Where do Ron Paul's ideas come from?

[CaseyJones]

conza is gonna take a week off

 

[newbitech]

conza is gonna take a week off

You should quote the part of his favorite video where Dr. Paul says we need to be compassionate in order to win the hearts and minds. I have been trying to get him to understand that for YEARS...

 

[Acala]

Ron Paul gets his ideas from the Sacred Sampo of Win

 

[Conza88]

You should quote the part of his favorite video where Dr. Paul says we need to be compassionate in order to win the hearts and minds. I have been trying to get him to understand that for YEARS...

Supporting a state is compassionate? LOL. Notice I have little respect for those that wish to use force against me... and openly defend such notions, and attack true liberty. Those who are civil to me and don't support a criminal gang writ large receive the same in kind.

 

[Conza88]

man, fuck you. be respectful or shut the fuck up.

Legit question, deserves legit answer.

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Nate, I'm going to demand an apology for your irrational and uncalled for outburst.

If you do not - I will post a link on Ron Paul's 2010 twitter (which has 4,000 followers), that which I control. The link will be to the "Ron Paul is a voluntaryist video" and "Where does Ron Paul get his ideas" video.

LE - an apology for shit stirring would also stop the above from happening.

 

[newbitech]

Supporting a state is compassionate? LOL. Notice I have little respect for those that wish to use force against me... and openly defend such notions, and attack true liberty.

strawman Conza, strawman

You and I both know that "the state" is a vast collection of psychological aberrations. How do you intend on winning the hearts and minds of the individual statist?

Do you intend to take Ron Paul's advice and do so with compassion? Or do you intend to continue to bludgeon "them" with your "superior" logic and youtube compilation videos?

You are claiming self defense, you are claiming you are being forced, you are claiming to defend truth.

Who is attacking you? Who are you defending yourself from and what force is being used? How is it possible to defend the truth, when the truth must be used to defend itself?

Conza, please, open your eyes and allow your world to be diverse, share in the beauty of perspective, allow yourself to see the truth from another's perspective. Your tunnel vision is blinding, and your tactics are counter productive and self-defeating.

Stop and smell the roses, listen to nature and hear the truth without voice, without reason, without thought.

 

[newbitech]

Legit question, deserves legit answer.

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Nate, I'm going to demand an apology for your irrational and uncalled for outburst.

If you do not - I will post a link on Ron Paul's 2010 twitter (which has 4,000 followers), that which I control. The link will be to the "Ron Paul is a voluntaryist video" and "Where does Ron Paul get his ideas" video.

LE - an apology for shit stirring would also stop the above from happening.

A threat of force. Lost all credibility right there pal.

 

[Conza88]

strawman Conza, strawman

You and I both know that "the state" is a vast collection of psychological aberrations.

Lmao, it's not a strawman at all. I rejected your bs fallacious point. You have to make the case I have no compassion, you also need to make the case that everyone is intellectually honest and open to reason, to in effect - have their hearts and minds be won over.

Good luck.

The additional point I was making is that, those who aren't intellectually honest and open to reason - rarely have their hearts and minds available to be persuaded of their error. Not my fault, it's their own.

To those that are like that, I am fine with them nut... WHEN THEY START ATTACKING the concept of a free society, that is when they become active in the defense of the state, they get no respect from me. It's not hard to understand bro, something you've failed to grasp for years.

"The State has its own agenda, that is, . . . all States everywhere are run by a ruling class, the people running the State, and one of their interests is to extend as well as maintain the power and wealth arising from that rule." ~ Robert Higgs' Memoriam on Rothbard

How do you intend on winning the hearts and minds of the individual statist?

Do you intend to take Ron Paul's advice and do so with compassion? Or do you intend to continue to bludgeon "them" with your "superior" logic and youtube compilation videos?

Ohhhh yeah, totally no compassion in this video.

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You are claiming self defense, you are claiming you are being forced, you are claiming to defend truth.

Who is attacking you? Who are you defending yourself from and what force is being used? How is it possible to defend the truth, when the truth must be used to defend itself?

"Attack" the concept of true liberty. Openly "defend" [against] such notions [of statist supporters]. If you support a state (and do not allow for individual secession down to the individual level), then what makes you different from a guy in a guy supporting the cause?

A threat of force. Lost all credibility right there pal.

A threat of force? Excuse me? Back up that baseless claim. Define force. It certainly isn't a libertarian definition. How absurd.

You never had any credibility to begin with newbitech, such words from you are hallow.

 

[Jeremy]

Guys, please refrain from attacking each other, the ad homs, the off topic jabs at each other, etc.

 

[newbitech]

lmao, it's not a strawman at all. (yeah, it is because conza responded to "supporting a state" and that had nothing to do with what newbitech said. Classic strawman) i rejected your bs fallacious point. (just because conza rejects it, doesn't make it bs or fallacious, isn't this the fallacy fallacy? Hmmm..) you have to make the case i have no compassion (no conza go ahead, conza is better at it than newbitech ), you also need to make the case that everyone is intellectually honest and open to reason, to in effect - have their hearts and minds be won over. (no newbitech dosen't need to do any of that because newbitech is not trying to convince everyone to do anything. What newbitech will do is find one more person to register republican and vote for ron paul, and teach them how to find 1 person to do the same. And newbitech will do that exactly how ron paul suggests to do it, with compassion)

good luck. (newbitech doesn't need luck, newbitech has the truth, but thanks)

the additional point i was making is that (doesn't conza need a first point to make an additional one?), those who aren't intellectually honest and open to reason (in other words, those who don't agree with everything conza says) - rarely have their hearts and minds available to be persuaded of their error (by Conza). Not my fault (oh no, it never is, is it), it's their own. (of course someone else is to blame)

to those that are like that (not like conza), i am fine with them nut... When they start attacking (or questioning) the (conza's) concept of a free society, that is when they become active in the defense of the state (because all it takes to defend the state is to disagree with conza), they get no respect from me (of course not, why would anyone respect someone with a different opinion?). It's not hard to understand bro (it's not that it's hard to understand, it's that newbitech would be stupid for acting that way when newbitech knows better), something (care to explain?) you've failed to grasp for years (conza has grasped this for years, everyone should grasp what conza grasps for years, grasping for years is fun).

"the state has its own agenda, that is, . . . All states everywhere are run by a ruling class, the people running the state, and one of their interests is to extend as well as maintain the power and wealth arising from that rule." ~ robert higgs' memoriam on rothbard (clearly newbitech is part of the elite ruling class and newbitech is here to defend "the state" that has treated newbitech so good, even if newbitech doesn't even know newbitech is doing it, yep the goal of "the state" is to create robot newbitech ron paul supporters who spread ron paul's idea's around. What a strange "state")



ohhhh yeah, totally no compassion in this video. (certainly none in conza's post history here. Conza is becoming the poster child for aggressive dogmatism and abrasive/abusive language on this forum, conza is going to have to do better to clear up that rep in newbitech's book, and in fact, conza willl probably need some real world counseling once it sinks in what conza has actually done. That is, if conza has any compassion at all.)

"attack" the concept (is more than a concept) of true liberty (comes with responsibility, which conza seem to be lacking, and accountability, which conza probably hates worse than authority). Openly "defend" (in quotes because conza was never really "attacked") [against] (in cute brackets because conza isn't really doing what conza say's conza is doing) such notions (is more than a notion) [of statist supporters] (conza is just trying to use as many words as conza can to sound intelligent, but it's not working. Really. Now it is statist supporters. Why supporters? Why not just continue to call newbotech a statist? Why the need to add more confusing esoteric verbiage?). If you support a state (regardless of the definition, because conza will make one up that newbitech hasn't thought of or read about yet) (and do not allow for individual secession[now newbitech gets to use the cute brackets and newbitech already seceded philosophically] down to the individual level [nice, newbitech likes how conza has finally adopted the different levels of government approach that newbitech has been teaching conza to grasp for years, but one small correction, individual secession cannot occur on any other level besides the individual level]), then what makes you different from a guy in a guy supporting the cause? (newbitech is an individual, that is what.)



a threat of force? Excuse me? Back up that baseless claim. (newbitech quoted the threat) define force (use whatever definition conza wants). It certainly isn't a libertarian definition. How absurd. (yes the threat was crazy and probably will get conza banned permanently)

you never had any credibility (define credibility) to begin with newbitech, such words from you are hallow ( conza knows a thing or two about that by now, newbitech is sure).

q.e.d.

 

[Conza88]

Because linking to a Ron Paul video that is nothing but Ron Paul's own words, audio and excerpts from his books... is some how using his name for personal use?

What a lemming.

I have no qualms about supporting Ron Paul's true message of liberty. You, LE and others however DO.

I understand the political expediency of not necessairly putting forward that RP is a voluntarist. I understand that all you guys want is "votes". I understand that the other lemmings [homos boobus] out there don't often understand things clearly... it takes time and education. [Hence the 'boos' are doctor Ron Paul in the debates].

newbitech - how about you be intellectually HONEST and PROVIDE A LINK TO THE SOURCE OF MY QUOTE [that you have put in your sig] SO OTHERS CAN GO TO IT and decide for themselves the point being made.

If you do not - "I will post a link on Ron Paul's 2010 twitter (which has 4,000 followers), that which I control. The link will be to the "Ron Paul is a voluntaryist video" and "Where does Ron Paul get his ideas" video."

And it'll be all yourrr fault.

I have no qualms about spreading the message of liberty. I have no qualms with spreading the message of truth. I have no qualms in spreading Ron Paul's message. YOU GUYS DO. It's not a threat of force newbitech... what I am doing is permissible in a free society. The fact you don't understand that is case and point.

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What's it going to be... dun, dun, dun haha

 

[Conza88]

q.e.d.

Incomprehensible. All that writing and you failed to define how you were using the definition of 'force'. It's nice to know you've inadvertently conceded your position was untenable.

 

[Conza88]

You three (LE, Nate, newbitech) have by the end of the weekend to reply. Don't just ignore this and feign ignorance either.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Conza, I love ya, but you just don't know how to sell ideas. I suggest you read "How To Win Friends And Influence People".

 

[Conza88]

Conza, I love ya, but you just don't know how to sell ideas. I suggest you read "How To Win Friends And Influence People".

I'm not currently trying to sell ideas. I've got the book. I've read it. It's great.

I'm merely looking for:
(1) An apology from Nate, for the irrational outburst. To answer your neg rep comment Nate, 'what's my problem?'.. I don't have one, not with you anyway... you're the one who told me to fuck off and shut the fuck up... so Nate, what's your problem mate? You had nothing to do with the discussion. As you admitted; you didn't even read the thread...
(2) What was the last book LE read about Austrian economics, or libertarianism? And when was that?
(3) newbitech - alter his sig that currently has a quote of mine, so that it properly links to the comment made. Then others can visit it and read the thing in actual context. That'd be the intellectually honest thing to do.

Who is going to step up to the plate? ... otherwise, it's 4,000 individuals exposed to Ron Paul's voluntarist message of liberty! Wooo

Are these requests unreasonable?

 

[Conza88]

"I have no idea how to sell ideas..." as I host this video on how to sell ideas...

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Btw update: All 3 individuals have been informed of this thread.

If you doubt the twitter is real - [url]www.twitter.com/ronpaul2010[/URL] join

 

[osan]

Conza, I love ya, but you just don't know how to sell ideas. I suggest you read "How To Win Friends And Influence People".

I will say that Conza gets too worked up - too strident in his tone - not a good method for getting a point across.

That said, Dale Carnegie? WTF? I've despised that man's ideas forever.

For one thing, I do not endeavor to "win" friends. I build friendships. They are not prizes. As for influencing people, I don't do that either. I put out the truth as I see it and let it speak for itself. Forget Carnegie's bankrupt world view.

 

[newbitech]

I will say that Conza gets too worked up - too strident in his tone - not a good method for getting a point across.

That said, Dale Carnegie? WTF? I've despised that man's ideas forever.

For one thing, I do not endeavor to "win" friends. I build friendships. They are not prizes. As for influencing people, I don't do that either. I put out the truth as I see it and let it speak for itself. Forget Carnegie's bankrupt world view.

I thought this website had a very good blog that hits the nail on the head when it comes to our OP friend.

http://www.theadvocates.org/blog/187

I am thinking about picking up the recommended book for my own library, along with some of the other libertarian material like this.

http://store.theadvocates.org/This_is_NOT_a_tip_Quiz_p/tip100.htm

 

[Conza88]

So I take it newbitech, you'd prefer to keep the quote of mine in your sig (having deleted the source, so individuals cannot click it and see the comment in context)... rather than change it?

No qualms with the aforementioned videos being shown to 4k Ron Paul supporters? Obviously not. In Austrian Economics it's called, demonstrated preference .

 

[newbitech]

So I take it newbitech, you'd prefer to keep the quote of mine in your sig (having deleted the source, so individuals cannot click it and see the comment in context)... rather than change it?

No qualms with the aforementioned videos being shown to 4k Ron Paul supporters? Obviously not. In Austrian Economics it's called, demonstrated preference .

My demonstrated preference has nothing to do with your threat of force. Your exploitation of Ron Paul's name is encapsulated within the quote, and I do not feel the need to go out of my way to link to the source of the quote since you do not feel the need to refute the claim made in my signature. Apparently your demonstrated preference is to exploit Ron Paul's name for your personal use.

You are setting a fine example, threat of force not withstanding.