Ozwest
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Bailouts: Where were the "Tea Parties" during the Bush Era?
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These people are just upset Obama won over McCain. They don't give a shit about libertarian principles. Besides, personally I think Obama is the lesser of two evils if compared to McCain anyway. All these tea parties and rallies are more about demonstrating against Obama than actually caring about the principles, and that's how it's going to be viewed by the general population.
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You need to follow the money.
Alright, well, the first step is to bring all the troops home and end the world empire. Let's see how many of these people are on board with that.
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No I won't. I have all my investments in gold/silver/oil and shorting Treasury bonds.
...and what does that have to do with these people having no credibility?
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I'm guessing your a player.
Two years ago I liquidated all my equities and super.
That's why I go long.
But I wonder...where were these people during the Bush years?
A) The "tea party" phenomenon amongst everyday non-libertarian Americans will fade away.
B) The Republican Party, Hannity, Fox, etc. will score some points without REAL CHANGE in how our population approaches government waste/ spending.
What do you think?
People were asleep during the bush years. Thanks to some or most of the people reading this and the internet. That is changing.
A) Today I went to the tea party in my city. Before I went I was at a point where I began to despair because I wasnt sure everyone would stay the course. But then I came home and saw that Hannity, Oriely and Beck all had specials about the tea party. There was some rediculous woman from CNN who seemed to be acting as though she were in the middle of a group of people on the verge of riot. Then you see all these people behind her as calm as lambs standing there holding signs. It was the most blatantly silly display of bias I have ever witnessed on any news station. The clip was titled "CNN reporter harassed by protestors" or some such nonsense.
My point is that before today I wouldn't call the situation bleak but I had seen signs and hints here and there. People talking about how things were slowing down. But today 800 cities had a rally for the same thing on the same day and it was all over television. People are going to see what these rallies are really about and the simple common sense things these speakers are talking about. I have a feeling that today is going to mark a big turning point for this movement. The biggest reason most people are unaware of the things that are going on is because it doesn't come out of that box in everyone's living room. But today it did. So all those with the intelligence enough to understand have now been exposed to our philosophy. Perhaps I'm wrong. But why did you become interested? You heard something I imagine. Well now millions of people just heard something. I'm very curious to see how this is going to play out.
Thats my long winded way of saying no I don't think its going to fade away. I think it just got started.
B) The topic of the tea party today seemed to be how it isn't any longer about party lines. The only real lines are no longer between republicans and democrats. The TRUTH is that this is a system that is contrived in the interest of making you believe you have a choice when you don't. So you fight amongst yourselves while men who already have more wealth and power than they could ever possibly need rob you blind. However, as I said the message today seemed to be the us and them are the people and the government and quite frankly that is the only way we are going to gain any ground at all. Its time to hang up the old feuds. The people, who are your country and not the government as they would have you believe, need you.
This topic at this time is a topic that effects the entire future of this planet. Look around you. The rest of the world has gone absolutly insane. There are two things I know for sure.
One is, If we lose America, we lose the world. This country is the last hope the world has for any kind of free and peaceful life. When this time is over the world will be a communist war state or it will be free as it was after the original revolution. I only hope the costs aren't so high. That is why it is important to show up now. Before it gets that far.
and two, If the world is going to come out of this with any kind of hope left. It will be America that leads the charge.
I taped the speakers and I intend to put it on youtube but this will be the first time Ive done that so it may take some time for editing but Ill post it when its done.
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It is great to see so many people across the country take to the streets to demand limited taxes, limited government and zero tolerance for bailouts, etc.
But I wonder...where were these people during the Bush years?
I don't mean the hardcore RP and libertarian people who have been tea partying for years.
I'm talking about the Hannity and Rush "conservatives" who laughed at Dr. Paul during the debates and supported big government (Department of "Defense") Republicans like Giuliani.
Bush was all about the Prescription Drug Bill, Homeland "Security" Department, NASA Mission to Mars, Iraq War of Choice, Federal Employee pay raises, etc.
But I don't remember any Fox News Channel sponsored rallies or AM talk radio encouraged marches and chants of "We're mad as hell and we're not going to take it anymore" from 2001 - 2008.
This makes me think that:
A) The "tea party" phenomenon amongst everyday non-libertarian Americans will fade away.
B) The Republican Party, Hannity, Fox, etc. will score some points without REAL CHANGE in how our population approaches government waste/ spending.
What do you think?
You really can't figure that out for yourself?
It's called an awakening. It's not president-specific...... but in Obama's case he didn't help himself any with his actions.
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As we get ready to march in Africa, you still think Obama is gonna do that?
During the Bush era, critism, questioning, were considered acts of betryal unpatriotic and acts of heresy. I should know as I was the only one in the local orginzed GOP who dared. I am the only person in the county who has ever uttered the words RHINO and neo con I live in the world of true believers In '06 I made the mistake of saying, on election day that if Bush had fired Rumsfeld, we could have held the House I was screamed at, but hey we lost the Houseand then he got fired!But then at the end of '07 every candidate was saying"mistakes were made" we forgot or roots I pointed out that perhaps if someone had done something BEFORE that he would not have destroyed the republican party. I had to stay away for 3 months befor I could come back.
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It is great to see so many people across the country take to the streets to demand limited taxes, limited government and zero tolerance for bailouts, etc.
But I wonder...where were these people during the Bush years?
What do you think?
I heard plenty people telling the republicans to stop the spending, their voices never got heard , not where all can hear them though.
Where does any financial conservative have a voice in government or the media?
Ron Paul is shut out, so are the people like him, supporters or not.
Obama has over loaded the mule, and even mules kick when the load gets too heavy.
He preached against the Bush policies and has doubled and tripled them for the change he promised.
The people who support him are into his person and don't care what he does to the country.
Ditto...
Republicans don't want to cut spending. They just want to re-direct the spending to "kill all the terrorists."
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I remember when Bush and Paulson were promoting the first bailout, it made me really sick.
That's when I searched the internet for some people to talk to. And I joined the RP forums, and found some badly needed common sense to restore my sanity and hope.
These events, even if hijacked by FOX and mocked by MSNBC, are nevertheless bringing publicity to Ron Paul and also the libertarian movement. And that means more people will join the forums, just like I did 6 months ago.
That's when I searched the internet for some people to talk to. And I joined the RP forums, and found some badly needed common sense to restore my sanity and hope.
These events, even if hijacked by FOX and mocked by MSNBC, are nevertheless bringing publicity to Ron Paul and also the libertarian movement. And that means more people will join the forums, just like I did 6 months ago.
