Where Have Grassroots Efforts been HARMFUL???

[1836]

Well, I wasn't going to mention this because I figured..."What the hell?" But now that you have -- technically speaking, we are not engaged in a "revolution", per say, but a retrograde action. We are in fact, like most Republicans, reactionaries.

Consequently, if Dr. Paul's message would have been described as a reactionary force rather than a revolutionary force, Republicans would have understood and received it better.

Indeed. Ron Paul is, after all, a conservative.

 

[Revolution9]

Do you want grassroots efforts to be successful or not?

They are. IMO the most harm comes to the grassroots from these kinds of posts that seems well meaning but kill enthusiasm. As stated. There would be no campaign without us. The free radicals were the groundswell core on the internet and johnney come laters try to make them conform to some dockers and polo shirt paradigm and claim they hurt the movement by being what they were while the movement grew. I think these well intentioned, but misinformed people, who generally do not live in major urban areas have helped kill the donation cycle as well. They are tolerantly intolerant of those different for them and seem to think marginalising them will make the grassroots grow. I see the opposite effect. In fact at points it has appeared downright hypocrtical to be n a movement for liberty, freedom and rugged individualty and then demand conformity.

best regards
randy

 

[1836]

..

I want our efforts going FORWARD to be a success. I think we can take the Congress in 10 years' time if we are well enough organized. But if we continue to all do our own thing, we will be destroyed by our own widespread lack of cohesion.

 

[Revolution9]

Indeed. Ron Paul is, after all, a conservative.

Are you meaning in your rebuttal the modern dictionary definition of conservative..one who belongs to a conservative party, or the old dictionary meaning about conservation of values like truth and family, respect for money and rule of law? because if the older then those seeking truths are the real conservatives while in the modern version conservative parties use this tradition to put a stranglehold on the discussion of ideas. The old conservatives never thought the discussion or search for truth were unworthy and to be hidden under the carpet.

I see Ron standing firm and saying truth to power. I admire that and would not be involved if that component was not there.

best regards
Randy

 

[speciallyblend]

the republican party is the problem not the grassroots or the message,the root of the problem is the republican party itself

 

[pacelli]

Hannity.

 

[Revolution9]

By your implication, I am

1. A rural intolerant hick

2. A "Johnny Come Lately"

3. Misinformed.

I've been a Ron Paul supporter for years and own my own business, started from the ground up, and I've done a great deal for Dr. Paul.

I want our efforts going FORWARD to be a success. I think we can take the Congress in 10 years' time if we are well enough organized. But if we continue to all do our own thing, we will be destroyed by our own widespread lack of cohesion.

Sir. I did not call you those things. However if you wish to have them hung about your neck feel free to indulge to your hearts content. I am complaining and using your post as a soapbox. Frankly a good portion of us are tired of this slant. The grassroots does not need a spanking or a nanny.

Thanks
Randy

 

[1836]

the republican party is the problem not the grassroots or the message,the root of the problem is the republican party itself

The message obviously has no problem, and the grassroots is not a problem, but the grassroots has had misdirected effort.

The Republican Party is the root of our problem? Then why doesn't Ron Paul, and the rest of us, just go and join some other party? We are Republicans. Like it or not, the Ron Paul message is most at home among the party of Robert Taft and Barry Goldwater.

 

[1836]

Sir. I did not call you those things. However if you wish to have them hung about your neck feel free to indulge to your hearts content. I am complaining and using your post as a soapbox. Frankly a good portion of us are tired of this slant. The grassroots does not need a spanking or a nanny.

Thanks
Randy

There is no reason why we cannot discuss what we've done wrong. I am no nanny.

 

[hawks4ronpaul]

Well, I wasn't going to mention this because I figured..."What the hell?" But now that you have -- technically speaking, we are not engaged in a "revolution", per say, but a retrograde action. We are in fact, like most Republicans, reactionaries.

Consequently, if Dr. Paul's message would have been described as a reactionary force rather than a revolutionary force, Republicans would have understood and received it better.

Restoration.

http://hawks4ronpaul.blogspot.com/

 

[pcosmar]

Wonderful. Another negative nanny post.
The Grass roots did not hurt anything. The Grass Roots are this campaign.
We are waking up America one person at a time, and are still growing.

Lets take the points.

The "R3volution" logo.
But face it, folks: it turns off voters, especially older Republicans,

Bullshit
My mother is 82, conservative republican, aware, Intelligent. She did not know of Ron Paul till I told her about him, after watching the First debate she was sold.
If someone is turned off by a logo, or other shallow reason, they are neither intelligent nor aware.

The Blimp

Generated attention and made people ask questions.

Why not something like "Save Social Security: Vote Ron Paul!"

Great Idea, Pandering Just promise people stuff. never mind that it can't be done.

. Moneybombs.

Record fund raising. No downside.

I get tired of the negativity and second guessing.
The only reason we are not sweeping the Country is that most Americans are uninformed, Ignorant, and selfish. They will vote for whoever promises the most STUFF. It does not matter that they will not keep that promise, or that they have other motives.
The Voters are stupid.
We need to keep educating them.

 

[1836]

Get used to the fact that most people are unaware of the facts and that you'll have to present a slick case to get a lot of people to vote for you.

How do you think Romney managed to get all of the votes he ended up with?

 

[ButchHowdy]

Get used to the fact that most people are unaware of the facts and that you'll have to present a slick case to get a lot of people to vote for you.

How do you think Romney managed to get all of the votes he ended up with?

1.) Romney is part of the 'The Establishment'
2.) 'The Establishment' operates the MSM
3.) The MSM decides agenda/policy for the sheeple.
4.) We are fighting 'The Establishment'

 

[slacker921]

5. not organizing PACs for local ads. The other candidates benefit from PACs advertising for them.. a few states/cities were able to fund some tv ads and billboards for Ron Paul, but not many.

6. being too transparent. Every plan, every move, etc is public and indexed by google. Our opponents know exactly what we're planning, and can easily infiltrate us and steer us in the wrong direction or post crazy bs to make us look bad.


Another side to #3.. campaign HQ knew weeks in advance that there would be a money bomb before Super Tuesday. They could have lined up advertising and completed the transaction immediately for every X00,000 that rolled in as it came in. Instead.. there's ~6 million sitting in the bank which could have been used for ads in those states you mentioned in #2.

 

[pcosmar]

How do you think Romney managed to get all of the votes he ended up with?

Lying
Pandering
Buying Votes.

Sorry, Not our style.

 

[seeker1]

5. Calling other supporters Crazy or Idiots.

4. Crazy supporters.

Turns people off when you've got people at rallies shouting that 9/11 was an inside job or that the south will rise again. I had people walk out of my meetup meetings because a few idiots wouldn't shutup about the kooky 9/11 truth conspiracy. I wish Paul would have distanced himself from these people much earlier. Should have never went on Alex Jones 400 times and should have given Don Black's donation to charity. Ron Paul's deranged supporters cost him a lot of votes from normal, sane people.

Believing you are right doesn't make you right.

Splitting up the revolutionaries into the camps was a well orchestrated divide and conquer plan to derail the movement.

Any leader should have been able to appeal to both sides for the common good of the movement, but lauding a separatist mentality as having moral superiority is indicative of the national malaise brought on by our two party polarization.

Lack of leadership is the biggest problem, plain and simple.

 

[constituent]

Interestingly enough, I had dinner with Alan Keyes last night (post-campaign stop in Central Texas, just for the hell of it) and he said he believes in the NAU and that the TTC is controlled by a power elite.

well, anymore most of the land is controlled by a "power" elite.

i find it hard to shed a tear for their cause.

just the way i see it.

you had dinner w/ Alan Keyes "just for the hell of it"

... well, if i had to speculate what has been harmful, it's
the "had dinner w/ alan keyes... for the hell of it" types.

and all the pro-war, George Bush is Jesus Jr. cheerleader types
who have helped create an environment that is total unfriendly
to the freedom movement, the beast that we must slay.

it is the years of groundwork that have gone in to building
this machine which the present grassroots must struggle against.

it is the elitists who dine w/ Alan Keyes "for the hell of it."

-if point fingers we must (i'd prefer we didn't, but you asked)

 

[Ron Paul Fan]

Believing you are right doesn't make you right.

Splitting up the revolutionaries into the camps was a well orchestrated divide and conquer plan to derail the movement.

Any leader should have been able to appeal to both sides for the common good of the movement, but lauding a separatist mentality as having moral superiority is indicative of the national malaise brought on by our two party polarization.

Lack of leadership is the biggest problem, plain and simple.

Leadership is a problem, but that's more so for the campaign than the grassroots. The campaign staff was terrible and that probably trickled down to the grassroots. But when you've got people shouting conspiracies and just shouting at people in general(See Alex Jones), you're going to come off looking delusional. Older people, who make up a big part of the people who vote, don't want to be shouted at regarding 9/11 conspiracies or CFR or the Zionists. Like it or not, it reflects negatively on the campaign and Ron Paul. He had to answer for those crazy thruthers a lot on mainstream media, then came Don Black's donation which they handled horribly. Then came the newsletters and by that time it was a lost cause.

The most harmful people to the campaign were the crazy grassroots supporters who were more interested in pushing their own agendas than Ron Paul's and the amateur campaign staff.

 

[JoshLowry]

Interestingly enough, I had dinner with Alan Keyes last night (post-campaign stop in Central Texas, just for the hell of it) and he said he believes in the NAU and that the TTC is controlled by a power elite. Just a tangent, but I thought that interesting.

Interesting guy, Alan Keyes.

Off topic, but Alan Keyes is no friend of non-interventionism.

He really pumps up the terrorist boogieman being everywhere.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xIuCjjAdTrE

 

[RonRules]

Not BUYING enough TV ads.

It's simple: media is a business. Buy their product and they will talk about you. When Romney buys 50 mil worth of advertising, and Ron Paul only 1-2 mil, don't you think Romney and the sales staff have a little side chat about what will be discussed BETWEEN the commercials?

That has been our main problem. People watch TV, particularly older voters that have exceeded 40% turn out in several states (FL, NV for example)