When RPF's was born...

[pcosmar]

Try telling any devout American, America does not exist.

Is America a religion ?

It can be.

Who do you serve?

 

[jmdrake]

Then you'd be for banning Ron Paul himself. Which is no surprise to see on this forum given how radically different it has become from his vision.



He specifically calls out the anarchists for being unrealistic, that their ideas require human beings to be perfect, which is something that will never happen. It's the exact same argument that I've been consistently making here all these years... I suppose it's because I'm one of the few who actually listened to him?



That's the heart of the matter.

There are two paths from here to liberty. One requires the complete destruction of civilization. The other merely requires adhering to existing law.

I'll be damned if there aren't way too many people here who consider only the first path to be acceptable.

Ummm....did you actually honestly watch the video you posted? Ron clearly said his goal is moving towards self government. No you can't get there tomorrow. I don't know of any anarchist at RPF that says "We can get rid of all government right now!"

 

[MelissaCato]

Hey, I was praying Ron Paul would be my President for almost 10 years now, heck I'm still praying. lol

 

[HVACTech]

you seem to copy and paste well.

 

[newbitech]

people can't tell the difference between government and "the" government. Actually, I think they do. Clearly Ron Paul is not an anarchist. He flat out says, you always want government. In a perfect world each individual conducts their own government, they govern themselves, this is self-government.

people do the exact same thing with the word anarchy. It has a dual meaning just like government.

We have a bunch of people bickering over semantics for the last 10 years here, trying to control the "narrative".

At one time, the place was somewhere that people with a common goal could come and seek out the truth about what was happening in the USA. People wanted justice, accountability and responsibility from each other and this was a place to talk about it and find it.

Somewhere between learning about Ron Paul's extremely nuanced yet common sense approach to liberty and trying to take over the Federal Government, propaganda and legalism was introduced.

Half the people wanted to expand on the nuances of liberty while the other half wanted to embrace the common sense outcomes of getting results.

There was a huge counter movement operation targeted at what Ron Paul was saying and doing that tried to pick apart every aspect from the ground up.

Eventually the loss of momentum came with successive electoral defeats and culminated in the successor to the movement taking the exact wrong tact at the exact wrong time.

This was the final severance between the two major factions in Ron Paul's liberty movement. Although for many of us, it didn't come as a surprise. Some of us were able to explore the nuances of liberty while remaining practical and motivated.

Others lost bits and pieces of it over time and only hang on here because because(the wonderful things he does? lol late night typo) that is a fire that burned hot, even if it is now only a faint ember.

 

[idiom]

for some reason it was the ancaps who seemed to jump ship for the fascist murder train the fastest. Maybe they were giving up on Rothbards broken ideas, or maybe they just liked the trendy extreme ideas all along?

This site seems like a spoof of a liberty site now.

Mean while I just did my MBA and all the lecturers used Austrian economics. Course was all Schumpeter, Hayek and Mises.

In my time here New Zealand has also gone from around 12th to 1st ish on most freedom and prosperity indexes.

I am in North Carolina for the next six months if anyone has an urge to beat the shit out of me for being a man in a dress. I here that's local sport in the USA.

I have like one neg rep in my entire history, and have always found one account easily sufficient to argue both sides of any issue.

Still. Its weird. The world is on the verge of decision time. Kind of exciting time to be alive.

Also go watch Moana. fucking on point.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Mean while I just did my MBA and all the lecturers used Austrian economics. Course was all Schumpeter, Hayek and Mises.

Down in NZ? That's terrific! The ideas, they're spreading....

In my time here New Zealand has also gone from around 12th to 1st ish on most freedom and prosperity indexes.

Indeed. It's got a lot going for it.

I have like one neg rep in my entire history, and have always found one account easily sufficient to argue both sides of any issue.

True, me too, though it does sometimes confuse people.

Still. Its weird. The world is on the verge of decision time. Kind of exciting time to be alive.

What does this mean? What decision are you thinking of?

 

[idiom]

What does this mean? What decision are you thinking of?

The world is deciding where history will take us next. It is starving for leadership and big ideas and will follow pretty much anyone.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

The world is deciding where history will take us next. It is starving for leadership and big ideas and will follow pretty much anyone.

Cool, got it. Is this really anything special, though? Because I'm pretty sure the world is always starved for leadership and ideas.

Also, welcome back, idiom!

It's good to see you. There was a recent thread about RPFers missing, and I thought of you.

 

[idiom]

Yeah after this post received no replies I took a break to look for more ideas elsewhere.

Been reading a *lot*

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-A-new-site-initiative!&p=6214906#post6214906