Where do we go from here.........

There are a lot more people out there waking up to governments over-reach than there was 13 years ago, maybe the Ron Paul ways are just that much more widespread now.

Allow me.....



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The Kentucky LP is one of the state parties "taken over" by the Mises Caucus. And unlike the half-apologetic milquetoasts and half-assed "make government more efficient" crowd, they aren't kissing up to the Cathedral any more than Ron Paul ever did:

https://twitter.com/lpky/status/1458671332221239303


https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1458821533607120896


https://twitter.com/AnarchoCanadian/status/1458872529834160140
Were they the ones that bragged about replacing Bevin with a Dem just in time for the CCP Virus tyranny?
If they took over after that have they repudiated it and apologized?
 
The Kentucky LP is one of the state parties "taken over" by the Mises Caucus. And unlike the half-apologetic milquetoasts and half-assed "make government more efficient" crowd, they aren't kissing up to the Cathedral any more than Ron Paul ever did:

https://twitter.com/lpky/status/1458671332221239303


https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1458821533607120896


https://twitter.com/AnarchoCanadian/status/1458872529834160140

Well played, LPMC
 
At no point did I say I don't like him. At no point did I say he isn't doing good things.
What I thought I clearly said is that he is not the inheritor of the Revolution.
He is not going to be the person who is the answer "where do we go from here".

If I'm understanding your point, its that he may be a good Senator but he isn't an inspiring leader.

In which case I would agree.
 
Were they the ones that bragged about replacing Bevin with a Dem just in time for the CCP Virus tyranny?
If they took over after that have they repudiated it and apologized?

Libertarian Party of Kentucky said:
Had Matt Bevin not ditched his liberty Lt Governor for a Mitch McConnell picked anti liberty, corrupt running mate who has tried to eliminate Kentuckians jury trial rights, had Matt Bevin not presided over a huge sales tax increase, had Matt Bevin supported any of our key issues on criminal justice reform, marijuana legalization, expanded gaming, cutting taxes, or acted with the least bit of civility, we probably would not have run a candidate. Of course, he did the opposite. And here we are.
We split the vote. And we could not be more thrilled. If our friends in the major parties do not want this to happen again, they should think about passing ranked choice voting. And supporting our issues.
In the meantime, thank you to John Hicks, Ann Cormican, Kyle Hugenberg, Josh Gilpin and Kyle Sweeney for running. Your effort was appreciated.
For the Bevin supporters, your tears are delicious”

So you're faulting the LP for running against a RINO clearly in bed with the totalitarians? Is that what you're saying?

You're crying because a RINO got his feet held to the fire, and proved not to have a conservative bone in his body?

Tell the Kentucky GOP to apologize for endangering the jury rights and prosperity of the people in that state, and giving them covert Democrats as an alleged "alternative" to overt Democrats. Don't fault the new guard of the only party which, under the old guard, did field an alternative to overt and covert Democrats.

Covid tyranny. What evidence do you have that he'd have done one thing differently? His twits criticizing the guy who had beaten him? That R next to his name? What?

The Libertarian Party doesn't owe your RINOs jack shit. Get over it. Your RINO bootlicking will never, ever get us one ounce of freedom.
 
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Not for POTUS but at least for Senate.

Honestly, I think we're better off going for Congress. We've tried to elect Senators before, but it takes a lot more money and resources, of which the establishment usually as more of.

But with the House, we came damn close to electing a Ron Paulian to Congress in 2020. Matt Gurtler was a solid libertarian who openly spoke of stopping the endless wars in a GOP primary. Eric Brakey was a Ron Paul style candidate who came decently close as well. Nick Freitas isn't quite a Ron Paul style guy, but he's still quite libertarian leaning and he almost beat Abigail Spanberger for Congress.

Right now Anthony Sabatini and Steve Carra are both running for Congress. I wouldn't say either of them are full blown libertarians, but they're very libertarian friendly, they both are involved with Young Americans for Liberty, and they both have decent shots of winning. Tim Baxter up in New Hampshire is apparently liberty friendly as well.

We don't have a full-blown Matt Gurtler this cycle, at least not yet. But in the meantime, a handful of libertarian-friendly candidates is better than nothing.
 
Every time I hear the phrase "gun culture", I envision this:

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... then I think "That looks frickin' AWESOME"... :tears: :tears: :tears:
 
So? They sniff for consensus, then go with the herd. And they never sniff around the herd for consensus. They let the MSM tell them where the consensus lies--even though the MSM lies about that consensus.

In the early 2016 GOP primaries Trump was getting between six and seven percent of the vote. That was sufficient in a field of seventeen candidates, but it was no consensus. But, as always, the more primaries he won, the bigger his margins became, as Republicans fell in with the herd as though they were betting money instead of voting.

They might know who's best. But even though going out on a limb does them no harm whatsoever, they always vote for the one they're manipulated into voting for.

And that was before American elections entered the Mail Fraud Era. Now they won't just be letting the powers that be manipulate them, the power mongers will be stuffing their ballot boxes too. So who Republicans like and trust never meant anything, and it means even less now.

Where do we go from here? We go around that stumbling block, or we go through it, or we run smack up against it. Again.

Trump quickly shot up through the ranks, because he was the chosenz all along. I agree that the choice of manipulation is either almost impossible or literally impossible to beat in a primary. Ron's experience in the primaries displays that, as does others'. Even after Trump is gone, the chosenz are already being lined up, and it won't be Rand that they want to lead the GOP. I suppose an assessment of "the movement" needs to be realistic about expectations. The requisite changes to our political process and the electoral process are nowhere near functional for a level playing field to occur, and even if there were to be a level playing field, the Republican party is too intertwined with the establishment to create substantial change.

Still, this doesn't mean that Rand or Massie would be better off becoming Independents or going Third Way, because their chances to win 3-way elections would suffer. They are in Congress which is more than can be said for Libertarians, Constitution Party, etc.

The "movement" is best focused on State Reps and Governorships where a States Rights or Secession/Creative Disruption effort can create real differences that will resist the Federal tyranny, but it also should support Republicans in Federal elections, rather than waste votes that only help the Democrats win, because in the final analysis, Democrats are more dangerous to our way of life.
 
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Good.


No, they haven't. Why should they?
Because the LP is widely viewed as part of the Demoncrat party aimed at taking votes from conservatives to help elect communists and their predecessors effectively confirmed that.

If they ever want to be taken seriously they should make it clear that the Kentucky LP is under new management and will not do something as stupid as running a candidate against one of the best most libertarian governors in the US and then bragging about handing the state over to the Demoncrats.
The fact that Kentucky has suffered under the Demoncrat when they could have had Bevin to resist COVID tyranny only makes it more urgent that they repudiate what happened.
 
So you're faulting the LP for running against a RINO clearly in bed with the totalitarians? Is that what you're saying?

You're crying because a RINO got his feet held to the fire, and proved not to have a conservative bone in his body?

Tell the Kentucky GOP to apologize for endangering the jury rights and prosperity of the people in that state, and giving them covert Democrats as an alleged "alternative" to overt Democrats. Don't fault the new guard of the only party which, under the old guard, did field an alternative to overt and covert Democrats.

Covid tyranny. What evidence do you have that he'd have done one thing differently? His twits criticizing the guy who had beaten him? That R next to his name? What?

The Libertarian Party doesn't owe your RINOs jack $#@!. Get over it. Your RINO bootlicking will never, ever get us one ounce of freedom.
Bevin was one of the best and most libertarian governors in the US.
It is clear you would support replacing Rand with someone like AOC for being imperfect.
I'll let others draw their own conclusions why.
 
Bevin was one of the best and most libertarian governors in the US.

That means nothing coming from someone who has repeatedly proven he doesn't know what 'libertarian' means, and has shown such disdain for the label itself that he has never before used 'best' and 'libertarian' in the same sentence.

It is clear you would support replacing Rand with someone like AOC for being imperfect.
I'll let others draw their own conclusions why.

It is clear that I've been supporting Rand from the beginning, while you threw him under the bus for your orange god time and again--along with Amash, and Bradley, and even Massie when he told us all how Trump was conspiring with Pelosi.

Do you think people aren't capable of drawing their own conclusions about all that?
 
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LP: "I want to help the first guy do it so fast there is no chance to reverse it"

You arrogant four flusher, you're trying to tell us there's something faster than Warp Speed?

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Here's a news flash for you, troll. That state and this nation can survive a couple of years of all-Democrat "governance". That has been proven time and again. What it hasn't survived is fifty years of conservative voters voting for slightly less left leftists and refusing to vote for conservatives because people like you keep screeching that the difference between left and slightly less left actually means something, and that conservative conservatives can't win. Self fulfilling prophesies are a mental illness.

Even someone as blind as you should be able to see the iceberg through the fog by now. It's a hundred feet off the port bow. Slightly less than left won't avoid it. Either we get someone at the helm who can spin the wheel hard to starboard or this ship sinks.

The GOP has, at most, three or four people in federal office that can do that. And people like you are the reason why. Why do you hate actual conservatism? Because you hate America?

Being a team player is only helpful if your team is not trying to put the ball in the other team's goal.. If that's what your team is doing, an effective team player thwarts his "teammates" until they wake up and smell the coffee. And you? You accuse me of being willing to turn on Rand Paul, just to try to paint Bevin as something conservative? Bevin is no Rand Paul, and when two Republicans disagree, you always throw the less conservative one under the bus. Why? Because he outranks the other? Trump Cuck Syndrome? You're a totalitarian?

Keep calling me a traitor, troll. You're the one who throws conservatives under the bus for criticizing the guy who conspired with Nancy Pelosi to trash the Constitution, and created this rich get richer and everyone else starves inflation state by telling the Fed to print currency which he then gave to his cronies at Pfizer.

TL/DR:. Shut up, totalitarian Leftist.
 
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That means nothing coming from someone who has repeatedly proven he doesn't know what 'libertarian' means, and has shown such disdain for the label itself that he has never before used 'best' and 'libertarian' in the same sentence.



It is clear that I've been supporting Rand from the beginning, while you threw him under the bus for your orange god time and again--along with Amash, and Bradley, and even Massie when he told us all how Trump was conspiring with Pelosi.

Do you think people aren't capable of drawing their own conclusions about all that?

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Point out where I ever said it would be good if Rand lost to a Demoncrat like you and the LP said it was good Bevin lost to Beshear.
 
You arrogant four flusher, you're trying to tell us there's something faster than Warp Speed?
Warp Speed was not a mandate and rightly or wrongly it was meant to bring an end to lockdowns like those imposed by Beshear thanks to the LP.
And Bevin had nothing to do with Warp Speed so you are completely dishonest to bring Warp Speed into this discussion.

If the LP wants to target bad Republicans that is arguable.
Targeting Bevin was giving aid and comfort to the Demoncrats.


Here's a news flash for you, troll. That state and this nation can survive a couple of years of all-Democrat "governance".
These aren't your father's Democrats and these Bolsheviks are shooting for all the marbles and have been since O'Bummer.

What it hasn't survived is fifty years of conservative voters voting for slightly less left leftists and refusing to vote for conservatives because people like you keep screeching that the difference between left and slightly less left actually means something, and that conservative conservatives can't win. Self fulfilling prophesies are a mental illness.
That's not an accurate description of Bevin and I always support real conservatives against RINOs.
What I don't do is help Demoncrats against one of the most conservative governors in the US and then crow about getting rid of him. (thereby pushing the Republican party to the left by trimming its right wing)

Even someone as blind as you should be able to see the iceberg through the fog by now. It's a hundred feet off the port bow. Slightly less than left won't avoid it. Either we get someone at the helm who can spin the wheel hard to starboard or this ship sinks.

The GOP has, at most, three or four people in federal office that can do that. And people like you are the reason why. Why do you hate actual conservatism? Because you hate America?

Being a team player is only helpful if your team is not trying to put the ball in the other team's goal.. If that's what your team is doing, an effective team player thwarts his "teammates" until they wake up and smell the coffee. And you? You accuse me of being willing to turn on Rand Paul, just to try to paint Bevin as something conservative? Bevin is no Rand Paul, and when two Republicans disagree, you always throw the less conservative one under the bus. Why? Because he outranks the other? Trump Cuck Syndrome? You're a totalitarian?

Keep calling me a traitor, troll. You're the one who throws conservatives under the bus for criticizing the guy who conspired with Nancy Pelosi to trash the Constitution, and created this rich get richer and everyone else starves inflation state by telling the Fed to print currency which he then gave to his cronies at Pfizer.

TL/DR:. Shut up, totalitarian Leftist.
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