When RPF's was born...

heavenlyboy34 said:
And excessive ban hammer use. :(
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thoughtomator said:
Then you'd be for banning Ron Paul himself. Which is no surprise to see on this forum given how radically different it has become from his vision.



He specifically calls out the anarchists for being unrealistic, that their ideas require human beings to be perfect, which is something that will never happen. It's the exact same argument that I've been consistently making here all these years... I suppose it's because I'm one of the few who actually listened to him?



That's the heart of the matter.

There are two paths from here to liberty. One requires the complete destruction of civilization. The other merely requires adhering to existing law.

I'll be damned if there aren't way too many people here who consider only the first path to be acceptable.
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HB, I think you're right. I just tried to +rep thotamator for posting this excellent video of Ron Paul but I can't because he's been temp banned. :(

Isn't it ironic that on a forum dedicated to self government people don't trust self government? Think about it. Why couldn't a forum be designed around the idea of self government? If I create a thread I can moderate it myself. If someone goes off topic I throw them off my thread or maybe spin off a subthread. If I find someone annoying whenever they get on a certain topic, I should be able to put them on ignore on a per thread or per topic basis. Oh sure, the website is private property. But why have this all based on one centralized website? What about interlinked websites? If we can't figure out self government in the context of web discussion because "Letting people say whatever the hell they want is too scary" then how are we supposed to convince the rest of the world that self governance is a good thing? And yeah, creating what I'm talking about would take some serious software development but I can't even get anyone to consider the idea. Maybe I'll just build it and see who comes.
 
PierzStyx said:
Now I'm just questioning if you actually listened to that video at all. He said that teh ultimate goal is self-government and that his goal was to always be moving in that direction.

He didn't dismissed anarchism. He in fact said that we are moving more and more to the point of when governments would be irrelevant. We just are there yet, but we are moving that direction.

In other words, exactly what Jesse James said.

You need to stop putting your words and your beliefs into Ron Paul's mouth. You only make yourself look more and more foolish when you do.
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Actually you're both right. The key is that Ron Paul said it couldn't work if only one person was doing self governance. The majority around him would suppress him once he came to their attention. What Ron proposed is concentric circles of self government. The individual...the family...the community. Self government begins with a responsible self aware individual. That responsible self aware individual's liberty can best be guarded in the context of a family. (That's why the powers that be are so anti family). You know and are intimate with your household (or you should be) and it's hard to get one member of a household to turn against another (or it should be). That's why police hate responding to domestic calls. The second level should be the local community as in the neighborhood and/or church. Several families coming together for common good and common purpose like creating a community school or a neighborhood security organization. The community should help guard the individual liberty of the families in the community. Police should protect and serve the members of the community. That means that the idea that police have now that they have a right to escalate a situation as much as they need to in order to get "compliance" should be destroyed. They should only escalate as much as necessary to "protect and serve." Killing someone who is supposedly "resisting arrest" when all he's being arrested for is selling loose cigarettes is not "protecting and serving." The community, rather than rioting, should say "If you can't do your job without killing people who aren't threatening anyone's life and/or safety then stay out of our community and we'll hire a security force that actually meets our needs." Paul stopped at that level, but I would say that communities should be able to voluntarily organizes with other communities to form "states" to help defend liberty communities from non liberty communities.
 
jmdrake said:
Actually you're both right. The key is that Ron Paul said it couldn't work if only one person was doing self governance. The majority around him would suppress him once he came to their attention.
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Everyone self governs. Until they violate the King's law.
 
jmdrake;6368310[B said:
]HB, I think you're right.[/B] I just tried to +rep thotamator for posting this excellent video of Ron Paul but I can't because he's been temp banned. :(

Isn't it ironic that on a forum dedicated to self government people don't trust self government? Think about it. Why couldn't a forum be designed around the idea of self government? If I create a thread I can moderate it myself. If someone goes off topic I throw them off my thread or maybe spin off a subthread. If I find someone annoying whenever they get on a certain topic, I should be able to put them on ignore on a per thread or per topic basis. Oh sure, the website is private property. But why have this all based on one centralized website? What about interlinked websites? If we can't figure out self government in the context of web discussion because "Letting people say whatever the hell they want is too scary" then how are we supposed to convince the rest of the world that self governance is a good thing? And yeah, creating what I'm talking about would take some serious software development but I can't even get anyone to consider the idea. Maybe I'll just build it and see who comes.
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one centralized website is of course unnecessary!

"websites" are inherently statist. and as with All states. they are collectives.
self-banishment is the only noble thing to do sir.
please make so, post haste.

honor your noble words sir. :cool:
 
Anti Federalist said:
That is indecipherable gibberish...go take your meds and go to bed
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"hot is on the left, cold is on the right. shit rolls downhill, payday is on Friday"

do I REALLY need to tell you... not to chew your nails? crikey man.
you are slow...

did you notice that I played nice with your buddy? tell me true love. :)

 
thoughtomator said:
There are two paths from here to liberty. One requires the complete destruction of civilization. The other merely requires adhering to existing law.

I'll be damned if there aren't way too many people here who consider only the first path to be acceptable.
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No kidding. These anarchists would have us driving our cars through woods and dirt if it were up to them. How can there possibly be liberty, without roads?
 
..'alt-right' 'tea-party' etc., are merely new terms for the same old goddamned fool republicans...nothing really 'new' with republicans...

...same old monetary ignoramuses, imperialists/interventionists, gd fool abortion prohibitionists, fascists, etc...
 
H. E. Panqui said:
..'alt-right' 'tea-party' etc., are merely new terms for the same old goddamned fool republicans...nothing really 'new' with republicans...

...same old monetary ignoramuses, imperialists/interventionists, gd fool abortion prohibitionists, fascists, etc...
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the altright and tea party are completely different.

the alt right generally supports abortions. they know it is mostly poor minorities that have them so they "don't have a problem" with them aborting their kids.
 
TheTexan said:
No kidding. These anarchists would have us driving our cars through woods and dirt if it were up to them. How can there possibly be liberty, without roads?
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If it weren't for the goonerment goons holding back progress we wouldn't need roads. Someone would have come up with a hovering car that can float over every surface and take you where you want to go with no restrictions...
 
ChristianAnarchist said:
If it weren't for the goonerment goons holding back progress we wouldn't need roads. Someone would have come up with a hovering car that can float over every surface and take you where you want to go with no restrictions...
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See? Hates roads.

I rest my case.
 
jj writes: the altright and tea party are completely different.

:cool:

...'completely different'?!? :confused:

...i believe you'll find alt-righters and tea partiers are identical in that they both strongly tend to support the goddamned fool republicans...

"the alt right generally supports abortions. they know it is mostly poor minorities that have them so they "don't have a problem" with them aborting their kids."

...please name some names...i believe, for one example, the alt-righties at 'not-too-brightbart' are your typical goddamned fool republican abortion prohibitionists...
 
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Anti Federalist said:
b - climbing to a high place with a rifle.
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Thanks for giving me the most badass American mental image

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