Where Did The Particles That Started The Big Bang Come From?

[rational thinker]

I haven't ever heard a logical explanation, though I have heard a minority of which are slightly credible;
*The universe has always been here, and
-How has the universe always been here, how can something always be and never be made?
*There was nothing before the universe, not even time. Time itself only exists within the universe. When the universe was created, time was also created.
-Hard to understand, but, then how did the universe get created. It doesn't really address the question.

But we need to come up with something, it can even be remotely plausible, as to how the universe was born.

God is not the answer, that just opens a whole other bag of questions just waiting to be answered with the same answer; God. Don't humour me with it.

 

[torchbearer]

You're looking for answers where there are no answers.
How can science probe for answers before the big bang?
They can't even prove there was a big bang.
Its just the most accepted theory to date.

We can only view, at the maximum, half the universe.
So- all you will get is speculation.
Don't expect answers.

 

[Perry]

I haven't ever heard a logical explanation, though I have heard a minority of which are slightly credible;
*The universe has always been here, and
-How has the universe always been here, how can something always be and never be made?
*There was nothing before the universe, not even time. Time itself only exists within the universe. When the universe was created, time was also created.
-Hard to understand, but, then how did the universe get created. It doesn't really address the question.

But we need to come up with something, it can even be remotely plausible, as to how the universe was born.

God is not the answer, that just opens a whole other bag of questions just waiting to be answered with the same answer; God. Don't humour me with it.

They didn't come from anywhere. Everything was just an infinitely small spec of dust that always was since the beginning of eternity and then one day exploded.
Or it could be that it explodes and then the laws of physics mysteriously reverse themselves and then in contracts and then explodes again.
Now just believe what I tell you and stop asking silly questions.
The universe is only 14 billion years old. Ten years ago it was 10 billion years old and ten years before that it was eight billion years old.
Now STOP ASKING QUESTIONS!

 

[rational thinker]

Very fair answer. This is not relevant, but just curious torchbearer, do you believe in god?

 

[torchbearer]

They didn't come from anywhere. Everything was just an infinitely small spec of dust that always was since the beginning of eternity and then one day exploded.
Or it could be that it explodes and then the laws of physics mysteriously reverse themselves and then in contracts and then explodes again.
Now just believe what I tell you and stop asking silly questions.

sounds like religion to me. requires some blind faith.

 

[amy31416]

I asked many physicists that question, I always get, essentially, the same answer:

Nobody knows.

From one of the last times I asked:

from the physicist <[email protected]> hide details May 5
to [email protected]
date May 5, 2008 11:55 AM
subject RE: New Ask Physicist question
Nobody knows

The Physicist
@AskThePhysicist.com

It violates the law of conservation of energy along with the first law of thermodynamics. I find it fascinating and one of the few true total mysteries left.

 

[Perry]

How about this thought rational thinker.
You have two finite objects, say needles, that are touching at the heads.
Now move to two objects apart the smallest distance possible so that they are not touching. Now that the objects aren't touching divide the distance between them in half. If the two objects are the absolute smallest distance apart possible then theoretically it should be impossible to divide the distance in half yet we can still do so mathematically and conceptually.
The truth is there is no such thing as space and time and mathematics is the imperfect tool to understand the universe.

 

[torchbearer]

Very fair answer. This is not relevant, but just curious torchbearer, do you believe in god?

I keep that as a possibility. A divine most likely. But not in the primitive human sense of invisible man in the sky.
I don't have many answers for you, we are all trying to figure this out as we go...
I can't say for fact there is or there isn't a god or some higher being... or divine "matrix" that governs the universe.

Your question is a bit oversimplified and implications are that I have the same version of god as you are implying by that very question.
I think Jordan Maxwell brings up many valid points: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9072629460246678761

We don't even know the half of it yet.

I'm a big fan of astronomy... and looking at the miracles of creation through the furnaces of life, stars.
Everything we are made of was created in the center of stars.
The Sun, is our creator. But who created the sun?
It runs like a program, with parameters, rules, and some kind of order.
That is a divine matrix. A matrix, that does not require us to exist.

 

[Hiki]

*sigh*... These are questions that dont really have answers. You can pander on and on about these but all you're going to get is a long speculative argument between atheists and theists.
Perhaps the universe has just always been, and that time and everything is infinitive. I know, the mind can't really understand that, and for fucks sake why should it even. Can't you just live your life?

 

[Perry]

*sigh*... These are questions that dont really have answers. You can pander on and on about these but all you're going to get is a long speculative argument between atheists and theists.
Perhaps the universe has just always been, and that time and everything is infinitive. I know, the mind can't really understand that, and for fucks sake why should it even. Can't you just live your life?

NO! Must...seek...answers!

 

[yongrel]

dunno

 

[rational thinker]

*sigh*... These are questions that dont really have answers. You can pander on and on about these but all you're going to get is a long speculative argument between atheists and theists.
Perhaps the universe has just always been, and that time and everything is infinitive. I know, the mind can't really understand that, and for fucks sake why should it even. Can't you just live your life?

There shouldn't be a fight between atheists and theists. I'm only looking for scientific answers, which as you probably know, involves NO DOGMA at all! The dogmatic beliefs cannot be tested and are, therefore, not scientific.

 

[brandon]

The particles didnt come from anywhere. If you say that the particles came from something, then the next question is where did that something come from? Basically, we are forced to accept that time is infinite, and there was no beginning or creation of anything.

 

[Perry]

There shouldn't be a fight between atheists and theists. I'm only looking for scientific answers, which as you probably know, involves NO DOGMA at all! The dogmatic beliefs cannot be tested and are, therefore, not scientific.

Scientists are allergic to the word God.

 

[rational thinker]

The particles didnt come from anywhere. If you say that the particles came from something, then the next question is where did that something come from? Basically, we are forced to accept that time is infinite, and there was no beginning or creation of anything.

But what if time began with the big bang? Time and space are inseparable as well. Time-space.

 

[torchbearer]

Scientists are allergic to the word God.

Not really.

 

[Perry]

The particles didnt come from anywhere. If you say that the particles came from something, then the next question is where did that something come from? Basically, we are forced to accept that time is infinite, and there was no beginning or creation of anything.

Why would you accept that when there are still avenues of science and philosophy to explore? You are accepting a conclusion that has no scientific basis.

 

[Zippyjuan]

There are unknowable and unanswerable questions and that is certainly one of them. Science cannot provide an answer only theories so faith in what happend is required if you need an answer. That can come from God or science or some of both - depending on how you want to believe.

Did something come from nothing?
Has something always been?
If it is infinite- how can it have a beginning?
If something always was that led to everything else- where did it come from?
If it has always been- what suddenly caused it to change?


Just as we do not know the facts of the beginning, we will not know what happens at the end. We have only this segment of time on Earth for certain- if we can be certain that we are here on Earth at this moment.

 

[rational thinker]

Scientists are allergic to the word God.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Collins_(geneticist)

 

[Perry]

Not really.

A great many scientists are allergic to the word God.
Fixed.
This is absolutely true and I know it from my experience.
The reverse is also just as true.
Many religous people are allergic to science.