Where Scotland failed, could New Hampshire succeed?

I would like to see Scotland and Quebec secede peacefully. Then the Federal government might be less likely to respond to a state leaving the union with its usual knee-jerk reaction of killing everybody.
 
Demigod said:
Might makes right.

Until there is enough people that would die for independence there will be none,whether it is obtained by voting or weapons.The Scots simply chose pensions and government jobs instead of independence.You can't blame the English for voter fraud when you can't even inspire more than 50% of your people that independence is better.Going into that vote with anything less than 60-70% support is shameful.
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Support for independence by citizens of the original American colonies was as low as 20% at the time of the Revolution, and never higher than 40%. What is needed are supporters who were, and are "ready to to take up arms" and risk their careers, assets and reputation ("lives, fortunes and sacred honor") to see freedom done. It also requires a fortunate set of "perfect storm" circumstances---in the case of the War, an ocean separating Britain from the colonies, French assistance, the British tiring of fighting off the "mountain people" and other "religious nuts with guns" (PJ O'Rouke's great term) who started this country, and Parliament pulling the plug on funding the war in 1782.
 
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Anti Federalist said:
I must have missed that part.

Somebody please point out where the 1787 constitution makes secession illegal?
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Some random person's comment means nothing. New Hampshire was the first state to leave England. It was the state that when it joined the union, the US became official and has the right to revolution in the NH state Constitution.
 
Anything East of the Mississippi is already doomed. New England is a wasteland waiting to happen once the SHTF. Maybe some of the southern states can sqeak by, but it's too crowding and too many free-shit-army zombies there.

No way... if any state is going to secede, it will be in the midwest like Texas, or possibly Alaska or Hawaii. I don't see any secession movements really happening though.
 
jllundqu said:
Anything East of the Mississippi is already doomed. New England is a wasteland waiting to happen once the SHTF. Maybe some of the southern states can sqeak by, but it's too crowding and too many free-shit-army zombies there.

No way... if any state is going to secede, it will be in the midwest like Texas, or possibly Alaska or Hawaii. I don't see any secession movements really happening though.
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Texas would be the 14th largest economy in the world. It also has nukes.

I'm not sure if the 1861 interpretation of the Constitution with regard to secession, still holds true, when nukes are involved.
 
jllundqu said:
Anything East of the Mississippi is already doomed. New England is a wasteland waiting to happen once the SHTF. Maybe some of the southern states can sqeak by, but it's too crowding and too many free-shit-army zombies there.
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That's a pretty bold statement. Northern New England are the #1, #2 and #3 states for locally grown food/farm stands/farmer's markets/co-ops. Northern New England is also the region that Ron Paul did much better in than any other in 2012. New England as a whole was Ron Paul 2nd best region. The Southwest would be worst hit because the water would run out. New England used to export ice to the South. That might happen again. Europeans have been living in NH since 1623 and doing fine at it. They got along before they started the Industrial Revolution (which was started in MA and NH). It started here because of the many rivers, since there is an unlimited supply of water, were used to create power. Even back in the 1700s, the best educated people in the US were in New England. That is still true today.

Percentage of total state population voting for Ron Paul in the Republican Primary or Republican Caucus, ranked highest to lowest (and the 2008 percentage):
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...state-population-voting-for-Ron-Paul-compared
1. New Hampshire 4.3% (1.4%)
2. Vermont 2.4% (0.4%)
3. Montana 2% (1.7%)
4. South Carolina 1.7% (0.4%)
19. Texas 0.7% (0.3%)

Ron Paul Endorsements from US and state legislators
http://nhfreedom.wordpress.com/2012/06/29/ronpaulendorsements/
80 total endorsements. 33 or 41% from New Hampshire. 10 or 13% from Maine. VT and RI also had 2 so 59% of Ron Paul's legislative endorsements came from New England. The highest ranking legislator to endorse Ron Paul was Senator Rand Paul. Out of the 5 early states of IA, NH, SC, FL and NV, 80% of the endorsements came from NH legislators.

Ron Paul Support by Region as of 6/26/12
Dark red shows the most amount support for Ron Paul. Bright green shows the least amount of support for Ron Paul.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/entry.php?691-Ron-Paul-Support-by-Region-final-chart
The strongest regions for Ron Paul are:
Northern New England 28% (VT, NH, ME) (dark red)
New England 22% (VT, NH, ME, MA, RI, CT) (orange)
Canadian Border 22% (AK, WA, ID, MT, ND, MN, WI, MI, NY, VT, NH, ME) (orange)
Pacific Northwest 20% (AK, WA, OR, ID) (orange)
Northeast 19% (ME, NH, VT, MA, RI, CT, NY, PA, NJ) (orange)
Southeast 12% (VA, WV, KY, NC, SC, TN, AK, LA, MS, AL, GA, FL) (green)
Southwest 11% (NV, UT, CO, AZ, NM, TX, OK) (green)
Mexican Border 10% (CA, AZ, NM, TX) (green)
Gulf Coast 7% (TX, LA, MS, AL, FL) (green)
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Keith and stuff said:
That's a pretty bold statement. Northern New England are the #1, #2 and #3 states for locally grown food/farm stands/farmer's markets/co-ops. Northern New England is also the region that Ron Paul did much better in than any other in 2012. New England as a whole was Ron Paul 2nd best region. The Southwest would be worst hit because the water would run out. New England used to export ice to the South. That might happen again. Europeans have been living in NH since 1623 and doing fine at it. They got along before they started the Industrial Revolution (which was started in MA and NH). It started here because of the many rivers, since there is an unlimited supply of water, were used to create power. Even back in the 1700s, the best educated people in the US were in New England. That is still true today.

Percentage of total state population voting for Ron Paul in the Republican Primary or Republican Caucus, ranked highest to lowest (and the 2008 percentage):
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...state-population-voting-for-Ron-Paul-compared
1. New Hampshire 4.3% (1.4%)
2. Vermont 2.4% (0.4%)
3. Montana 2% (1.7%)
4. South Carolina 1.7% (0.4%)
19. Texas 0.7% (0.3%)

Ron Paul Endorsements from US and state legislators
http://nhfreedom.wordpress.com/2012/06/29/ronpaulendorsements/
80 total endorsements. 33 or 41% from New Hampshire. 10 or 13% from Maine. VT and RI also had 2 so 59% of Ron Paul's legislative endorsements came from New England. The highest ranking legislator to endorse Ron Paul was Senator Rand Paul. Out of the 5 early states of IA, NH, SC, FL and NV, 80% of the endorsements came from NH legislators.

Ron Paul Support by Region as of 6/26/12
Dark red shows the most amount support for Ron Paul. Bright green shows the least amount of support for Ron Paul.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/entry.php?691-Ron-Paul-Support-by-Region-final-chart
The strongest regions for Ron Paul are:
Northern New England 28% (VT, NH, ME) (dark red)
New England 22% (VT, NH, ME, MA, RI, CT) (orange)
Canadian Border 22% (AK, WA, ID, MT, ND, MN, WI, MI, NY, VT, NH, ME) (orange)
Pacific Northwest 20% (AK, WA, OR, ID) (orange)
Northeast 19% (ME, NH, VT, MA, RI, CT, NY, PA, NJ) (orange)
Southeast 12% (VA, WV, KY, NC, SC, TN, AK, LA, MS, AL, GA, FL) (green)
Southwest 11% (NV, UT, CO, AZ, NM, TX, OK) (green)
Mexican Border 10% (CA, AZ, NM, TX) (green)
Gulf Coast 7% (TX, LA, MS, AL, FL) (green)
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That's all well and good, but you are still surrounded by zombies. The sheer population density, the vast majority of which are major city statists, makes it pointless to even consider in that region. Then you take into account the politics of the region, which again is overwhelmingly statist, and it's a lose/lose situation.

Again... NO THANKS. There are many good liberty minded people up there, but you are outnumbered 1million to one. I'll take my wide open spaces, guns, and farmland out here any day of the week before choosing New England.

I'll visit you in the summer though :)
 
jllundqu said:
Anything East of the Mississippi is already doomed. New England is a wasteland waiting to happen once the SHTF. Maybe some of the southern states can sqeak by, but it's too crowding and too many free-shit-army zombies there.

No way... if any state is going to secede, it will be in the midwest like Texas, or possibly Alaska or Hawaii. I don't see any secession movements really happening though.
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+Rep. Keith's love for the FSP has blinded him to the reality of secession politics. Texans in particular, and others in the South and West, are far more likely to support secession.
 
jllundqu said:
That's all well and good, but you are still surrounded by zombies. The sheer population density, the vast majority of which are major city statists, makes it pointless to even consider in that region. Then you take into account the politics of the region, which again is overwhelmingly statist, and it's a lose/lose situation.

Again... NO THANKS. There are many good liberty minded people up there, but you are outnumbered 1million to one. I'll take my wide open spaces, guns, and farmland out here any day of the week before choosing New England.

I'll visit you in the summer though :)
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Hardly anyone lives near me. I have acres and acres of woods in the back and acres and acres of woods in the front. There is also a river here. There are no major cities within hours. I am not sure what you are talking about. Actually, the one guy that has studied SHTF stuff the most suggests that the Cumberland Plateau of rural TN/KY is the best place in the Eastern US followed by Northern NH/ME (both in New England), if I am not mistaken. Check out Strategic Relocation by Joel Skousen.

What about machine guns? New England is tops in machine guns. It is also tops in gun manufacturing.

Machine guns by state, New Hampshire wins
http://nhfreedom.wordpress.com/2013/01/22/machine-guns-by-state-new-hampshire-wins/
Top 5 States:
1. NH 7.47
2. CT 6.13
3. MD 4.03
4. VA 3.69
5. ME 3.51

Bottom 5 States:
46. DE 0.62
47. RI 0.57
48. WA 0.55
49. NY 0.38
50. HI 0.31

TX and some of the Midwestern states:
37. KS 1.14
38. WI 1.12
39. NE 1.10
40. TX 1.10
41. IA 1.06
 
Keith and stuff said:
That's a pretty bold statement. Northern New England are the #1, #2 and #3 states for locally grown food/farm stands/farmer's markets/co-ops. Northern New England is also the region that Ron Paul did much better in than any other in 2012. New England as a whole was Ron Paul 2nd best region. The Southwest would be worst hit because the water would run out. New England used to export ice to the South. That might happen again. Europeans have been living in NH since 1623 and doing fine at it. They got along before they started the Industrial Revolution (which was started in MA and NH). It started here because of the many rivers, since there is an unlimited supply of water, were used to create power. Even back in the 1700s, the best educated people in the US were in New England. That is still true today.
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You mean a bunch of arrogant damn Yankees. The great minds of early America were largely located Virginia. New England forgot about States Rights and the Constitution by the 1860s.
 
Rifleman said:
NH, ME and VT should secede together.
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I hope and pray for the day.

Quebec secession would make this much more doable.

Consider: QE secession isolates the Canadian Maritimes.

NH - VT - ME tire of dicates from the fedgov on fishing and timber.

Secede and ally with with Canadian Maritimes who are even more pissed at the Ottawa government.

Form the "Atlantic Alliance" with ice free ports, hi tech, fisheries, oil, timber and coal along with stunning natural beauty for tourism.

Win.
 
William Tell said:
It is a known fact that people down here are more likely to support secession, that is not a promise that liberty would come after secession. Y'all up there have not stopped the police state yet either.
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No, sadly we have not.

I see this talk of secession in TX the same as I do in VT.

High when the Blue Team is in the White House.

Low when the Red Team is.

Trying my damnedest to get the idea out there that it does not matter, red or blue, yer still fucked.

I swear though, it is like trying to talk a battered woman into leaving her abuser.
 
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