Where do we go from here.........

[phill4paul]

It seems on this forums we got jack shit. We coalesced around Ron and damned if we didn't do great shit only to be shut down by the RNC.

And this forum is a shell of what it was.

Most that participated feel the nomination was stolen, it was, and therefore fuck it.

I get it.

And though our influence is a drop in the pan at one point we brought Ron to the for front.

So how about we find one individual. Not for POTUS but at least for Senate.

Can we find that individual and make it happen at least as close?

Just fucking one.

 

[sparebulb]

I suppose that the smartest thing we can do is rally around those who are in office already like Massie and Rand.

But know that there is not much chance of reforming the system from the top-down.

From bottom-up, try to find and support decent people to run for school boards, city councils, and county positions.

Easier said than done, I know.

I live in rural Missouri and the good old, salt of the earth people would rather have big government fascist/commie R's and D's in office than take a chance on real liberty and independence.

 

[TheTexan]

Fed Gov is a lost cause, short of a 1776 type situation.

Focus on your local governments, secession specifically.

If you're in Texas, get Abbott the fuck out.

If you're an idealist and the above isn't good enough for you, then start a FSP type project.

 

[cjm]

My local politics are hopeless. Dems get a minimum of 65% here. Much more in presidential election years. If there's a stellar candidate out there ( [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION]; suggested he might run once), I'll do what I can from Virginia -- at least money and phone banking.

Stellar local candidates notwithstanding. I think November [MENTION=10850]phill4paul[/MENTION]; needs to talk to July phill4paul.

 

[Anti Federalist]

My local politics are hopeless. Dems get a minimum of 65% here. Much more in presidential election years. If there's a stellar candidate out there ( [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION]; suggested he might run once), I'll do what I can from Virginia -- at least money and phone banking.

Stellar local candidates notwithstanding. I think November [MENTION=10850]phill4paul[/MENTION]; needs to talk to July phill4paul.

Right now my guys are locked in the NH House and Senate.

If one of them steps down, I'll use Shem Kellog's model and run for that office.

It's a deep red district in a deep red county.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

There were 13 GOP House members and 19 GOP Senators that voted for the Infrastructure grab bag of crony pork and leftist legislation.

Every single one of them needs to be primaried. We just need to find good candidates.

 

[69360]

There is nowhere left to go. Country is fucked. Worry about yourself and take all you can back from the government. That is my plan.

 

[Bryan]

Good thread, no easy answers, I analyze the issue and options often. My thoughts....

-Agree to take care of home first.
- Agree to support Massie and Rand. Massie is doing amazing and getting lots of great support.
- Agree that electoral politics is a dicey game. Easy to dump in too much for low return. If anything, get behind the right person who has legitimate momentum. Or go the lost cost route, per stated Shem plan.
- Education campaigns is best default.

 

[Bryan]

Related, Massie recently seeked input on a conceptual new "Contract with America" for the GOP in 2022, let's see if he drive something.

Some thoughts...

 

[tod evans]

One simple idea;

Smaller government every year.

Less people, less laws/regulations, less spending.

The more government is reduced the greater the effect on every day people.

 

[fisharmor]

- Agree to support Massie and Rand. Massie is doing amazing and getting lots of great support.

Dude, I'm sorry but it's an open discussion and you just couldn't leave the elephant alone.

This movement ended on 7 June 2012 when Rand endorsed Romney. I'm not going to get in the circular firing squad of whether Ron was still in the race (despite the fact that he was) but you have to face the fact that we are a group of people who pride ourselves on not being the average voting goldfish and we actually remember things.

We are not going to forget that. We're not going to forget that his 17 hour filibuster condensed to "you can't drone strike citizens unless you filled out some paperwork".

It's true that he's doing great things with Fauci right now but that puts him roughly on par with Ted Cruz going after Garland.

Rand is not who you say he is no matter how many times you say it and we are absolutely not supporting him to the degree you wish. Rand was the golden child who was set up to inherit everything and he kicked it - and us - to the curb. He's doing fine without us so we're moving on.

 

[fisharmor]

To answer the question, though, if you aren't aware what's going on in the Libertarian Party, there is a Mises Caucus which is supporting a woman named Angela McArdle taking the chairmanship of the entire party. They hope to turn it around and make it a home for Ron Paul supporters.
Look into it.

 

[TheTexan]

Rand is not who you say he is no matter how many times you say it and we are absolutely not supporting him to the degree you wish. Rand was the golden child who was set up to inherit everything and he kicked it - and us - to the curb. He's doing fine without us so we're moving on.

Rand like most people (besides me, and maybe Ron) is not perfect.

If however we had 100 Rand's in the Senate and 400 Rand's in the House and a Rand in the Oval.... the country would be in really fucking great shape don't ya think?

Can't really say that for Ted Cruz, or anyone else in the Senate.

 

[cjm]

To answer the question, though, if you aren't aware what's going on in the Libertarian Party, there is a Mises Caucus which is supporting a woman named Angela McArdle taking the chairmanship of the entire party. They hope to turn it around and make it a home for Ron Paul supporters.
Look into it.

I first heard of her on the Tom Woods 2000th episode. She seems fun and not crazy. I'd certainly give the LP another look. I'm technically a life member but started working with the GOP in 2010. Since 2016, I've been "retired" from electoral politics.

 

[TheTexan]

To answer the question, though, if you aren't aware what's going on in the Libertarian Party, there is a Mises Caucus which is supporting a woman named Angela McArdle taking the chairmanship of the entire party. They hope to turn it around and make it a home for Ron Paul supporters.
Look into it.

They hope to turn it around and make it a home for Ron Paul supporters.

In other words, they plan to make it even less politically relevant than it already is? Not trying to be a dick - I just don't get it.

Is the intention for it to be a social group for Ron Paul people to hang out and shoot the shit occasionally? Because that does actually make sense... though you don't really need to be a political party to do that.

 

[TheTexan]

One simple idea;

Smaller government every year.

Less people, less laws/regulations, less spending.

The more government is reduced the greater the effect on every day people.

Less people. Hm. I like that idea

 

[fisharmor]

In other words, they plan to make it even less politically relevant than it already is? Not trying to be a dick - I just don't get it.

Is the intention for it to be a social group for Ron Paul people to hang out and shoot the shit occasionally? Because that does actually make sense... though you don't really need to be a political party to do that.

The LP isn't politically relevant because it's been a niche that nobody wants to be in and the LPMC seems to realize that.

Last month I went to a free talk on the "Take Human Action Tour" hosted by the LPMC.

I heard Maj Toure talk about how to talk to inner city people about gun rights.

I got to hear Michael Boldin from the 10th Amendment center talk and if you haven't heard him before, holy cow that guy is on fire. He very nearly got a local resolution passed in California that would have turned off the power and water to the FBI building there.

Michael Rechtenwald talked about how he was a hardcore socialist who turned to libertarianism, and he told us about decentralized networks that people in the LPMC are setting up, particularly the Mises Mesh Network, which is intended to be an ecosystem where other liberty groups can organize.

Daniel McAdams spoke there. Is that enough to convince you it's a spiritual successor of the Revolution?

Tom Woods gave the keynote and it was on secession.

The impression I got from the group was that there are a lot of organizers and volunteers working to do with the LP what WOULD have happened in the Republican Party if Rand hadn't kicked us in the collective nuts. I don't know about you but I think taking over that group and making them stop saying idiotic things like "I think you should just bake the cake" and start replacing those things with sound bites like "End the Fed" shows some promise.

 

[TheTexan]

Michael Rechtenwald talked about how he was a hardcore socialist who turned to libertarianism, and he told us about decentralized networks that people in the LPMC are setting up, particularly the Mises Mesh Network, which is intended to be an ecosystem where other liberty groups can organize.

Sounds interesting. I don't suppose you have any links? Came up empty handed with search

 

[fisharmor]

Sounds interesting. I don't suppose you have any links? Came up empty handed with search

]It was a live thing. Woods did a podcast a couple weeks ago where he just put up his keynote.


I also am coming up blank when I search on Mises Mesh Network.
@Occam's Banana seems way more involved with LPMC - wanna jump in here?

 

[Occam's Banana]

To answer the question, though, if you aren't aware what's going on in the Libertarian Party, there is a Mises Caucus which is supporting a woman named Angela McArdle taking the chairmanship of the entire party. They hope to turn it around and make it a home for Ron Paul supporters.
Look into it.

Here are a couple of relevant threads:

Mises Caucus Coup D’Etat

Support the Mises Caucus​

The LP isn't politically relevant because it's been a niche that nobody wants to be in and the LPMC seems to realize that.

Last month I went to a free talk on the "Take Human Action Tour" hosted by the LPMC.

I heard Maj Toure talk about how to talk to inner city people about gun rights.

I got to hear Michael Boldin from the 10th Amendment center talk and if you haven't heard him before, holy cow that guy is on fire. He very nearly got a local resolution passed in California that would have turned off the power and water to the FBI building there.

Michael Rechtenwald talked about how he was a hardcore socialist who turned to libertarianism, and he told us about decentralized networks that people in the LPMC are setting up, particularly the Mises Mesh Network, which is intended to be an ecosystem where other liberty groups can organize.

Daniel McAdams spoke there. Is that enough to convince you it's a spiritual successor of the Revolution?

Tom Woods gave the keynote and it was on secession.

The impression I got from the group was that there are a lot of organizers and volunteers working to do with the LP what WOULD have happened in the Republican Party if Rand hadn't kicked us in the collective nuts. I don't know about you but I think taking over that group and making them stop saying idiotic things like "I think you should just bake the cake" and start replacing those things with sound bites like "End the Fed" shows some promise.

The Mises Caucus is trying to take over the LP and make it a vehicle for continuing the Ron Paul Revolution - and they have the blessing of Ron Paul himself.

And ironically, they're getting the same kind of pushback and shenanigans from the LP establishment that Ron Paul supporters got from the Republicans - denunciations from "woke" leftarians and "libertarian socialists", resistance and dirty tricks from the "big fish in a little pond" types, and so forth. (I might start a thread cataloging these if there is enough interest and I can find the time.)