Where did the Campaign go wrong?

The grassroots did not contribute to the failure...the grassroots is the only thing that kept the campaign alive. I have never seen one Obama, Hillary, McCain, Huckabee, etc., supporter standing on the street waving signs, renting booths at fairs, being in parades, painting car windows, etc. The grassroots is the only reason the campaign has gone as far as it has. Because of the grassroots, RP was actually covered by the media(yes, sometimes in a negative light, like RP supporters chasing Sean Hannity through the streets in NH), but the grassroots was creating media attention that HQ wasn't and didn't. After the money bombs, orchestrated by a grassroots person, RP was all over the news. What about the Ron Paul blimp? I saw that on CNN and MSNBC, but again, that was grassroots. When did RP go on Glenn Beck? After the Glenn Beck posted a video on YouTube saying he couldn't get a response from RP's campaign and he didn't know what to do and he was tired of RP supporters asking him when RP was going on the show...I would be annoyed at that also. Again, RP's lack or bad media coverage is a direct problem from the campaign, not the grassroots.

Also, at the people that say $30 million isn't a lot...don't tell that to the people that donated money that could barely afford to, but they put their money where their mouth was and supported a candidate that, quite frankly, should have dropped out a long time ago and saved the grassroots time and money.

All that you say is true about the good things the grassroots did but you left out all the bad things they did and instead listed all the bad mistakes the HQ made.
How about hundreds of frothing at the mouth comments on any site that didn't totaly fawn over RP. How about going onto conservative sites full of veterans and posting "die troops die". Yeaw that got RP a lot of votes.
how about all sites on the net that banned RP supporters? That didn't just happen.
When RP did go on the Beck show he had to answer questions about whether he thought 911 was and inside job.
I have been on forums that are about home hobbies and seen random political comments about RP and most of the people that hated him listed the Paulites as the reason, not anything RP said.
This forum was featured many times on news shows. If any people interested in RP's idea came on here and read some of the threads like who should be killed to make the world a better place or that Stalin didn't kill anyone I am sure they didn't want to vote for RP if that is what his supporter believed in.
This list can go on forever and if we don't learn from OUR mistakes and try and blame all the problems on the HQ we are destined to forever lose.
 
When did RP go on Glenn Beck? After the Glenn Beck posted a video on YouTube saying he couldn't get a response from RP's campaign and he didn't know what to do and he was tired of RP supporters asking him when RP was going on the show...I would be annoyed at that also. Again, RP's lack or bad media coverage is a direct problem from the campaign, not the grassroots.

EXCELLENT point. At first I was convinced that there was some sort of giant media conspiracy to keep Ron Paul out of the media spotlight. When the youtube video of Glenn Beck came out it sort of opened my eyes to why the media was ignoring Ron Paul. I couldn't believe that the host of one of the top rated political commentary programs was blown off (as Glenn said when HQ originally canceled their previous interview with no warning). He had to practically BEG to make the interview happen!

This completely baffles me and at the same time shed some light. Can you imagine being a top media executive or talk show host and being blown off or better yet having your CONSTANT requests for interviews being ignored or blown off by a campaign?! I sure as hell wouldn't waste my airtime time covering that candidate.

Look, Ron said it from the begging. He said many times that he really didn't want to be in this thing. He was just "along for the ride". Instead of taking the bull by the horns and doing what it took to win, it was more of a "lets ride this thing out and see how far it goes" mentality.

The people in the know (big media, other campaigns ect...) saw these things and knew that this campaign didn't have a chance in hell because was never TRULY in this to win. Hell, he even said it himself that they had to practically twist his arm to get him to run!

His reluctance to ask for money, DEMAND more media time and constantly push his campaign staff (and even the grassroots) for positive results ultimately doomed his presidential run before it ever really started. As great as his message was, it truly was not enough. I hope this thread strikes a chord.

In the end, many factors contributed to the failure of the campaign. From their complete lack of good media relations, Ron Paul's lack of willingness to be a true leader and the lack of any real guidance. Our money was wasted plain and simple. The largest grassroots movement in American political history was squandered by ineptitude and lack of proper leadership. The writing was on the wall from the begging. Its a shame that we now have to debate these failures in hindsight.
 
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I have returned to this site for a visit after a few months away. I contributed mega to the campaign, and lived and breathed Dr. Paul.

I became bitter and twisted towards the end, when I realized that the enthusiasm expressed on this forum, didn't materialise.

Being an ex-pat, with high hopes, and family in the States, I've unfortunately arrived at the conclusion, that most Yanks are ahhh... dumb-fucks.

The best result for me, is the understanding of Economics, as taught by Dr. Paul. I invested in Gold heavily, and am staying liquid.

Crunch time, is around the corner...
 
There was a conspiracy against Dr. Paul, and there always will be. Unfortunately, it's too late now!

Batten down the hatches.
 
All that you say is true about the good things the grassroots did but you left out all the bad things they did and instead listed all the bad mistakes the HQ made.
How about hundreds of frothing at the mouth comments on any site that didn't totaly fawn over RP. How about going onto conservative sites full of veterans and posting "die troops die". Yeaw that got RP a lot of votes.
how about all sites on the net that banned RP supporters? That didn't just happen.
When RP did go on the Beck show he had to answer questions about whether he thought 911 was and inside job.
I have been on forums that are about home hobbies and seen random political comments about RP and most of the people that hated him listed the Paulites as the reason, not anything RP said.
This forum was featured many times on news shows. If any people interested in RP's idea came on here and read some of the threads like who should be killed to make the world a better place or that Stalin didn't kill anyone I am sure they didn't want to vote for RP if that is what his supporter believed in.
This list can go on forever and if we don't learn from OUR mistakes and try and blame all the problems on the HQ we are destined to forever lose.

Kalamth, with all respect to what you just said. Your argument interferes with freedom of speech. You cannot argue about what the people can or cannot say! But what we can argue about is the management of the official campaign and how efficient it is because this management is hired to do a specific job. And they are not free to do anything they want. People were donating money for a purpose! And this purpose was abused! And the donors were ignored!
 
There was a conspiracy against Dr. Paul, and there always will be. Unfortunately, it's too late now!

Batten down the hatches.

Some people actually believe that there is not a conspiracy against him and that the campaign could have made him a MSM favorite. Lol some people will never get it.

They see so many fake conspiracies (like man never landed on moon in 60s), that when a real one comes (blackout of RP) they don't believe it.
 
(sigh)

This thread is like watching the Hannity and Colmes version of why Ron Paul failed.

How many of you expert pundits are delegates to your state conventions? How many RP delegates are you sending to the national convention?

We have 365 members in our meetup. 20% aren't registered to vote and another 20% are registered Democrat or Independent. 40 of us showed up at our county convention to become delegates.

This means that our RP delegates will not be going to the national convention having lost the recommendation vote 2 to 1 instead of completely dominating the vote by 4 to 1.

If anyone can tell me what TV ads have to do with this pathetic situation, I'm all ears.

I spoke to some RP supporters in Pennsylvania last night. They have no idea when their county convention is or was, nor have any idea what delegates are. They only knew what day their primary is.

You know, that popular vote means everything. If we run a million ads, we'll get all of the votes in the primary. :rolleyes:

This information has been available for the entire campaign. We sent out letters in the mail, followed by e-mails. We discussed this strategy for 1/2 a year at our meetings. We saw 40 RP supporters at our convention.

And I KNOW FOR A FACT that our county is not unique in this failure.

Yeah, but it's Kent Snyder's fault. He should have run national ads. THAT would have done the trick.

You insipids who actually believe there was ever a chance that Ron Paul would win the popular vote if campaign HQ would have done this or that used to only cause a chuckle. At this point it's just pathetic. Please find anything else to carp about. for your own sake.

Grassroots raised money and voted in the primaries. A very small minority canvassed, attended rallies and waved signs and an even smaller minority actually got involved in the party to get RP elected.

All of the YT vids violated copyright laws. YT vids could have been handled entirely by Aravoth. If grassroots was serious about production of a national ad campaign, I saw zero viable examples of it. It would have been extremely costly and would have been like pissing on a bonfire in combatting the media blackout.

Ron Paul IS the campaign. He kept a pace that would have sent most of you to the hospital and he kept up that pace for a year. He won the vast majority of straw polls in this country. He amassed the largest grassroots following in history. He shook the establishment to its foundations. He slew the competition in every debate, despite blatant attempts by the organizers of those debates to smear him, marginalize him and limit his time to next to nothing. He won every debate poll but one, in which he placed a close second. He won the support of the majority of active military personnel. He showed the most consistent growth in 2007, despite his complete lack of media face time. He drew the second largest crowds to his rallies of all candidates. He never held back from telling Americans the truth. Despite the media's refusal to report this record breaking campaign, he still did indeed shatter the political record books.

It is we who failed him. We should be sending a 51% majority of unbound delegates to national with the ability to vote for either candidate in the first round. This was the achievable goal that we failed miserably to accomplish. This is the goal that most RP supporters still don't even understand at all.

HQ set and broke records, against all odds. The tiny, tiny, miniscule, loud-mouthed minority of people who have come to this forum every day for the past 1/4 of a year to piss all over the tireless efforts of people like Kent Snyder are the true losers.

Bosso
 
Kalamth, with all respect to what you just said. Your argument interferes with freedom of speech. You cannot argue about what the people can or cannot say! But what we can argue about is the management of the official campaign and how efficient it is because this management is hired to do a specific job. And they are not free to do anything they want. People were donating money for a purpose! And this purpose was abused! And the donors were ignored!
After so long away... The same arguments persist.

As a 95% Libertarian, the minutia of precise government is important.

But, most people are too lazy, stupid, or un-interested to give a stuff.

This is not France. Haha.
 
Some people actually believe that there is not a conspiracy against him and that the campaign could have made him a MSM favorite. Lol some people will never get it.
There is something called Ads and we the supporters can pay for it. I believe you understand the difference between air time and paid Ads.

I do not think there is anybody can deny the conspiracy against RP but at the same time we cannot ignore the failure of the management of this campaign and if there was another experienced management which was able to coordinate efficiently with the grassroots. The campaign would be in a way much better shape and the message would have reached way more people than it did.
 
So what now?

Where do the "keepers of the Knowledge" go?

North Dakota?:)
 
the $30 mil should have gone 100% to promoting RP to the press and MSM. not flyers. not comercials. not ads. Pay for reporter hotels and airline tickets. Have them follow you around everywhere. Stage britney spears events. Fly to every potential interview.

Though these are good ideas. As JB pointed out in his QA thread, the problem was Ron Paul's availability. They wanted to hold more fundraisers in big money states, and campaign more in early states, and have Ron Paul respond to more interviews but ultimately he is an acting Congressman that takes his job very seriously and was already flying back and forth across the country.

JB also talked about the fact that some of the blame is really on Ron Paul himself. I love the guy and he is an inspiration to all, but sometimes you have to frame your message better depending on who you are speaking to. Some people call this "pandering" but I call it politics. Ron Paul is honorable almost to a fault. He would never compromise any single thing he says or how he says it, even if it means losing.

Part of me loves the guy even MORE because of his high integrity. Another part of me thinks that he should have done whatever he needed to do to win, and after that, then he can take back the country.

Of course there were missteps by the campaign itself. In retrospect, I'm sure (or at least hope) that they would have done things differently. JB has said that he feels the precinct leader tool was greatly under utilized early on which might have made a difference.

Ultimately, I wonder if we can take what we've learned and not repeat these mistakes again. We were never going to have a flawless campagin. Many of us are fairly new to politics but I think ALL of us have not only a much better understanding of what we are up against, but also what it takes to win. The experience that our precinct leaders and delegates are getting is amazing. Before this election cycle is over, we might be able to make some policy changes or even take over some powerful positions within the party. The question is, knowing what we know now how would we plan for 2012?

The absolute worst thing that could ever happen would be for us to repeat these mistakes and go do nothing for 3 years while we have the opportunity to build this Movement into a VAST network that would be unstoppable in the next election. This message of Freedom has awakened countless people and has inspired others to not just vote for Freedom, but become ACTIVELY involved in politics. Some of these supporters are running for Congressional offices and look to give Ron Paul some backing so that he isn't the lone voice of Liberty in our corrupt institution.

This Movement is in its infancy stage and it will either crumble by its own infighting, disenfranchisement, or lack of organization.... or it will thrive and compound upon itself until the Movement really does become a Revolution. The fate of this country is in our hands.

Ron Paul ignited this process but he (self admittedly) isn't the future of it. We are. And other leaders MUST emerge if it will ever become successful. I do hope Ron Paul will continue to take a leading roll in uniting the people under a common banner and use his new power to help others rise to defend this country from tyranny.

I for one, don't agree with the complete decentralization of a Movement. It has proven throughout history to NEVER EVER EVER work. If we know anything about our enemy, it is that they are HIGHLY organized and this organization we are fighting against has measures in place to defend itself. Only organized direction will give us the ability to win. In fact our victories so far have been due to organization and planning.

I don't believe we should be so tied to a single central leadership that it can be corrupted and diverted, but a representative overlying strategy that can be disseminated to the local level is essential.
 
Five months ago I invested 100k in gold. Not an easy task in Australia, as the government regulates purchases, and taxes the shit out of you.

None-the -less, I perservered, based on the knowledge I gained on this forum and Dr. Paul.

I am somehow blessed, but we're still all screwed.

Knowledge is good.
 
Kalamth, with all respect to what you just said. Your argument interferes with freedom of speech. You cannot argue about what the people can or cannot say! But what we can argue about is the management of the official campaign and how efficient it is because this management is hired to do a specific job. And they are not free to do anything they want. People were donating money for a purpose! And this purpose was abused! And the donors were ignored!

Very true. It is free speach but if the people that thought it was funny and cute to do these things think that nothing they did hurt the campaign they will keep on doings them. If enough of the people that did theses things, that truely want RP and RP like politician to win realize that these tactics don't win we might have a chance.
I am not letting HQ off. Most of what is said about their competance is unfortunately true. As much as I hate to say this RP himself is lacking in leadership skills and I knew this from the beginning. He has every other quality though.
 
To watch the "pundits" on MSM talking up Wall-Street, is laughable. To never mention the costs of the war, and not mention the dirty word "inflation," kinda gives the less astute of us an easy run. It ain't rocket science.
 
Very true. It is free speech but if the people that thought it was funny and cute to do these things think that nothing they did hurt the campaign they will keep on doings them. If enough of the people that did theses things, that truely want RP and RP like politician to win realize that these tactics don't win we might have a chance.
The fact is that you cannot guarantee this situation to happen even if all the supporters realized this problem. Any other campaign can hire trolls everywhere on the internet and outside and they would claim that they are supporters but they are here and there to interrupt the message and hurt our movement.
You cannot avoid this!
 
What happens now? The worst case scenario is occurring. There's no stopping it.

In Australia, our fed (appointed) just raised our interest rates to 12.5%, attempting to fore-stall inflation. Our dollar is .93 U.S.

You guys are in free-fall, and Ron Paul isn't going to be able to start digging you out.

Sorry, but we're all staring down the gun barrell.
 
One thing I thought was unfortunately inconsistent about the campaign from the start was its stance towards a third party/independent candidacy, even more so than its ambivalence over running to win. You can agree or disagree with Paul's decision not to run third party, but the fact of the matter is the rationale changed over the year. In March of 2007, my understanding was that Paul was running solely for the Republican nomination because he was running to win the Presidency, NOT to be doing an educational campaign. He also didn't want to lose some primary votes over the loyalty issue, and he knew of the legal obstacles (sour grapes laws et al).

But by March of this year, the rhetoric waxed long-term about how "the effort was bigger than winning the Presidency" and with educationally "getting the message out" as reasons for continuing the campaign. Well, if it's no longer about realistically winning this year, why NOT run as an independent? What would be MORE unifying for a movement that was built on the mission of getting Paul elected President this year, than moving forward with the campaign outside the GOP? How can a 3rd party run be out of the question whether or not Paul is campaigning to win? You can't have it both ways, HQ!

I do know that if the campaign had pursued winning the early primaries the way it RAN TO WIN reelection of Paul to his House seat, he would have been in much better position in the national race. Notice there was NO talk of "this election is much bigger than winning a congressional seat" or "it's more important to build for the future" when it came to the 14th CD. A get out the vote effort was vigorously in place, and poll watchers were well-situated everywhere in the district to prevent voter fraud. Where was this play-for-keeps attitude in the Presidential campaign?
 
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