Where did the Campaign go wrong?

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This is in response to the post below. My response is posted below the quote. I believe its time to have a thread dedicated to where you believe HQ went wrong.

If it was spent in February[the $6 million we raised], where the hell did it go, and what good did it do??? Where were all the Super Tuesday ads? What did they spend it on???? For all the money WE gave them, what did we get in return??? Not one single win in any state! No wonder the contributions went down after the Q4, 2007. What did we get for it but dismal last place showing in nearly every state, no campaign ads on the national networks, and shitty ads where time was purchased. After Super Tuesday, how could the campaing expect to raise anymore money when we did so poorly, it was alomst laughable?

Why in the hell would the campaign mail out RP advertisements to people who alread support him?? I recieved THREE mailers from the campaign, when those could have gone to undecided voters who could have used the information before they voted.

Why didn't the campaign DEMAND equal time on the news networks by filing complaints with the FCC, and using the courts to force the likes of Faux, CNN and MSNBC to fairly report RP's campaign with the other candidates? Who the hell are his legal councel, second year law students working for room and board???

I'm an ardent Ron Paul supporter, but I'm pretty pissed off by the campaign's inept actions, and their squandering of the massive funds they recieved from US, the hard working Americans who hoped for something big.

Who is at fault? NOT the grassroots, no. We workded our asses off. The blame must be placed solely on the campaign chairman, the manager, and advisors who, IMHO, screwed the pooch during the primary season. I hope they enjoyed their bloated salaries.

There, I said it. Comence flaming now, if you like.

One of the best posts I have seen on this forum. From the first day I started following RP, it seemed like the campaign was just "along for the ride". Ron Paul's message was so strong that it carried him to record fund raising and MASSIVE support with practically no media attention.

Sure the media blackout was partly to blame, but to tell you the truth I really dont think the blame lies solely on them. The campaign should have DEMANDED more time. Revolutions (even peaceful ones) aren't won with nice words and complacency.

On another note, it seems like ALL of the campaigns hopes were focused solely on the Iowa and New Hampshire primaries. The people in those states were bombarded with mailers, radio ads, tv commercials and big $$ for campaign offices. What really boggles my mind is that the campaign put all of its eggs into two baskets fully knowing that they were going to be blown away in the primaries (I had hopes for NH but it was a crap shoot at BEST).

All of these small failures and lack of attention to detail in the end shot this campaign in the foot before it ever really had the chance to truly get off the ground. The grassroots movement encompassed some of the brightest, most literate, affluent and resourceful minds that this nation has to offer. The grassroots truly accomplished incredible feats leading up to the primaries. The complete lack of willingness to harness this resource when it was needed most completely baffles me.
 
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The grassroots movement encompassed some of the brightest, most literate, affluent and resourceful minds that this nation has to offer. The grassroots truly accomplished incredible feats leading up to the primaries. The complete lack of willingness to harness this resource when it was needed most completely baffles me.

Thank you for adding that fact, I forgot to add that to my post. Some of those youtube ads that grassroots people produced were top notch, professional videos, and sadly completely ignored by the campaign.
 
the $30 mil should have gone 100% to promoting RP to the press and MSM. not flyers. not comercials. not ads. Pay for reporter hotels and airline tickets. Have them follow you around everywhere. Stage britney spears events. Fly to every potential interview.
 
the $30 mil should have gone 100% to promoting RP to the press and MSM. not flyers. not comercials. not ads. Pay for reporter hotels and airline tickets. Have them follow you around everywhere. Stage britney spears events. Fly to every potential interview.

Amen, brother!!!

+1000
 
The campaign spent more on letters and phone calls than on TV ads.

Since the masses trust TV ads to tell them who to vote for, this was the campaign's downfall.
 
Yea, I would like to say that I don't blame the grassroots at all. If it wasn't for the grassroots, RP wouldn't of had the little media attention he had. I have never seen a John McCain supporter standing on their lunch break waving a sign, I never saw John McCain supporters pass out information at fairs, I never saw a John McCain blimp...the grassroots isn't to blame, only the campaign(and the Americans that are too lazy to research the candidates and only trust their televisions).
 
This thread is not constructive. stop your whining. $30 million is not a lot for a presidential campaign. Rudy went through a lot more than that, the media had his back, and look what he got... BEAT. Romney spent how much of his own money? What did he get? BEAT.

Stop blaming the campaign. There is really nothing they could have done to get in front of the sheeple. There is not much you can do when the front page of every newspaper has all the other candidates on it and your left out. There is not much you can do when you get 3 standard questions when you finally do get on TV, are you dropping out? Will you run 3rd party? Get rid of the IRS?? explain how in 30 seconds...

Yes, the money could have been spent better, I wish he ran/sent NO ADVERTISEMENTS and spent all of the money on organizing the precinct captain program early, and spent the money on hosting mock caucuses/delegate training. If we had that in August... wow..

You're in denial if you think 30 million goes ANYWHERE. If you want to know where it was spent, go to the FEC, there isn't too much frivolous spending. The salaries were higher than I had thought, but a drop in the bucket compared to other campaigs.
 
the $30 mil should have gone 100% to promoting RP to the press and MSM. not flyers. not comercials. not ads. Pay for reporter hotels and airline tickets. Have them follow you around everywhere. Stage britney spears events. Fly to every potential interview.

Huckabee did this very thing during the 4th quarter and he raised basically 1/3 less than RP. Notice how in the 4th quarter Huckabee started getting more media attention...he was paying for a chartered bus just so the media could follow him around the campaign trail.

Huckabee also ran a national ad that actually looked professional, and again, he did it with only 1/3 of the money RP's campaign raised.
 
Huckabee did this very thing during the 4th quarter and he raised basically 1/3 less than RP. Notice how in the 4th quarter Huckabee started getting more media attention...he was paying for a chartered bus just so the media could follow him around the campaign trail.

Huckabee also ran a national ad that actually looked professional, and again, he did it with only 1/3 of the money RP's campaign raised.

He had the backing of the media. The same month he joined the CFR and his article was published in their rag, was the same month he started getting free MSM coverage.

He was a firescreen created to prevent RP from gaining a strong base among evangelicals.
 
He had the backing of the media. The same month he joined the CFR and his article was published in their rag, was the same month he started getting free MSM coverage.

He was a firescreen created to prevent RP from gaining a strong base among evangelicals.

You know the CFR's page also had RP on it...Huckabee got what he did, because he campaigned for it. Huckabee had the backing of the media probably because he accepted their interviews and didn't back out of them like RP's campaign consistently did...and Huckabee was paying for a bus so the media could follow him around. Can you please show me where RP's campaign ever did this?

The CFR even has a BIO of RP still that I just found for you...http://www.cfr.org/bios/13303/ron_paul.html

As a matter of fact! The CFR has only RP and John McCain showing as the Republican candidates now! Isn't that interesting! http://www.cfr.org/campaign2008/index.html
 
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It is constructive to get feedback on where we failed. The campaign obviously didn't do a good enough job and we all know it. To deny that is just silly because we'll keep making the same mistakes over and over. They had $20 million in Q4, more than anyone else. Once they started getting decent money, they should have kicked out Snyder, Benton, Bydlack, et al and hired people who knew what they were doing. Most of the early tv ads were terrible. They got better with time though. Ultimately, they put their resources in the wrong areas. We can sit here and spout CFR conspiracy theories or we can discuss realistic problems and solutions. Huckabee had the backing of the media because he had a competent campaign staff who knew how to sell their candidate and once he won the Iowa caucus, he got a free wave of media. Paul never won a thing.
 
It is constructive to get feedback on where we failed. The campaign obviously didn't do a good enough job and we all know it. To deny that is just silly because we'll keep making the same mistakes over and over. They had $20 million in Q4, more than anyone else. Once they started getting decent money, they should have kicked out Snyder, Benton, Bydlack, et al and hired people who knew what they were doing. Most of the early tv ads were terrible. They got better with time though. Ultimately, they put their resources in the wrong areas. We can sit here and spout CFR conspiracy theories or we can discuss realistic problems and solutions. Huckabee had the backing of the media because he had a competent campaign staff who knew how to sell their candidate and once he won the Iowa caucus, he got a free wave of media. Paul never won a thing.

The CFR even has a BIO of RP still that I just found...http://www.cfr.org/bios/13303/ron_paul.html

As a matter of fact! The CFR has only RP and John McCain showing as the Republican candidates now! Isn't that interesting! http://www.cfr.org/campaign2008/index.html
 
screwed up virtually everything

This is in response to the post below. My response is posted below the quote. I believe its time to have a thread dedicated to where you believe HQ went wrong.

In short, they screwed up virtually everything... and squandered nearly $30 Million dollars doing it.

(And yes, Virginia, $30 Million *IS* a lot of money. Especially when it is OTHER people's money.)

Main reason for failure by HQ is simple. The management team didn't have a clue what they were doing. They may be nice guys, and are probably loyal to Ron (to a fault, IMO... sycophancy is NEVER helpful) -- but they have little or no experience in REAL business or running major campaigns. (And JB, while I agree that "experience" isn't everything, and it CAN be replaced by TALENT and ABILITY... sadly, Snyder, Moore & Co. was sans those qualities as well).

On another note, it seems like ALL of the campaigns hopes were focused solely on the Iowa and New Hampshire primaries.

Though it was never communicated to the grassroots, from the expenditures it is clear that the campaign was always an ONLY a NEW HAMPSHIRE WIN centered strategy, with a pittance of effort thrown at Iowa as well, everything else (including the "precinct leader program" which received less than $10K in funds) was an afterthought, and mainly happened because they had so much cash left they had to run out the clock and do... well something (however half-baked).

Once NH was lost, the campaign AND the candidate essentially stopped trying. (In fact, the candidate stopped trying several weeks before NH... he wasn't really into the "retail campaigning" bit, and once it got cold... well, he is over 72, and pneumonia is a major concern.)

The grassroots movement encompassed some of the brightest, most literate, affluent and resourceful minds that this nation has to offer. The grassroots truly accomplished incredible feats leading up to the primaries. The complete lack of willingness to harness this resource when it was needed most completely baffles me.

I would agree with one of the other posters... THE ABOVE is a truly well-made point.



My take... in general, I think the campaign faltered and COMPLETELY FAILED for SIX major reasons:

1) The candidate and campaign did NOT realize what his ACTUAL appeal was. So instead of campaigning on a SOLID MESSAGE of "PEACE, PROSPERITY, FREEDOM and INTEGRITY" -- we got:

a) anti-immigration, isolationism (nee non-interventionism), and "monetary reform" (egads!) ...oh, and along with some vague theme of "hope" (but hope in what?)

b) the anti-war vote went to McCain.

c) the anti-tax vote went to Huckabee.

d) the prosperity vote went to Romney.

e) the "integrity" vote was split between the above three.

f) we were left with the "well-informed voter who is also willing to vote his/her conscience even if it is for a losing candidate" -- which is 5%.

2) The candidate NEVER really wanted to run. Because of this:

a) Since the candidate never really wanted to run, he left the entire campaign in the hands of those who had convinced him to run -- therefore it was never really the "Ron Paul campaign", but was actually the "Snyder & Moore show, with occasional guest appearances by Congr. Ron Paul & family.".

b) The only "oversight" Ron apparently gave was to LIMIT his own involvement, and establish certain "minimum" parameters for his presence at events (i.e. college campuses with X,000 guaranteed attendees, etc).

c) It seems that one of HQ's mottos was to "Please inconvenience the candidate as LITTLE as possible" ...aka, recipe for disaster.

3) The campaign management were LIBERTARIANS. This meant that:

a) They were really NEVER a part of the Republican party -- which meant they had no functional "Rolodex" to crack open, no favors to cash-in on (or grant) and no network within the party itself -- in the end this was an aggravating factor contributing to the "outsider" treatment (over and above Ron's own status as a "rebel").

b) They think getting 5% of the vote is a VICTORY and a HUGE WIN! (Libertarians are almost genetically-geared to losing... but they normally get 1% of the vote... so 5% seems terrific by comparison!) This seems like sarcasm, but it is an indictment that many Libertarians have made MANY TIMES about themselves and their own big "L" party... deal with it, the truth hurts sometimes.

4) The campaign had little experience in business, or advertising, or PR, or running national campaigns; this meant that:

a) They really had no idea how to advertise (witness the missing "campaign theme", the worthless literature, and the even worse Media ads, and the "blackout").

b) They also had no "rolodex" or network of people capable of Getting Things Done... much less getting them done right.

c) They also had only hearsay knowledge of what things SHOULD cost or how long it should take to do them (witness the perennial $100M figure and the "months" to create ads... both of which are total canards, not even Romney spent $100M, and even "debtor" McCain could get NEW ads on the air within days).

5) Campaign management built a CULTURE of NON-COMMUNICATION. Other than the Thermometer widget giving the Real-Time feedback on donations (remember the phone call back in Mid September JB? I do... you were CLUELESS!) -- other than that ONE item, the campaign exhibited a "culture of secrecy" and demonstrated complete inability to properly communicate; this was true with:

a) The media -- failure to REPLY to media inquiries? Failure to get SOLID info out on the candidate and to HELP the media cover the campaign. FAILURE to hire someone with EXPERIENCE and CONTACTS with the media (need NOT be a "politico" -- could just be a good PR firm).

b) The grassroots (and if they were "afraid" of crossing the legal line... well that's what LEGAL ADVICE is for... you go get it!) -- information COULD have been given via email, the website, etc. Don't think sign waving is effective? Say so. Want people to do canvassing? Say so & equip them EARLY ON... not after the campaign is OVER. (And the "Daily Dose" was done ONLY to stifle complaints. Value-wise it stunk, mostly being "wrappers" for info published by OTHER websites... worse than a joke.)

c) Anyone and everyone. (NOT returning phone calls... Excuse Me? Not replying to emails...WTF? Not even sending acknowledgment RECEIPTS for orders? )

6) Finally, and most importantly, PRIDE, ARROGANCE, and a self-fulfilling "VICTIM" mentality. What do I mean by that? Well several things:

a) A complete inability to acknowledge errors and change course.

b) An inability to step back and say "I am not the right person for this job... we need to hire someone ELSE."

c) Instead of "courting" the media, they made the media the enemy, and then ENCOURAGED and FED the perception (IMO, the "blackout" of news FROM the campaign led to most of the worst problems [the wild-theories, conjectures, the "billionaire" BS, etc.] that troubled the grassroots).

d) In short... BLAME anyone and everyone else because you want to do a CYA (note that THIS is still in play right now).​


The whole campaign was run in much the same way that an "Nu Skin" or "Pharmanex" or other MLM program is run... sucker people for cash, give them some pep talks and otherwise keep everything hidden (oh, and run off with as much of the cash as you can at the end!) Did you make "Platinum" level yet Lew?

I have tried... but other than doing a "Florida-centered" strategy... I cannot think of ANY way the official campaign could have been run in a WORSE fashion... not even if they were TRYING to lose. (You just wouldn't screw up THAT bad on purpose... it had to be incompetence!)




GRASSROOTS?

Were some of the antics by supporters problematic? Sure were. Were the endless speculations, theories and conjectures on the forums distracting and wasteful of efforts? Yup. But they all happened BECAUSE of the "vacuum" of information from the campaign itself.

Were SOME supporters HARASSING the media? Yup... Did you EVER see ANYTHING from the campaign even "asking" them to stop with a single email or spoken message? Or was the "silence" of the campaign seen as implicity consent? The media certainly thought so! (Even something as simple as: "We request that all supporters be respectful and courteous to everyone at all times." Ron said "have fun" 500 times... maybe he also should have said "BE NICE!" 500 times!)
 
I think Ron needs to right now announce a press conference in the guise of a withdrawl from the race.

Gather the media, strongly denounce the feds monetary policy, denounce that conservatism of McCain is not the conservatism we need, and that he fully intends to take this to the conventation and win over every single delagate from today until the convention becuase there is a real choice, and a real chance to set this country right.

We need media attention, and he needs a tancredo like movement where everyone covers his speech when they thought he was calling it quits...


And yes, the campaign failed...
They had no clue how to run a national campaign, no facet of their HQ worked to gain more attention... I didn't one action, or item that they did that was geared at getting more votes.
 
The Campaign made many mistakes and to not address them and learn from them is noy wise but until the grassroots realizes they contributed just as much to the failure and don't learn from their mistakes they will destroy any other campaigns efforts to win.
I have read over and over how the campaign wouldn't have done as good as it did were it not for the grassroots efforts. This is true but also the grassroots tactics were very good at attracting the disinfranchised and very angry voters but very good at driving the main block of the voters away from RP.
 
I think Rand Paul missed the point here!
If it is all about the media then we all should give up and RP should quite this race right now.
As you can see this is called RACE which means there is a competition and unfortunate this official campaign has failed almost every step of the way. But sure they are happy to get paid at the end of the month! While the grassroots are full of thousands and thousands of creative volunteers who are able to do a better job and for no money!
Ron Paul was saying that there is 30.000 people waving signs for him in PA. Now let me know where is RP? And why he is not there spreading the message?
We all should be working to expose the war monger mccain and cause him a bankruptcy by the time we reach the convention but unfortunate and because of this terrible campaign we instead are giving mccain an easy time.
I suggest that our campaign should pay the expenses of mccain's trip to the middle east, that would be too nice.
 
...but until the grassroots realizes they contributed just as much to the failure and don't learn from their mistakes they will destroy any other campaigns efforts to win.
I have read over and over how the campaign wouldn't have done as good as it did were it not for the grassroots efforts. This is true but also the grassroots tactics were very good at attracting the disinfranchised and very angry voters but very good at driving the main block of the voters away from RP.

The grassroots did not contribute to the failure...the grassroots is the only thing that kept the campaign alive. I have never seen one Obama, Hillary, McCain, Huckabee, etc., supporter standing on the street waving signs, renting booths at fairs, being in parades, painting car windows, etc. The grassroots is the only reason the campaign has gone as far as it has. Because of the grassroots, RP was actually covered by the media(yes, sometimes in a negative light, like RP supporters chasing Sean Hannity through the streets in NH), but the grassroots was creating media attention that HQ wasn't and didn't. After the money bombs, orchestrated by a grassroots person, RP was all over the news. What about the Ron Paul blimp? I saw that on CNN and MSNBC, but again, that was grassroots. When did RP go on Glenn Beck? After the Glenn Beck posted a video on YouTube saying he couldn't get a response from RP's campaign and he didn't know what to do and he was tired of RP supporters asking him when RP was going on the show...I would be annoyed at that also. Again, RP's lack or bad media coverage is a direct problem from the campaign, not the grassroots.

Also, at the people that say $30 million isn't a lot...don't tell that to the people that donated money that could barely afford to, but they put their money where their mouth was and supported a candidate that, quite frankly, should have dropped out a long time ago and saved the grassroots time and money.
 
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