When will the U.S. economy collapse?

[Becker]

The normalcy bias will have yokels denying the reality until it happens. I think they're trying to slowly ruin the economy so they can continue fooling people through propaganda that everything is OK.

how about slowly ruining the economy because it's inevitable to be ruined, and the slower, the less collateral damage, the less violence and more people benefit?

why must it always be malicious intent to decieve people into doing something?

 

[ihsv]

December 21st, 2012

 

[Becker]

Ron Paul said that the dollar will collapse before next summer.

how much did he (or you) bet on it?

 

[Philhelm]

There will be no collapse. I fully expect the US banking cartel to let Europe fall in an attempt to save its own skin which will set the US recovery in motion. Here’s how I see it happening:

When Europe goes south, and by that I mean Germany can’t afford grain due to their failing EU commitments, the US will set up a “no-fly zone” over the entire European continent. That will be followed by a complete naval blockade and the razing of a few select coastal cities along the Mediterranean just to show we’re serious. Naturally, all of this will be done in an effort to avert a “humanitarian crisis” via a “policy of containment.”

With Europe choked off, the US will then extend a “helping hand” via flooding it with US agricultural products, autos and other “US” goods from every sector we can muster. For our benefit, exports from Europe will be held to a bare minimum in order to create massive trade deficits.

World opposition? Think again. We will have the support of China given our current relationship with them. Likewise for the OPEC nations as we will make sure those deficits benefit them and they will, in turn, place a choke chain on any dissent coming from the Mideast. Russia will naturally be allowed to make a move on a few of the former Combloc countries without reprisal, so they won’t be an issue either.

In short, we will “trade” our way out of our current problem and this scenario will be kept in place until our current financial woes are eliminated.

How’s that for a conspiracy theory?

USA! USA! USA! Oh well, I guess it's better to be on the winnier side. Too bad we won't live in freedom. Actually, if our "leaders" were this cunning, I'd probably respect them more.

 

[Philhelm]

without a when, and how fast, this prediction is useless.

No, it's not. If we can manage to steer the ship in the right direction then knowledge of the inevitible, even if the exact time remains an unknown, is hardly useless. It's impossible to predict the exact moment, but I consider it to be similar to a limit graph, in which our economy infinitely approaches zero...

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

how about slowly ruining the economy because it's inevitable to be ruined, and the slower, the less collateral damage, the less violence and more people benefit?

It's only inevitable because the people who control the centralized economy have deliberately ruined it in order to consolidate power. Now, they want to slowly ruin it so they can more easily trick the people into supporting their takeover of society and deflect blame to libertarians, tea partiers or whoever else. More people will not benefit, the global elite will.

why must it always be malicious intent to decieve people into doing something?

Because that's the reality of the world we live in.

 

[steve005]

if you were a banker, and everyone owed you money, would you want that money to collapse in value? our foundeing fathers warned of inflation followed by deflation, we've seen inflation for the last 60+ years... wouldn't now be a good time for them to tighten up the money supply? seems like all this talk of hyper inflation is all based off qe3 that isn't even forsure

 

[Becker]

No, it's not. If we can manage to steer the ship in the right direction then knowledge of the inevitible, even if the exact time remains an unknown, is hardly useless. It's impossible to predict the exact moment, but I consider it to be similar to a limit graph, in which our economy infinitely approaches zero...

infinitely is useless, if the economy doesn't collapse by the time you die, you've not used the information to your advantage in a lifetime.

so, when you benefit from the collapse prediction, let me know.

 

[Becker]

if you were a banker, and everyone owed you money, would you want that money to collapse in value? our foundeing fathers warned of inflation followed by deflation, we've seen inflation for the last 60+ years... wouldn't now be a good time for them to tighten up the money supply? seems like all this talk of hyper inflation is all based off qe3 that isn't even forsure

inflation followed by deflation is called market balancing, it's no esoteric prediction, it's either inevitable, or the alternative is constant inflation (hyperinflation).

 

[Becker]

It's only inevitable because the people who control the centralized economy have deliberately ruined it in order to consolidate power. Now, they want to slowly ruin it so they can more easily trick the people into supporting their takeover of society and deflect blame to libertarians, tea partiers or whoever else. More people will not benefit, the global elite will.



Because that's the reality of the world we live in.

you mean to say that a sudden, sharp, collapse benefits more people?

we're not talking about stable economy vs ruining economy.
we're comparing slowly ruin vs sudden collapse, tell me, which one benefits more people?

 

[Lafayette]

if you were a banker, and everyone owed you money, would you want that money to collapse in value? our foundeing fathers warned of inflation followed by deflation, we've seen inflation for the last 60+ years... wouldn't now be a good time for them to tighten up the money supply? seems like all this talk of hyper inflation is all based off qe3 that isn't even forsure

You have a point, but the collapse doesn't come because Bernanke goes on vacation and forgets to turn off the press. It comes from a loss of faith in the currency as a result of its devaluation.

 

[steve005]

the value of the dollar going up wouldn't be a crash. loss of faith in our currency could happen worldwide, which would make oil go up, but other then that the general public will still need everypenny and getting harder and harder, so a collapse in the currency doesn't seem probable unless they start throwing money at poor people, but they are only talking about cutting back

 

[John F Kennedy III]

We are already in a depression.

 

[Marenco]

It's more like a gradual decline than a sudden collapse.

 

[Lafayette]

the value of the dollar going up wouldn't be a crash.

It could lead to a deflationary depression, but im not saying thats what will happen.

loss of faith in our currency could happen worldwide, which would make oil go up, but other then that the general public will still need everypenny and getting harder and harder,

You are correct, it would happen worldwide. Not only would oil go up but everything traded in dollars, everything we import, and all those trillions of dollars held by foreigners would come flooding back to us making things 10 times worse. Just think what would happen to all our troops stationed overseas when governments won't accept our money for fuel or rent payments.

so a collapse in the currency doesn't seem probable unless they start throwing money at poor people, but they are only talking about cutting back

Not only are they throwing it at poor people, they are throwing it at the banks, foreign central banks, foreign governments, oil cartels, drug dealers, terrorists, they are throwing it at anyone and everyone who will take it.

Its when no one wants it, that is when the party is over.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

Ron Paul said that the dollar will collapse before next summer.

link?

 

[John F Kennedy III]

if you were a banker, and everyone owed you money, would you want that money to collapse in value? our foundeing fathers warned of inflation followed by deflation, we've seen inflation for the last 60+ years... wouldn't now be a good time for them to tighten up the money supply? seems like all this talk of hyper inflation is all based off qe3 that isn't even forsure

Its about power, not money.

 

[AFPVet]

There aren't any jobs... stagflation is everywhere. We are in the collapse. The question is will we get out of this or will it continue to a road warrior scenario?

 

[Lafayette]

There aren't any jobs... stagflation is everywhere. We are in the collapse. The question is will we get out of this or will it continue to a road warrior scenario?

Pig farmers live like kings in barter town.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

We are already in a depression.

By what measure?