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any idea if any cops at Standing Rock are Oathkeepers?..
I cannot imagine because would that not make them non-Oathkeepers?
any idea if any cops at Standing Rock are Oathkeepers?..
I'm surprised they don't send in Black Water type mercs like they did during Katrina and the BP oil spill.
any idea if any cops at Standing Rock are Oathkeepers?..
For everyone saying "Why aren't then Indians using armed resistance" (@osan @Athan) you know what they would say to you? Been there.....done that......
And as I said, typical thinking of conquered people.
Their only hope of "winning" depends strictly on the largesse or cowardice of the "enemy". That seems like a grand-loser to me. They fear death more than they want to assert their apparently pitiful notion of sovereignty. Their choice, and I will not criticize it beyond saying that this would not have been my choice. I'd have gone armed not to start shooting, but to let the tyrants know that we were not going quietly into that night. Otherwise, I'd just stay home and crack another beer.
Different folks, different strokes, I suppose.
And worse even people here at a "liberty" site don't even know who he is!
Really? I knew who he was even before he was mentioned on Luke Cage.
So get your gun out go start shooting.
Seriously. Don't you have some major revolutionary worthy beef with the feds?
Why do you need the injuns to hit the barbed wire first for you?
Crispus Attucks hit the barbed wire first at the Boston massarce and that was before barbed wire was even invented.
He was the first person killed in the battle that some historians consider the first skirmish in the Revolutionary War. And guess what? He was an escaped slave. After America won its independence his family was still in slavery. And worse even people here at a "liberty" site don't even know who he is! I'm not blaming them. Hell I didn't know who he was for a long time and I'm black.
But back to my real point. There simply aren't enough injuns left to effectively take on the federal government guns or no guns.
There aren't enough blacks to do it either.
And white "patriots" talk a good game and occasionally stand together. Y'all came out for Bundy. Great! Bundy thought he had the silver bullet to take on the feds. He went to another state to help another rancher who was like "thanks but no thanks" and the rancher movement fizzled out.
The injuns know the only way to get what they want is to get enough people caring about their cause to give a flip and non-violent resistance is the best way for them to do that.
If they go out guns and bows a blazin' then they'll just be labled "domestic terrorists" and get carted off to the new Gitmo.
Really? I knew who he was even before he was mentioned on Luke Cage.
I knew who Crispus Attucks was. Had to look up Luke Cage. :o
You have demonstrated far better brains and care than this, so I recommend you cut the crap. Go back and read what I wrote: "I'd have gone armed not to start shooting, but to let the tyrants know that we were not going quietly into that night."
Better reading habits are in order, at the very least. I will not go so far as to claim the same for your honesty.
You admonish seriousness, then run right off those rails like a rank amateur. I will chalk this up to a bad day because I've seen far better from you.
Question presumes facts not in evidence. Do you have a headache? Dog died? Wife leave you? What's up with this?
And now you appear to bring race into the matter, by heavy implication. How does this irrelevancy bear upon the issue at hand? Was it my reference to "conquered people"? Still irrelevant.
I learned about Attucks in first or second grade. Don't blame me for the failings of your school district.![]()
Then what in hell are they doing out there?
The implication is that their actions are futile.
If they seek to die well, then guns would have been very much in order.
I don't see that as being the case, so there is then no apparent point in all the noise making. For the record, I have no idea who is right in this matter, if indeed anyone is. I have heard all manner of conflicting claims as to who holds rights to the lands in question. About the only fault I think I can assess properly relates to the use of ED in the seizure of the rights of way. That is plainly criminal. As for the rest, I have no idea. But if they are on lands to which they do not hold title, they need to back the hell off, all other crimes perpetrated by "government" notwithstanding. Otherwise, government needs to screw off, which we all know they will not when this much money is in question.
Them "injuns" had an apparent opportunity to get more support - ARMED support - for their cause. They refused. Major strategic and tactical FUBAR. It seems these people are not the sharpest knives on the tree... or perhaps I am simply too stupid to see the utter brilliance of their genius-inspired master strategy for victory. Otherwise, this whole deal would appear to be a royal waste of everyone's time. I grew up in great sympathy for Indians and spent a goodly part of my life sweating with my friends and sun dance and all that and while I have endless respect for the cultures on the whole, this brand of apparently thoughtless foolishness does nothing to endear them to me in terms of this particular cause. If they are right, the gov should do right by them. But we all know they will not, leaving the local people with a big decision: make a real stand or make futile noises. They appear to have chosen the latter, but I will eat whatever crow is plated for me in the event I prove the fool on this matter.
Oh FFS man... to do what? Kill all the crackers? Is that your view of justice and propriety for a better world? No whitey? What circumstances do blaque* people have to beef about that they have not willingly put themselves into?
And please, for the sake of some mercy to someone who's never done anything to bring you harm, don't come at me with all that "you don't know what it's like to be black" whinery, because it is trite, clapped-out, and no longer works.
I've spent an adult lifetime watching with great care that which goes on around me. I've watched black people pull theirownselves up by the bootstraps and become successful.
Has it? Serious question because I don't know.
BWAAAA HAA HAA HAA HAA HAA HAA...
Oh, you were serious? Well sink me. Most of the people here don't give a rat's ass about their own rights, as demonstrated by the idleness that endures in the face of that proverbial boot on the face of their sacred rights. What on God's green earth do those apparent dullards think the rest of the world is going to do about this miserable pipeline affair?
If they seek to die well, then guns would have been very much in order.
I saw an audio interview recently Stuart Rhodes, apparently OKs had people who went and were looking around for a place to fit. Welcomed, they were setting in for the winter when a co-owner of the Standing Rock property basically declared "Oath Keepers? That means white supremacist. I want them gone." Pure ignorance, but co-owner of the property, so... what are you going to do? They left.
More than 2,000 veterans expected to form human shield at ND pipeline protest
By Terray Sylvester / Reuters on Nov 30, 2016
CANNON BALL, N.D.— More than 2,000 U.S. military veterans plan to form a human shield to protect protesters of the Dakota Access Pipeline project near a Native American reservation in North Dakota, organizers said, just ahead of a federal deadline for activists to leave the camp they have been occupying.
It comes as North Dakota law enforcement backed away from a previous plan to cut off supplies to the camp -- an idea quickly abandoned after an outcry and with law enforcement's treatment of Dakota Access Pipeline protesters increasingly under the microscope.
Veterans Stand for Standing Rock, a contingent of more than 2,000 U.S. military veterans, intends to go to North Dakota by this weekend and form a human wall in front of police, protest organizers said on a Facebook page. Organizers could not immediately be reached for comment.
"I figured this was more important than anything else I could be doing," Guy Dull Knife, 69, a Vietnam War Army veteran, told Reuters at the main camp.
Dull Knife, a member of the Oglala Lakota tribe from the Pine Ridge Reservation of South Dakota, said he has been camping at the protest site for months.
Morton County Sheriff's Office spokesman Rob Keller said in an email his agency was aware of the veterans' plans, but would not comment further on how law enforcement will deal with demonstrators.
Former U.S. Marine Michael A. Wood Jr. is leading the effort along with Wesley Clark Jr., a writer whose father is retired U.S. Army Gen. Wesley Clark.
U.S. Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, a Democrat from Hawaii and a major in the Hawaii Army National Guard, has said on Twitter she will join the protesters on Sunday.
MORE http://www.grandforksherald.com/new...xpected-form-human-shield-nd-pipeline-protest
Game.
Set.
Match.
Wow.
Plan to Trigger Veterans’ PTSD at Standing Rock Protest?
There has been intelligence mentioned by several sources regarding the veterans group now at Standing Rock. There apparently is a horrible plan within the protest movement to arm veterans who have PTSD, and then trigger a reaction in them to incite violence against law enforcement.
Now, we are hearing the same intelligence from Sheriff Paul D. Laney – Cass County, N.D. He is in charge of Morton County Operations. The plan to exploit veterans is mentioned at 6:04 and 29:05. There is good info throughout the Press Conference video.
NavyJack – Make Sure You Know Who You Are Following Out To Standing Rock
Veterans Stand for Standing Rock
The leaders of this effort are Michael A. Wood Jr. and Wesley Clark Jr. On the surface, the effort appears to be a legitimate attempt on the part of Mr. Wood and Mr. Clark to raise awareness of the Standing Rock tribe protest. Their “Op Order” suggests that they intend to provide much needed relief to the current protesters at the site and to use military formations in order to secure the site perimeter. The language and adjectives used in their literature identifies organizations like the Sheriff’s Dept. as an “opposing force”. I’m sure the Sheriff will not be amused with their stance. They state their “mission” as follows:
“Our mission is to prevent progress on the Dakota Access Pipeline and draw national attention to the human rights warriors of the Sioux tribes regarding the United States lack of treaty enforcement.”
Curious as to the background and capabilities of Michael A. Wood Jr. and Wesley Clark Jr., I reviewed their background and some of the other initiatives they have supported. Mr. Wood was a member of the USMC and a Baltimore City Police Officer. Mr. Wood made the background research effort easy by hosting his own website that touts his achievements. He started seeking media attention in conjunction with the death of Freddie Gray in Baltimore. He takes a hard-stance against his former colleagues at the Baltimore Police Department in numerous interviews with the press and became a minor celebrity in Baltimore with his timely allegations of police wrong doing.....
NavyJack – Protesting at Standing Rock? You May Be Helping George Soros!
The Dakota Access Pipeline company has spent over seven years and millions of dollars consulting with tribes and other stakeholders, lining up the very latest in pipeline-building technology, working with communities from North Dakota through South Dakota, Iowa and Illinois to determine the safest route for the pipeline. In all of this time, sacred burial grounds and concern for alternative water intake sources were never raised by the Standing Rock Sioux tribe.....
hmmm...i'm re-thinking this protest
accurate info would be nice.
There has been intelligence mentioned by several sources regarding the veterans group now at Standing Rock. There apparently is a horrible plan within the protest movement to arm veterans who have PTSD, and then trigger a reaction in them to incite violence against law enforcement.