Whats with all the 9/11 junk?

[CoreyBowen999]

I agree. Whether it's a conspiracy or not,

A) This was not the time or place to express that viewpoint. This was an event to support Ron Paul, the Campaign for Liberty, and continued grassroots efforts to get liberty-minded candidates elected. 9/11 truth doesn't fall into any of the above.

B) Although the truthers probably feel as though this movement best espouses their political beliefs, by pointing out the obviously rampant corruption in our government and vowing to eliminate it....you're not helping your cause by throwing 9/11 truth in people's faces. People don't view it with an open mind. I'm not saying it's right, but that's the way it is. Choose your battles wisely - smaller government, lower taxes, less inflation, less war is a platform that can be very popular and win. Rally for "truth" later.

agreed.

 

[V-rod]

 

[Anti Federalist]

 

[Peace&Freedom]

....you're not helping your cause by throwing 9/11 truth in people's faces. People don't view it with an open mind. I'm not saying it's right, but that's the way it is. Choose your battles wisely - smaller government, lower taxes, less inflation, less war is a platform that can be very popular and win. Rally for "truth" later.

But of course, you can't win any battle for smaller government with 9-11 official dogma fueling an expansive security state. You can't win any battle for lower taxes with 9-11 out there creating an ongoing pretext for spending to support pre-emptive wars without end. You can't win any battle for less inflation while the Fed is viewed as justified in pumping out more dollars to fund the War. And you can't win any battle for less war as long as the Great War Against Terror remains the underlying rationale for more war, thanks to 9-11.

The utter lack of comprehension of the importance of the 9-11/false flag issue by the anti-truthers is frankly staggering. The emotional momentum that the official '19 Arabs' conspiracy dogma gives to the bogus war on terror is almost singlehandedly suffocating all attempts to get our freedom back. Just as the liberty movement has to tell the truth about taxes, the fed, empire-building and limited government as a precondition for getting anywhere towards freedom, telling the truth about the inside job will get the biggest emotional barrier currently propping up the demand for big government out of the way, so the freedom message can become more popular. 'The truth will set you free'---which means, it comes first.

Face it, the nonstop war-and-security message has been winning over the freedom message hands down, largely due to the 9-11 official myth. Truthers are like the guy in the movie "They Live," who has to literally beat up the black guy to get him to put the glasses on, and see the truth---only AFTER which he is really able to fight for freedom. Anti-truthers, I would suggest getting the truth message out while wearing a rabbit suit is A LOT more benign than beating you up. The government is wetting on your leg, guys---you have to stop believing them when they tell you that it's raining. Put the glasses on!

 

[lucius]

Where do you come up with this obscure shit?

Bingo, define: obscurantism

 

[JK/SEA]

But of course, you can't win any battle for smaller government with 9-11 official dogma fueling an expansive security state. You can't win any battle for lower taxes with 9-11 out there creating an ongoing pretext for spending to support pre-emptive wars without end. You can't win any battle for less inflation while the Fed is viewed as justified in pumping out more dollars to fund the War. And you can't win any battle for less war as long as the Great War Against Terror remains the underlying rationale for more war, thanks to 9-11.

The utter lack of comprehension of the importance of the 9-11/false flag issue by the anti-truthers is frankly staggering. The emotional momentum that the official '19 Arabs' conspiracy dogma gives to the bogus war on terror is almost singlehandedly suffocating all attempts to get our freedom back. Just as the liberty movement has to tell the truth about taxes, the fed, empire-building and limited government as a precondition for getting anywhere towards freedom, telling the truth about the inside job will get the biggest emotional barrier currently propping up the demand for big government out of the way, so the freedom message can become more popular. 'The truth will set you free'---which means, it comes first.

Face it, the nonstop war-and-security message has been winning over the freedom message hands down, largely due to the 9-11 official myth. Truthers are like the guy in the movie "They Live," who has to literally beat up the black guy to get him to put the glasses on, and see the truth---only AFTER which he is really able to fight for freedom. Anti-truthers, I would suggest getting the truth message out while wearing a rabbit suit is A LOT more benign than beating you up. The government is wetting on your leg, guys---you have to stop believing them when they tell you that it's raining. Put the glasses on!

As a State Delegate for Ron Paul, AND a future PCO, i think this states my position exactly. Thanks for posting.

 

[V-rod]

Truthers are like the guy in the movie "They Live," who has to literally beat up the black guy to get him to put the glasses on, and see the truth---only AFTER which he is really able to fight for freedom. Anti-truthers, I would suggest getting the truth message out while wearing a rabbit suit is A LOT more benign than beating you up. The government is wetting on your leg, guys---you have to stop believing them when they tell you that it's raining. Put the glasses on!

Glad there are people out there willing to shove their version of the red pill down my throat. Sounds very Stalinist to me.

Just like some on the forum who advocated to use delegates in hopes of nabbing the "nomination" and negating the votes of the majority of GOPers who voted for McCain in the primaries. McCain was pretty much on the bottom of my list of candidates, but thats no excuse.

Some are willing to steal the votes away from American citizens in order to "save them from themselves". The tyrants throughout history should of taken some notes. I don't think thats the "Revolution" Ron Paul had in mind.

 

[khioli]

You know I almost quit the revolution march when a long time truth seeker friend called me a nazi for not believeing.The same thing she does thats.She believs something about con trails mind control.I had to laugh that one off.But I am glad this board was made.Cause I am not the only one who does not believe in it thanks

 

[bubbleboy]

its simple, some folks love the truth, others choose to stay in darkness. Truth WILL set us free.

 

[Brent Canada]

1. If you're objective and watch/read both the truth and the truth debunking media out there, you'll more than likely realize 9/11 wasn't an inside job. Simply a severe lack of competence on the governments part. Most truthers, chose what "Truth" they want to believe.

2. Even if 9/11 was an inside job. It will never be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt and never gain any steam among the mainstream. So it's a waste of energy.

3. Even it it was an inside job, who cares? There's cops tazering innocent people, government stealing peoples kids and raiding legal medical marijuana grow-ups. This is all out in the open and proven. You'll expose the government a lot faster telling people about this corruption. Than what they perceive as Alien conspiracy type kookiness.

 

[malkusm]

But of course, you can't win any battle for smaller government with 9-11 official dogma fueling an expansive security state. You can't win any battle for lower taxes with 9-11 out there creating an ongoing pretext for spending to support pre-emptive wars without end. You can't win any battle for less inflation while the Fed is viewed as justified in pumping out more dollars to fund the War. And you can't win any battle for less war as long as the Great War Against Terror remains the underlying rationale for more war, thanks to 9-11.

The utter lack of comprehension of the importance of the 9-11/false flag issue by the anti-truthers is frankly staggering. The emotional momentum that the official '19 Arabs' conspiracy dogma gives to the bogus war on terror is almost singlehandedly suffocating all attempts to get our freedom back. Just as the liberty movement has to tell the truth about taxes, the fed, empire-building and limited government as a precondition for getting anywhere towards freedom, telling the truth about the inside job will get the biggest emotional barrier currently propping up the demand for big government out of the way, so the freedom message can become more popular. 'The truth will set you free'---which means, it comes first.

Face it, the nonstop war-and-security message has been winning over the freedom message hands down, largely due to the 9-11 official myth. Truthers are like the guy in the movie "They Live," who has to literally beat up the black guy to get him to put the glasses on, and see the truth---only AFTER which he is really able to fight for freedom. Anti-truthers, I would suggest getting the truth message out while wearing a rabbit suit is A LOT more benign than beating you up. The government is wetting on your leg, guys---you have to stop believing them when they tell you that it's raining. Put the glasses on!

You're not going to convince people that 9/11 was an inside job any faster than you'll convince them that it was the tooth fairy.

Closed-minded people are closed-minded. You have to work around it.

The brain surgeon has to carefully and tactfully use the instruments at his disposal. The 9/11 truth tool is a power drill. It's turning people away before they ever see the rest of the message, even if they would have agreed with every bit of it.

Again, I didn't say it was right, I said that's the way it is. You make a valid point, that 9/11 fuels the need for many to feel secure and let the government take over. But you don't get them back on your side by telling them the world as they know it is an illusion. You plant the seed and make them question something small, which leads them to the light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[Danke]

You know I almost quit the revolution march when a long time truth seeker friend called me a nazi for not believeing.The same thing she does thats.She believs something about con trails mind control.I had to laugh that one off.But I am glad this board was made.Cause I am not the only one who does not believe in it thanks

If contrail (aka chemtrails) leads to mind control, how does that explain your friend's thinking, or ours?

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

1. If you're objective and watch/read both the truth and the truth debunking media out there, you'll more than likely realize 9/11 wasn't an inside job. Simply a severe lack of competence on the governments part. Most truthers, chose what "Truth" they want to believe.

2. Even if 9/11 was an inside job. It will never be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt and never gain any steam among the mainstream. So it's a waste of energy.

3. Even it it was an inside job, who cares? There's cops tazering innocent people, government stealing peoples kids and raiding legal medical marijuana grow-ups. This is all out in the open and proven. You'll expose the government a lot faster telling people about this corruption. Than what they perceive as Alien conspiracy type kookiness.

+1

E komo mai

 

[Peace&Freedom]

1. If you're objective and watch/read both the truth and the truth debunking media out there, you'll more than likely realize 9/11 wasn't an inside job. Simply a severe lack of competence on the governments part. Most truthers, chose what "Truth" they want to believe.

2. Even if 9/11 was an inside job. It will never be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt and never gain any steam among the mainstream. So it's a waste of energy.

3. Even it it was an inside job, who cares? There's cops tazering innocent people, government stealing peoples kids and raiding legal medical marijuana grow-ups. This is all out in the open and proven. You'll expose the government a lot faster telling people about this corruption. Than what they perceive as Alien conspiracy type kookiness.

-1776.

1. I have been objective, and have hosted close TV debates on 9-11 (google Hardfire, me and ETC 7), and it's the debunking position that has been debunked. From the NORAD standdown to 50+ FBI non-followups, the 'incompetence' theory doesn't account for numerous instances where government personnel WERE ORDERED NOT TO ACT, and thus were never in a position to act either competently or incompetently.

2. Almost no case is ever proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, so are almost all cases a waste of energy? Numerous polls show at least a third of the public believes the inside job view---mainstream territory.

3. LOL. The phrasing sounds 100% consistent with what a government shill would say, carefully packing "Alien kookiness" into the pot at the end. Who cares? Anyone who does not want the same routine used in the next inside job. The truth is, 9-11 was not only a false flag op, it was merely the LATEST false flag op, after Northwoods, Gulf of Tonkin, the attempt to sink the USS Liberty, etc.

You do realize people who have criticized the fed, pot raids and police brutality over the years have been likewise stigmatized as alarmist kooks, regardless of the proof? It's only when the liberty movement stopped caring what the self-serving corporate regulators of 'mainstream' think, that we've gained momentum. Same should go for the inside job---so let's not have that issue cow us back into the pre-Paul era.

 

[yongrel]

-1776.

1. I have been objective, and have hosted close TV debates on 9-11 (google Hardfire, me and ETC 7), and it's the debunking position that has been debunked. From the NORAD standdown to 50+ FBI non-followups, the 'incompetence' theory doesn't account for numerous instances where government personnel WERE ORDERED NOT TO ACT, and thus were never in a position to act either competently or incompetently.

2. Almost no case is ever proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, so are almost all cases a waste of energy? Numerous polls show at least a third of the public believes the inside job view---mainstream territory.

3. LOL. The phrasing sounds 100% consistent with what a government shill would say, carefully packing "Alien kookiness" into the pot at the end. Who cares? Anyone who does not want the same routine used in the next inside job. The truth is, 9-11 was not only a false flag op, it was merely the LATEST false flag op, after Northwoods, Gulf of Tonkin, the attempt to sink the USS Liberty, etc.

You do realize people who have criticized the fed, pot raids and police brutality over the years have been likewise stigmatized as alarmist kooks, regardless of the proof? It's only when the liberty movement stopped caring what the self-serving corporate regulators of 'mainstream' think, that we've gained momentum. Same should go for the inside job---so let's not have that issue cow us back into the pre-Paul era.

 

[torchbearer]

1. If you're objective and watch/read both the truth and the truth debunking media out there, you'll more than likely realize 9/11 wasn't an inside job. Simply a severe lack of competence on the governments part. Most truthers, chose what "Truth" they want to believe.

2. Even if 9/11 was an inside job. It will never be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt and never gain any steam among the mainstream. So it's a waste of energy.

3. Even it it was an inside job, who cares? There's cops tazering innocent people, government stealing peoples kids and raiding legal medical marijuana grow-ups. This is all out in the open and proven. You'll expose the government a lot faster telling people about this corruption. Than what they perceive as Alien conspiracy type kookiness.

+1

 

[Menthol Patch]

Really really disappointing. All the signs and t-shirts made me sick.

This isn't about your damn 9/11 conspiracy. Grow a brain.

9/11 was an inside job. The evidence is overwhelming.

Anyone who denies this has not done the research.

If we can expose 9/11 the cult of the omnipotent state will collapse.

 

[Menthol Patch]

It's really interesting to know that many people on here think the HERO of 9/11 William Rodriguez is a liar.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4380137365762802294

He was in the basement along with many others before the first plane hit. There was an explosion in the basement levels below him and THEN the first plane hit. People were running up from the lower levels of the basement with skill peeling off.

His testimony along with others who were in the basement is just one piece of evidence among many that 9/11 was an inside job.

 

[rpfan2008]

I think junk is the word that best describes those people who
1. believe it was an act of a bunch of (poorly armed) blade runners.
2. knows it wasn't but are afraid to come out and speak.

When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it--always.

-Gandhi

 

[Clarkstmusic]

911

I only saw the one guy yelling and a few people with t-shirts. I wasn't bothered by it at all and I don't believe it in any way harms our movement. There is nothing wrong with encouraging people to question the 9/11 story. I think they would reach more people at an Obama or McCain rally though.

The 911 truth movement is at both Obama and McCain's rallies. And we are alot more vocal and definately a lot more pissed off at those rallies.

I understand that many are upset about the 911 truth movement and feel that it is indeed a very touchy subject. And it is because of that touchy subject that we push so hard for the truth. I know there are many out there that say we are stupid, un-researched, kooks, etc. etc.
But, the fact is we arent any of those. Just because you may have encountered a truther that didnt have a good arguement for the movement doesnt mean a good arguement doesnt exist.
The fact is, the collapse of those buildings defies the laws of physics. Im sorry if the non truthers yet Ron Paul supporters dont want to believe. We are gaining momentum from all other areas of the political spectrum anyway.
And if an event like Rev March isnt the place to be vocal about something like the horrible murders of 911, then where is the place.

How dare any of you cast shame on a truther. We have worked so very hard, not only for 911 truth, but also for promoting freedom and constitutional awareness.

Shame on you