when are we allowed to get ANGRY?

[AceNZ]

ANy weird laws the slap on foriegners living in their country?

Nope. Permanent Residents are treated like citizens in almost every way. You can even vote. The only things you can't do are to run for political office or serve in the military (until you obtain citizenship, which takes 5 yrs).

 

[jon_perez]

but yeah, the generation above us gave us a crapload of problems to deal with, and sadly, I don't think they can be solved (unless Ron is elected...even then, the next Prez could destroy all of Ron's policies).

Why does everyone think reform rests on one man alone? This fatalistic, want-of-a-saviour thinking is so naive and reflects a self-imposed attitude of despair and lack of self-confidence.

There are many good people in government who understand what's going on, even the "bad" ones are mainly there because their constituents ALLOW themselves to be pandered to. You get the government you deserve.

Putting everything on Ron Paul's (or any other single personality's, for that matter) shoulders is yet another indication of a citizen trying to wash responsibility off of his/her hands for ensuring that he lives under good government. It is not Ron Paul per se that needs to get elected president, it is scores and scores of people who have similar ideas as him and in all the different branches of government.

And you have to get most of your fellow citizens to change their welfare state mindset. Take note, this is a TOUGH job, there are good reasons the welfare state evolved into being in the first place, mainly because it always sounds like a free ride at the beginning.

 

[vertesc]

why that generation in particular

Many people have responded to my post that this is a response common to every generation - anger at what their parents left them. Perhaps. But no one left my parents generation 30 trillion dollars in debt. I blame the boomer generation - and perhaps the generation before - because they were the first to buy into the "government as a tool to solve social problems" mentality in a big way. The venom of government intervention in individual lives was spread in the 60s. It is the great task of my generation to repair the damage caused by this fundamentally flawed thinking.

 

[pinkmandy]

I think there were Americans who were awake even "back then". They saw what was happening and guess what? Just like today, the masses ignored them. They did not have a "Ron Paul", we do and we have to make the most of THIS TIME. What we are seeing right now cannot be blamed on one generation- we are FORTUNATE that it is ours that got the wake up call. And why did we wake up? Because things have gotten THAT bad. That's what it took. Otherwise the wake up may have happened after Dr. Paul and beyond our time as well.

And don't forget the internet...it has been VITAL to being informed, communicating, getting together with similar ideas. They didn't have that, either.

Fwiw, I'm pissed, too. Pissed that they were so trusting. We are jaded- we grew up seeing the proliferation of sex, watching the news and knowing that there were pervs out there after us kids, foul language, scandals galore. Our environments made us skeptical, made us less trusting, kwim?

 

[DirtMcGirt]

Thanks for the divorce rate...

 

[Pauls' Revere]

Enema

This country needs a gigantic enema! I'd be happy to give it.

 

[BreakYourChains]

I suppose someone could run on a euthansia campaign to reduce government spending.

I wouldn't be too harsh on the older generation. They are the ones who are really screwed. You can see it in their eyes when you begin to explain how the US banking system is experiencing a bank run and soon their retirement will evaporate. They feel helpless ..... and are. They've worked their entire lives and are going to have it go poof. At least those under 50 can still earn something and adapt quicker with technology by using things like GoldMoney.

Join the Ron Paul Gold Rush!

Yes, and they believe in this system, and they have eaten this poison food and they are taking this poison medicine forced upon them by our media and by this system. They are sad, but they have been brainwashed, just like 99% of the population is. Do you younger ones realize, that up until probably 10-15 years ago, the TV was not allowed to advertise all of these drugs? Now, the TV tells people they are sick, or suggests that if you have these symptoms, you might have this disease! Wake up everyone! Our health is severely under attack, and it is under attack by the same people who are trying to stop us! Stop eating the junk food, stop drinking pop, stop eating processed food, stop believing the lies! Stop using artificial sweeteners like aspartame in diet Coke - it is poison! You are young enough to save your bodies for many years, and not be dependent on the drugs these older people are dependent on. Learn now to plant a garden and grow your own food. Find a way and do it this spring. Do not be dependent on others to produce your food for you. If you do, you will be sick like the rest of this country.

I had what I thought was a wonderful idea a few years ago. You see, I have been awake since 2000. So, I thought I could get my mother and father, and other old people who do not have too long left on this earth, to see the truth, and to help to spread the truth to others. I thought they would join me, and worry about the upcoming generations. I thought they would do the right thing, and rush to help. I was wrong. I was shocked. They were only afraid they would lose their "checks," afraid they would lose their drugs. I have never really felt the same about them in my heart. I still love them, but have lost respect. So, I now try to do what I can do to change this mess of a world, so that the younger people might have a chance at a good life.

Do not hate them. If you treat them horribly, you will be doing the same thing they are doing to us. Some humans are just not like others. I often wonder if the evil ones are really human at all? Makes one wonder about evil. I always supposed there was an equalibrium between good and evil. Now, all I see around me is evil. Something is wrong with this picture. Perhaps it is because those who were once good are choosing the other side because of fear? Or perhaps I am just confusing evil with ignorance and complacency? I am still searching for the answers myself. I only know we must stick together and work to change this miserable system into something entirely new. We cannot become that which we desire to change, no matter what.

 

[dvictr]

im for turning the revolution violent... but apparently thats against forum policy ;p

 

[raiha]

Why does everyone think reform rests on one man alone? This fatalistic, want-of-a-saviour thinking is so naive and reflects a self-imposed attitude of despair and lack of self-confidence.

There are many good people in government who understand what's going on, even the "bad" ones are mainly there because their constituents ALLOW themselves to be pandered to. You get the government you deserve.

Putting everything on Ron Paul's (or any other single personality's, for that matter) shoulders is yet another indication of a citizen trying to wash responsibility off of his/her hands for ensuring that he lives under good government. It is not Ron Paul per se that needs to get elected president, it is scores and scores of people who have similar ideas as him and in all the different branches of government.

And you have to get most of your fellow citizens to change their welfare state mindset. Take note, this is a TOUGH job, there are good reasons the welfare state evolved into being in the first place, mainly because it always sounds like a free ride at the beginning.

Well spoken! Personal reponsibility!Actions have consequences. Spoonfedism means people do not delve deeper to find the truth for themselves. Wanting a saviour is part of that mind-set.
And that does mean, I am sorry people, voters do get the government they deserve. Pity the rest of the world has to endure your voter's consequences as well. Not to mention people on this forum.

 

[jkm1864]

I just think the Government needs a little push. Now what that push is is yet to be seen. The push could be non violent protest or it could get ugly we never know. But as far as things are and the evil Machinations of the elite it might get ugly.

 

[torchbearer]

im for turning the revolution violent... but apparently that against forum policy ;p

We all know this without saying it... we will know when the time is right.
Step one try : 1st amendment , ballot box
if that failes
Step two try: 2nd amendment, ammo box

 

[raiha]

I don't think its very sensible to talk like this on here. Big Brother is watching. Jackboots in the night are not far away.

 

[torchbearer]

I don't think its very sensible to talk like this on here. Big Brother is watching. Jackboots in the night are not far away.

Depends on how many jockboots are willing to sacrifice themselves for fascism.
This beaut will lock down any hallway: http://www.saiga-12.com/

 

[Nicketas]

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[jon_perez]

im for turning the revolution violent... but apparently thats against forum policy ;p

Don't let yourself get whipped up by the demagogues, that's exactly what happened in Germany under Hitler and look what good it did for the people themselves.

Sure there are cons to having the Fed around (and also a lot of advantages, for those who haven't been brainwashed by the anti-Fed propaganda), but blaming the Fed for each and every ill is not that much different from how the Germans blamed the Jews for their economic misery back in WW2.

For what it's worth, I have barely heard a thing (lately) from Ron Paul regarding the Fed that reflects paranoia, irrational accusations or lack of education even if at the same time he is very strongly against it. It is clear Ron Paul is one of the most economically well-versed politicians to come along. However, you get tons of teens on YouTube who, armed with a teeny bit of knowledge(*) and not bothering to acquire more, think they are suddenly experts in a monetary policy topic for which the debate has raged on for over a century.

The only problem is that such ignorants love to plaster Ron Paul's name to each and every pet conspiracy theory of theirs, while Paul does not dissociate himself from people who DO indulge in such and it makes look like he supports people with agendas and beliefs of questionable credibility. Sad to say, but I believe this works against Paul. To be fair, even Paul himself used couched, opaque and imprecise vocabulary to describe the Fed when he was younger. What I hear from him nowadays is far more articulate and reflects a deeper understanding - although I'm sure it reflects the same overall belief structure.



(*) In the Youtube video above, the girl says "[the Fed has cheated Americans out of their dollar] with the complicit help of a corrupt congress". Too bad she didn't ask herself the all-important question of how Congress became that way in the first place (answer: ya voted them in, ya maroon!). Moreover, Ron Paul is about strengthening Congress (accountability and all) and weakening the executive, so her "Ron Paul is our only savior" stance is reflects a gross misunderstanding of the issues. Furthermore she calls Ron Paul an economics "scholar", which is not categorically correct. It's great to see young people shed their apathy for the political process, but the next step is to shed their ignorance of it. Follow Paul's example, for real.