When RPF's was born...

[Superfluous Man]

And excessive ban hammer use.

Truth.

 

[Superfluous Man]

Thanks for giving me the most badass American mental image

I wonder if whoever made that would be willing to redo it with a black flag.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I wonder if whoever made that would be willing to redo it with a black flag.

It was originally Reagan

 

[Anti Federalist]

 

[HVACTech]

If it weren't for the goonerment goons holding back progress we wouldn't need roads. Someone would have come up with a hovering car that can float over every surface and take you where you want to go with no restrictions...

there IS some truth to this you know... as my forte has to do with "energy"
I studied it intensely in 07-08.
what I found.. was that "free, cheap clean energy"
would result in like 70% unemployment.

and GOD gave us the answer. it is water.

yes, GOD has a sense of humor.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

That finally went to the then the security company will force you to appear - which of course if you are involuntary brought into a process with which you did not consent, how is that different from the modern state?

Well, it depends what one's problem is with the modern state.

If one objects primarily to mass murder, mass income taxation, mass conscription, and general destruction of society, then it might be significantly different.

If one's primary objection is to forced court appearances, then for all practical purposes the systems are identical.

 

[Pericles]

Well, it depends what one's problem is with the modern state.

If one objects primarily to mass murder, mass income taxation, mass conscription, and general destruction of society, then it might be significantly different.

If one's primary objection is to forced court appearances, then for all practical purposes the systems are identical.

Until government was invented, nobody ever got murdered, raped or robbed eh?

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Until government was invented, nobody ever got murdered, raped or robbed eh?

I do not know: when was government invented? Please tell me that. If you do not know or cannot say any basic facts about the circumstances of "government being invented," such as when it occurred (a really basic, trivial fact!), then.... what? Then the question seems meaningless (or rhetorical) as any atytempted answer would be as well.

But, who am I to shy away from impossible tasks? I shall answer anyway!

I would expect that people have been being murdered and wronged in other ways since Cain.

I would expect this to continue until the Millennium.

I do not expect any attempted re-working (by mortals) of social institutions and arrangements will cause this situation to change.

Of course the rates of these crimes will increase or decrease by various factors.

I do not actually think that those rates can be increased or decreased at will by changes in governmental systems. I think they are beyond the control of government to a certain extent (but not a total extent), and that they are rooted in biological factors (again, to an extent). Specifically epigenetic factors, and also genetic ones, and also shorter-term quicker-acting ones such as pheremones, cognitive programming and manipulation, self-control, willpower, etc.

Anyway, our current State does a good-enough job (for me) at preventing or discouraging the things you mentioned: murder, rape and robbery. Anarcho-capitalism might do as well, and that would be fine. Even a bit worse would be fine.

What I posted was this:

Our current State engages in mass murder, mass income taxation, mass conscription, and general destruction of society. Those are the behaviors I think would be productive to engage in trying to improve.

 

[otherone]

the question is when someone withdraws consent to the rules by which a society operates, does said person have an incentive to essentially screw over everyone else because there is no redress against someone who does not consent to the arbitration or court process in use. Then the string about hiring security companies and so on. All of that missed the point that if someone withdraws consent, he does not recognize the security company or arbitrator you select. That finally went to the then the security company will force you to appear - which of course if you are involuntary brought into a process with which you did not consent, how is that different from the modern state?

SIGH.
A stateless society means that crimes need actual victims, not imaginary ones. It's as simple as that.

 

[pcosmar]

I do not know: when was government invented?

See : Nimrod"/Gilgamesh

shortly after freed from such.
see: Flood

 

[pcosmar]

yes, GOD has a sense of humor.

Yup.

Just look at peoples noses.

 

[MelissaCato]

it was all about Enlightenment.

it was a place for those who "understood" to share.
and thus
promote, their collective knowledge and expertise.

I learned SO much from both RPF's and the Dailypaul.....

and yet in Today's world... we are not even worth an honorable mention... :o
how the hell did that HAPPEN?

I dunno but I waitress now in addition to everything else. LOL

 

[osan]

evil spirits.

Learn to spell "progressives".

 

[HVACTech]

I dunno but I waitress now in addition to everything else. LOL

at the end of the day, all one can really do is plant seeds of knowledge.
on RPF's attempts to discuss the proper size of government will draw fire.

in real life. simply pepper your conversations with the proper size of government and the role that "money" plays.
and what is "money" anyhow?
that is what I do.

RPF's is an anarchist dominated website. it is a great place to sharpen your skills against their arguments.
but in the real world. they are irrelevant.

why? they lack the ability to organize.
they ARE very passionate. and they are also STUPID enough to argue with an HVAC/R tech.
over HVAC/R subjects.

 

[HVACTech]

Learn to spell "progressives".

learn how to write concisely. and make your point.

do you seek to enlighten. or simply display your knowledge Mr Peacock?
as an instructor... I know your type.
excess verbiage. is indicative of a small intellect. and a weak ego.

I possess the ability to make my points succinctly. you do not.

 

[HVACTech]

And excessive ban hammer use.

it was only proper dude.
you look funny in yoga pants.

 

[Anti Federalist]

learn how to write concisely. and make your point.

I possess the ability to make my points succinctly. you do not.

 

[Lord Xar]

Truth be told, I prefer public discussion in liberal/progressive corners of the www. They're easier to talk to. They're more open to reason. It's just such a tough habit to break logging in here, though.

This is the most misery inducing web site I log onto.

My experience has been the opposite. I found that they are much more plugged/cemented into their ideology that it is literally a religion to them.
Try telling any devout person, their God does not exist. Same with liberal/progressives. They are literally capitulating to their ideology.

 

[MelissaCato]

My experience has been the opposite. I found that they are much more plugged/cemented into their ideology that it is literally a religion to them.
Try telling any devout person, their God does not exist. Same with liberal/progressives. They are literally capitulating to their ideology.

Try telling any devout American, America does not exist.

Is America a religion ?

 

[Lord Xar]

Try telling any devout American, America does not exist.

Is America a religion ?