When will Atlas shrug?

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luaPnoR

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How long do you think it will be before you, personally, will find it financially advantageous to stop paying your mortgage/rent, quit your job, and go on the dole for everything?
 
Until I literally can NOT pay my debts. I think it's immoral to borrow money and intentionally default on the debt. Of course, there are priorities. If it comes down to buying food for my family or paying the mortgage/credit card bill, my family comes first. However, so long as I can do both, I will.

How long can I keep it up? Who knows :)
 
Well the numbers show almost a majority of citizens are not paying any taxes and are increasingly dropping out of the labor pool. With our economy slipping into the abyss, I may say fuck it within the year. I am sick and tired of the licenses, taxes, government required insurance and forms and bullshit. Inflation also is very visible, how and where else to put any savings? I've been putting it in gold/silver - that is in a sense the start of saying f you to the government and the system. I know that if we were to get back to our nation's roots, the people would thrive, and society would self-correct many of it's ills.
 
Few months after the movie comes out--got to get the predictive programming in place first. Guess what movie was a few months before 911?

May 25, 2001 Release
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I will live my life by my values, not the values dictated by society or circumstance. I surely won't take a handout because everyone else is.
 
Last year I relocated for a job, and it took me over a year to sell my old house. It was a year of struggle: No dinners out, no movies, no gourmet foods in the fridge, no long drives, no visits to faraway family, car-pooling every day, no cable television, no Starbucks in the morning, ever. It was hard, and it strained my family more than ever before. But we tightened our belts and kept at it. We paid that mortgage payment every month, paid for the upkeep, and finally, after 13 months, sold the house for barely more than we paid for it eleven years before.

But you know what? Now we can be proud. We met our obligations. We proved that we could do what seemed fiscally impossible on paper. We realized how little you really "need," as opposed to merely want.

And I became a better capitalist. There are thousands of people, in good economic times and bad, who are in this situation because they are sacrificing for their futures. They put all they have into a small business, and they work hard and do without for years, paying others while going into debt themselves, in order to make it work.

And you know what? They deserve the big financial rewards, if they ever come. They deserve to keep every penny. And my wife and I deserve our high credit rating and the lower interest rate on our next mortgage, because we fulfilled our obligations and kept our word. Not to impress anyone, but for our own peace of mind.

So, not to sound holier-than-thou, but I'm not going on the dole until I lose the use of my limbs, because it really feels much better to suck it up and take care of business.
 
ihsv said:
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Like in:

Further, the process of transformation,
even if it brings revolutionary change, is
likely to be a long one, absent some
catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a
new Pearl Harbor.

p. 51 of Rebuilding America’s Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century by "Project for the New American Century" (published September 2000).
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Download and read the pdf; look at the membership; quite a chilling little read: http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

Or how Zbigniew Brzezinski puts it in his "The Grand Chessboard" (published April 1997), another must read:

The attitude of the American public toward the external projection of American power has been much more
ambivalent. The public supported America's engagement in World War II largely because of the shock effect of
the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. The engagement of the United States in the Cold War was initially
endorsed more reluctantly, until the Berlin blockade and the subsequent Korean War. After the Cold War had
ended, the emergence of the United States as the single global power did not evoke much public gloating but
rather elicited an inclination toward a more limited definition of American responsibilities abroad. Public
opinion polls conducted in 1995 and 1996 indicated a general public preference for "sharing" global power with
others, rather than for its monopolistic exercise.
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When?

*shrugs*

About the time someone finally tells him where the hell the island is, I guess.
 
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PaleoForPaul said:
I will live my life by my values, not the values dictated by society or circumstance. I surely won't take a handout because everyone else is.
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Have you read Atlas Shrugged?

I'm not for taking a hand out either, it would make me feel dirty. However, if by taking a handout, I can help bring about the collapse of the USSA, then so be it. Unless somebody can help me out with my sig, if so, I'll just go there.
 
luaPnoR said:
How long do you think it will be before you, personally, will find it financially advantageous to stop paying your mortgage/rent, quit your job, and go on the dole for everything?
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Shrugging does NOT mean you renege on your obligations and "go on the dole" -- to do THAT is to become a LOOTER, and is anathema to the cause of John Galt.

What Shrugging *IS* -- is equivalent to "going on strike" -- removing your support for the existing system.

It is recognizing that the one being stolen from, the "victim" who is being looted -- is the people who do the actual work involved in CREATING and MAINTAIN the system -- and no longer being willing to FIX the mistakes of the incompetent looters.

Shrugging is working and living a SIMPLE LIFE -- pulling your own weight, but IN A MINIMALISTIC WAY -- growing enough food for yourself and family, or working "just enough" to maintain yourselves, and contributing AS LITTLE as possible to the "State" and the "establishment."

Go reread Galt's speech.
 
So, not to sound holier-than-thou, but I'm not going on the dole until I lose the use of my limbs, because it really feels much better to suck it up and take care of business.
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This guy reminds me of Hank Rearden. There will always be those people that think if they just work a little harder they will get a break. But in the end the vicious nature of a completely corrupt political system will take everything they have.

The only way to win is to Shrug and break the state instead. When all of the brightest minds are gone and there is no one left to produce, their system will fail. And the rest of us can return to reclaim what was ours, the use of our Free will.

Rider
 
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