

Thanks for your comments, though.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

weird post is weird.

 

[Evangelical_Protestant]

I have a hard time agreeing to disagree. My stance allow people to pursue what they think are their interest, other people's stance take alot of my ability to pursue what I think are my interests away from me.
I choose to love you, but still proclaim you my political enemy.

 

[unknown]

This post really isn't a 'let me tell you why I am not a Ron Paul supporter', but the main reason is that I am a (proud) moderate. A Rockefeller Republican, if you will. I believe that the government does have a place in the economy, I believe that closing the budget will take a mix of raising revenue and cutting spending (a ration of 3 dollars cut in spending for every dollar raised in new revenue sounds about right). I believe that gun rights should be restricted (at least in cities). I have heard on this forum that Ron Paul does not actually support going back on the gold standard, but I have read on many other places that he does want to go back to it- regardless, I believe that would be disastrous.

Well, at-least you admit youre not a fiscal nor a small government conservative.

Three dollars cut for every new dollar raised. You may be the first Republican Ive come across who thinks we should raise taxes, that the government doesnt take enough of our money.

And who outlaws guns in the cities, the federal government? People deserve the right to defend themselves, even in New York.

Dont know if its possible to go back to the gold standard but yes it would be nice if the government were forced to be fiscally conservative and if we could redeem our dollars for the gold allegedly held in Fort Knox. But we had to fund yet another war at the time, Vietnam and many more since then.

 

[patriot2008]

The chat varies a lot, just as it would on any other site that is not highly controlled. It's great to pick up quick links and instant info, especially during an event. At other times it can be more social, entertaining, or even people venting or being silly. It's a chat, take it for what you want, anyone could be there, even including very worthwhile, helpful, dedicated Ron Paul supporters. The chat can be enjoyable, if not check it at different times or try to make it better. There seems to ofter be a variety of people there, some pretty knowledgeable, that also participate in threads, and discuss threads and news there. The people who post in threads also vary a lot too, so do the posts, but overall this is the best forum on the net. Try the chat, or try it again and bring some positives.

 

[Ivash]

Well, at-least you admit youre not a fiscal nor a small government conservative.

Three dollars cut for every new dollar raised. You may be the first Republican Ive come across who thinks we should raise taxes, that the government doesnt take enough of our money.

And who outlaws guns in the cities, the federal government? People deserve the right to defend themselves, even in New York.

Dont know if its possible to go back to the gold standard but yes it would be nice if the government were forced to be fiscally conservative and if we could redeem our dollars for the gold allegedly held in Fort Knox. But we had to fund yet another war at the time, Vietnam and many more since then.

Well, first and foremost, when I say raising revenue I don't actually mean raising taxes. What I mean is that there are way too many loopholes for way too many special interests, and that cutting them all will raise revenue. Multiple reports I have seen show that we could even lower taxes if we cut out some of the more ridiculous loopholes, and in all honesty I have no problem whatsoever with the government making those companies and interests pay the amount that they should.

As for gun laws, I'm actually increasingly apathetic about them. They have worked in some cases (such as in England, where the amount of people that die by bullet wounds is something like 50 a year, or, in other words, insignificantly small), but a bit of fact checking on my part shows that more often than not they don't work in the United States. If they don't work in the US, then I'm against the US restricting guns. When I have more time I'll go over some more facts and see where they lead me. I even changed that post to indicate my evolving beliefs.

Finally, I also believe going to the gold standard would be an utter disaster.

 

[sailingaway]

Ron wants competing currency so you can save in precious metal and not pay capital gains tax when you spend it, so your life savings on retirement don't depreciate at the whim of Fed action. Bernanke even said he'd be very glad to speak to Ron about that. I think it is going to be his legacy legislation, to be honest, in the House.

But what he really wants, Constitution aside, is a basket of commodities backing money, Hayek style. But if you look at his 'Plan to Restore America' which goes for an entire presidential term, that isn't in it. It is a philosophical position to work towards. Much of his philosophy is that, but he has interim steps to move in that direction. In that case, that would be competing currencies allowed, such as gold and silver, for those who want to use them.