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What's Really Going On In America?
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Nailed it.
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Yup. First they want to do the same thing to Trump that they did to Bernie Sanders both in 2016 and 2020. Use whatever means necessary in their arsenal of voting and election tricks to take him out. Then, if they succeed, they want the people after some self reflection to realize "hey, we voted in this child molester, through the democratic process, this is on me and my neighbor, it was our choice, and we happily accepted that choice, progress, we did the right thing, we are America".
But honestly at this point, the 2020 election is in doubt of occurring. We'll see what happens, but it's not looking favorable, especially with the recently increased marketing push for the sequel coming to a town near you: Covid-1984 Part 2: Trust Us This Time, No.. Seriously
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While all the reasons may not be clear, one thing is clear that nothing happens in a vacuum.
The backdrop of this is a near agreement between both major political parties' leadership on supporting social justice/BLM campaigns, minoritoes outreach (even a mini competition perhaps) probably first time in US history (without having looked into Abe Lincoln era political dynamics). So there is high political risk for those taking a stance against such a power cluster. BLM activists being invited to Republican White House these days and causing US government threat against a foreign country like Sweden is another indicator how political culture in Washington has radically changed after Obama/Trump elections.
Wrt 'police state', such force application seems to be geared towards terrorism threats mostly and protests like these going on currently are being given lot of room (countless reports of police, national guard, top national leaders taking a knee alongwith protesters). One recent example from this week (unconfirmed), a Republican run KY locale according to POTUS supporters saw proterers stopping MAGA crowd from joining POTUS rally in Tulsa.
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All of the reason are CRYSTAL CLEAR.
It has nothing to do with riots or coronavirus. Those are merely mechanisms to implement full blown totalitarian police state apparatus, not just in the U.S., but Globally.
As I suggested to you before, you need to Follow the Money which has already been done for you. All of the information has been posted here on RPF numerous times. But, it seems people are clutching on to that left/right paradigm and the information is completely ignored.
It is beyond ridiculous that people are still discussing, speculating and looking for reasons/answers when the information is staring you directly in the face.
On that note, say goodbye to liberty. If you and others on this forum don't get it by now, there is no way on earth the rest of the population will. I mean jeez, just look at your and [MENTION=34697]Champ[/MENTION] responses.
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I'd put the odds at 50/50 that Biden is the actual candidate by the time the election takes place. Biden's people have emphasized that that the VP choice will be ready to go as POTUS on day one. We'll see what happens at the "convention". They could drop Biden there. Or Biden could announce anytime before the election that he is stepping down for medical reasons, his VP pick will take over, and they could announce the new VP at the same time. Or just a promise that he will step down right after the inauguration. "Vote for Uncle Joe! He deserves to win before he retires!"
As for the riots, they could help to defeat Trump in an election. Or they could force or bait Trump into doing something that will defeat him in the election. And as for the first four years, Trump could do something so they can impeach him, and maybe even convict him in the Senate.
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Where's the percentage in it?
If getting him out was their intention, they'd have given Kirsten Gillibrand or someone equally viable all the publicity, just as they did Obama in '08, and with the economy crashing, the incumbent would have been easy to vote out. Hell, after having their hopes dashed by Hilldog because she's a seriously frightening criminal, American females (fifty-what percent of the voting public?) would have jumped on Gillibrand like a dog on a bone.
Why would they make it hard on themselves? It's Biden's turn? Bull. It wasn't Obama's turn in '08; he'd only just got there. When will it be Schumer's turn? Don't buy it.
Getting Trump out would be easy. Looks to me like they're working hard to keep him in.
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Whats really going on? A Communist Revolution. Its been going on since before most of us where born, and if it wasn't so tragic, you'd almost have to admire it. Think about the decades of planning this took. And How amazing it is that all those crazy conspiracies you heard from your weird friend turned out to be true. These people infiltrated universities, public schools, various bureaucracies, and even some in the military. The youth that was exposed to them at schools went out into the world and a few of them became highly successful technocratic oligarchs. Some of them are city councilmen, CEOs, congressmen, mayors. Everywhere there is authority, that's where they are.
Those that didn't attain that level of success became the disenfranchised. Paying off a four year degree on a minimum wage job made them bitter, and maybe it should have. They were told that if they went to college, life would be good for them. It was a lie, they didn't get high paying jobs handed to them after graduating, but they did get convinced that socialism was the way of the future.
Over the last 10 years or so, the technocrats gave them free platforms with which they could connect to each other and organize at blinding speed. Social media was the hottest new drug, highly addictive, and able to monitor your every move, and in some cases, predict your behavior. All that was needed now was a massive, economically crushing disaster to widen the rift between people.
Covid19, to these people, was either a gift from the heavens, or a manufactured disaster. Either way, they took full advantage of it. Social Media began censoring speech in a way not seen before, fear spread instantly across the country. Two week illegal lock-downs lasted two months. People got arrested for working.......working. With no money, no jobs, and very little hope of being able to provide for themselves, desperation began to set in. The economy was wrecked. Our government, as always and without regard to future consequences, felt the need to do "something". Four trillion dollars later, we are now staring down both barrels of a monetary crisis. What little money people have, is now in serious danger of becoming worthless.
Then George Floyd was killed, and the angry mob was unleashed. BLM and their Antifa allies outed themselves as Marxist revolutionaries, began to destroy our historical monuments, burn businesses to the ground, and seize control of a major downtown area in a major US city. Even more crazy than that is that the leadership in this country is doing nothing about. Even the Mayor of Seattle out-right endorsed the takeover. Every reporter on CNN and MSNBC called this one big peaceful protest, even as buildings burnt down behind them.
Ladies and Gentlemen, that's just what happened in the last three months......
They will not stop there. If history has taught us anything, it's that once Marxists are done with Statues, they will start censoring movies, banning books, they will try to make it impossible to practice religion. Which wouldn't be hard, since the Churches in a lot of areas are empty right now, and utterly defenseless.
There is no doubt about what is happening here. Trying to "figure it out", or "follow the money" is a waste of time that will lead us all on a path to ruin. The battle lines have been drawn, and everyone knows it, even if no one wants to say it.
So why haven't heavily armed conservative "everymen" shown up to shut this shit down? It could be for a couple of reasons.
Conservatives, for the most part, do not live in cities. To them this is like watching a five year old trash his own birthday party. They wouldn't go to the city on a normal day, why go now and get hurt or killed? Democrats destroying their own power base isn't worth intervention to them. They likely won't act unless the danger moves closer to them. This actually was proven in a couple of areas when BLM and Antifa bused rioters out to smaller communities and were met with entire towns armed to the teeth.
Maybe it's because no real leader has emerged with the ranks yet. No one is rallying them together to make a show of force.
Maybe they are waiting for a Ft. Sumter moment. On single galvanizing event to wake up the masses.
Maybe they think they have too much to loose. House, kids, nice truck. Its a lot to risk just to put some mentally deranged kids in their place.
Or, maybe they have lost the will to act. We've all heard tough guy talk, "Antifa ever does that shit in my town, they'll regret it!". But have you noticed in recent weeks that goal post has started to move? Last week it was "if they keep going after these historical statues we are gonna loose it." They brought down a Statue of George Washington, spray painted 1619 on it, wrapped his head in the flag, and set it on fire, after they took a piss on it. Conservatives did nothing. Now I hear "if they go after churches people are gonna die". I have doubts.
At some point, libertarians and conservatives are going to forced to do something. Because right now, the left is getting every single thing they are asking for. Everything. They are now openly calling for attacks on churches, and religious works of art, and more than once has it been said that "conservatives need to be rehabilitated". Does that sound like a group of people that can be debated? That can be Reasoned with?
You might think you are not at war with them, but they are at war with you.
Those that didn't attain that level of success became the disenfranchised. Paying off a four year degree on a minimum wage job made them bitter, and maybe it should have. They were told that if they went to college, life would be good for them. It was a lie, they didn't get high paying jobs handed to them after graduating, but they did get convinced that socialism was the way of the future.
Over the last 10 years or so, the technocrats gave them free platforms with which they could connect to each other and organize at blinding speed. Social media was the hottest new drug, highly addictive, and able to monitor your every move, and in some cases, predict your behavior. All that was needed now was a massive, economically crushing disaster to widen the rift between people.
Covid19, to these people, was either a gift from the heavens, or a manufactured disaster. Either way, they took full advantage of it. Social Media began censoring speech in a way not seen before, fear spread instantly across the country. Two week illegal lock-downs lasted two months. People got arrested for working.......working. With no money, no jobs, and very little hope of being able to provide for themselves, desperation began to set in. The economy was wrecked. Our government, as always and without regard to future consequences, felt the need to do "something". Four trillion dollars later, we are now staring down both barrels of a monetary crisis. What little money people have, is now in serious danger of becoming worthless.
Then George Floyd was killed, and the angry mob was unleashed. BLM and their Antifa allies outed themselves as Marxist revolutionaries, began to destroy our historical monuments, burn businesses to the ground, and seize control of a major downtown area in a major US city. Even more crazy than that is that the leadership in this country is doing nothing about. Even the Mayor of Seattle out-right endorsed the takeover. Every reporter on CNN and MSNBC called this one big peaceful protest, even as buildings burnt down behind them.
Ladies and Gentlemen, that's just what happened in the last three months......
They will not stop there. If history has taught us anything, it's that once Marxists are done with Statues, they will start censoring movies, banning books, they will try to make it impossible to practice religion. Which wouldn't be hard, since the Churches in a lot of areas are empty right now, and utterly defenseless.
There is no doubt about what is happening here. Trying to "figure it out", or "follow the money" is a waste of time that will lead us all on a path to ruin. The battle lines have been drawn, and everyone knows it, even if no one wants to say it.
So why haven't heavily armed conservative "everymen" shown up to shut this shit down? It could be for a couple of reasons.
Conservatives, for the most part, do not live in cities. To them this is like watching a five year old trash his own birthday party. They wouldn't go to the city on a normal day, why go now and get hurt or killed? Democrats destroying their own power base isn't worth intervention to them. They likely won't act unless the danger moves closer to them. This actually was proven in a couple of areas when BLM and Antifa bused rioters out to smaller communities and were met with entire towns armed to the teeth.
Maybe it's because no real leader has emerged with the ranks yet. No one is rallying them together to make a show of force.
Maybe they are waiting for a Ft. Sumter moment. On single galvanizing event to wake up the masses.
Maybe they think they have too much to loose. House, kids, nice truck. Its a lot to risk just to put some mentally deranged kids in their place.
Or, maybe they have lost the will to act. We've all heard tough guy talk, "Antifa ever does that shit in my town, they'll regret it!". But have you noticed in recent weeks that goal post has started to move? Last week it was "if they keep going after these historical statues we are gonna loose it." They brought down a Statue of George Washington, spray painted 1619 on it, wrapped his head in the flag, and set it on fire, after they took a piss on it. Conservatives did nothing. Now I hear "if they go after churches people are gonna die". I have doubts.
At some point, libertarians and conservatives are going to forced to do something. Because right now, the left is getting every single thing they are asking for. Everything. They are now openly calling for attacks on churches, and religious works of art, and more than once has it been said that "conservatives need to be rehabilitated". Does that sound like a group of people that can be debated? That can be Reasoned with?
You might think you are not at war with them, but they are at war with you.
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Let's see .15 X 30 trillion=4.5 trillion. Current annual revenue = 3 trillion.
We're gonna be short 1.5 trillion .... on the interest payment alone.
What could possibly go wrong?
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It's not a redefinition. It's the ancient Greek definition used by the most famous philosophers ever. If anyone's redefining it, it's ancaps.
Anarchism as a philosophy was a leftist word long before Rothbard came along. Same with libertarianism. I don't see how using a term coined by a conservative dissident that refers to the systemic failure of government on two different ends of the spectrum is being a useful idiot for the state. I don't think you could cogently explain it either.
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I think we can at the very least all agree, they want a revolution to come. Most agree that it is a Marxist/Communist revolution. People that hate, support, or are indifferent to Trump are all saying this. Even the people destroying statues as we speak are openly saying this. At least we can generally agree on this after the years and years of bitter squabbling over nearly every single topic.
Maybe they are trying to use Trump to bring in this communistic revolution.
Maybe they are trying to defeat Trump in order to bring a communistic revolution.
Maybe none of the above are correct and it's something else. Everyone thinks that with 100% certainty that their version and take on the situation is what is in fact happening. No one honestly knows for sure.
Whatever the case is, revolution appears to be what we are facing now. Until we start seeing some resistance, not from government, but by the people, in militias, as it was defined in the constitution, in the spirit of resistance during the first revolution that preceded the constitution, defending what they believe in, they will continue taking ground like aravoth mentioned. So far it has been entirely unopposed.
One thing that seems pretty apparent is they are trying to demoralize us every step of the way, and sadly many libertarians have fallen to this malaise. This is part of why their advances are remaining unopposed, people are either afraid or have given up hope. They are also using these boards to demoralize you too if you frequent it. You can see the fear in the way they discuss and word things.
Please, reject this, you have to stand up not only for yourself, but for everyone else if there is going to be any kind of future. You have to reclaim your humanity and believe that we are going to be able to stand up to whatever is coming next, including if it takes your life. Like I mentioned in my first post of the thread, failure to do this will result in the permanent loss of whatever potential, freedom, and liberty we currently have and anything down the line in the days ahead. Anyone that says "we are screwed and it's time to start heading for the hills" or anything else along those lines is also demoralizing and not helping you in any way. If you find yourself saying similar things, you are demoralizing yourself and everyone around you. If you can't be strong enough for yourself, then be strong for everyone else.
Ron Paul did not teach us all of the lessons he understood so that just a few years down the line, we could bathe in our own sorrow. He preached hope and optimism every single time he spoke. We should be bathing in hope. And if you never recognized him doing such, then you missed the point. It would be great to hear more of his example demonstrated here, it would make my day. We haven't seen much of that in years.
Maybe they are trying to use Trump to bring in this communistic revolution.
Maybe they are trying to defeat Trump in order to bring a communistic revolution.
Maybe none of the above are correct and it's something else. Everyone thinks that with 100% certainty that their version and take on the situation is what is in fact happening. No one honestly knows for sure.
Whatever the case is, revolution appears to be what we are facing now. Until we start seeing some resistance, not from government, but by the people, in militias, as it was defined in the constitution, in the spirit of resistance during the first revolution that preceded the constitution, defending what they believe in, they will continue taking ground like aravoth mentioned. So far it has been entirely unopposed.
One thing that seems pretty apparent is they are trying to demoralize us every step of the way, and sadly many libertarians have fallen to this malaise. This is part of why their advances are remaining unopposed, people are either afraid or have given up hope. They are also using these boards to demoralize you too if you frequent it. You can see the fear in the way they discuss and word things.
Please, reject this, you have to stand up not only for yourself, but for everyone else if there is going to be any kind of future. You have to reclaim your humanity and believe that we are going to be able to stand up to whatever is coming next, including if it takes your life. Like I mentioned in my first post of the thread, failure to do this will result in the permanent loss of whatever potential, freedom, and liberty we currently have and anything down the line in the days ahead. Anyone that says "we are screwed and it's time to start heading for the hills" or anything else along those lines is also demoralizing and not helping you in any way. If you find yourself saying similar things, you are demoralizing yourself and everyone around you. If you can't be strong enough for yourself, then be strong for everyone else.
Ron Paul did not teach us all of the lessons he understood so that just a few years down the line, we could bathe in our own sorrow. He preached hope and optimism every single time he spoke. We should be bathing in hope. And if you never recognized him doing such, then you missed the point. It would be great to hear more of his example demonstrated here, it would make my day. We haven't seen much of that in years.
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Cuz top donor of MAGA revolution (with motto of "so much winning that you'll get tired of it") is globalist social liberal, many GOPAites had implied 'follow the money' doctrine no longer implies. But I tend to agree with your point, it still applies. Left/right ( though not like the skin pigment based) paradigms do seem bit meaningless now but tend to creep back in discussion arguments as they are deeply entrenched in thinking of many in audience here even if not everyone.
I may have overlooked the follow the money connection to on going BLM/social justice campaigns mostly supported by MAGA White House and Dems, will try to look for it in threads. If you can easily post a link here, would be help also.
That said, comments in that post still apply though even if not the main catalyst behind breathtaking changes taking place near the end of GOP-Adelson funded "Make America Great" Presiedncy.
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For starters, each and every article should be looked at. Government has NO business in healthcare PERIOD:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-Biometric-Screening-Race-For-The-Coronavirus
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...o-Begin-Final-Phase-of-COVID-19-Vaccine-Trial
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ing-Seven-Factories-for-His-Mandatory-Vaccine
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?547196-Deconstructing-Bill-Gates’-Agenda
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...n-The-“National-Covid-19-Testing-Action-Plan”
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That is sort of how it feels.
Well, long distance talent can make Themme accountable if they dare show their faces in public.
Another thing: what we are experiencing seems to me to be a measurement action. Theye want to know just how softened up we really are. Theye concoct this Covid idiocy (though there could be other things behind it), make it verily outrageous and sit back to see what our response will be.
Thus far, I estimate that we have failed miserably, to Theire endless delight and perhaps even mild astonishment at what they have accomplished.
I am wondering if we have entered a new era - that of progressively turning up the heat in large increments and with increasingly outlandish fashion in the attempt to discern not even where the boundary rests, but now whether one even exists. Or are we so degraded, and I submit that most of us are, that there is no abasement to which we can be subjected that would elicit a response even hinting of the least whiff of self-respect.
In other words, we are being anally probed to determine our "condition" and I suspect Theye are walking around with raging boners in anticipation of some coup de grace they perhaps have in mind for us.
And I STILL wonder whether Trump is in on the joke. I just cannot figure him. Four years in, almost, and nobody of real significance has been prosecuted, so at this point I am having some grave doubts. At the very least he could have driven a stake through Hillary's heart, but no. My credulity is now stretched to breaking where those who worship him claim he's working his master plan. It still may be true, but if so then I guess he's just WAY better than am I at this sort of thing. I remain marginally hopeful of being proven the village idiot, the appellation of which I will gladly bear in the event he snares them all and publicly executes the lot of them, Nürnberg-style, icy cold and clinical. No anger. No rage. No hatred. No glee. Just indifference.
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Cannot disagree with this. I'm thinking the Ds want Trump to win so that they can continue to wreck everything to the point that in four more years everyone is so sick of just about everything, they won't vote in a Republican for the next fifty years, giving Themme all the time they need to finish up and call the world Theire's.
Yeah, Theye are FAR too wily and pragmatic to subscribe to that brand of weak-tea mentality.
Obama was the convenient useful black idiot, whose utility to drive a vast chunk of Americans further into imbecility was measured and deemed right at the time. Given how well the play succeeded, I'd say they were on the money. Americans are pretty well ruined in what looks to be close to sufficient measure such that Theye will soon be able to do as they please, regardless of how many guns we may have.
Not sure it would be easy, but doable perhaps to a thin margin. OTOH... who can say for certain?
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All the while, "good" Americans stand idly by, mouths agape in horror and disgust at what they're witnessing, expecting someone else to do what they say needs doing.
Until we decide we're not going quietly into that good night and that we are the solution to the trouble, the trudge to oblivion will continue.
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There really shouldn't be any confusion as to what is happening right now. The left is trying to get rid of trump so they can start implementing the socialist communist wet dream. They have allied with BLM because they know the Democrats cease to exist without the black vote and they made a deal with them for more black privilege. They unleashed Soros Antifa into the mix to start the fires burning...lol. It's all just to undermine Trump. They want him out and they want to make a statement to the right. It's not going to happen this cycle though. trump is right on this. the silent majority will win again. The republican supporters have had about enough. They are disgusted and pissed off now. I think the statues are what really did it. I see it on FB, twitter and other places. Everyone knows It's mostly in Democrat cities that the police are being ordered to stand back. They are also the only ones who are continuing the rona lock downs. The conservative supporters (Trump supporters) are beginning to strike back. They aren't letting the liberal apologists push them around with their white guilt and calling them all racist anymore. I have seen theis change take place over the last couple of weeks. They organized a rally to take back CHOP on July 4th....lol....it has a pretty good following right now and growing stronger every day. Now the mayor says she is going to end it...lol....we will see. if not, there's gonna be a fight on the 4th. This coming election will be very interesting. Will many of those Democrat mayors and Governors be replaced. I think so. Just look at Seattle and CHAZ, CHOP or whatever they call themselves now...lol....The Mayor and her summer of love didn't work out very well. I see the comments on twitter from the actual residents of seattle....they aren't very happy with her at all. New Yorkers are pissed!!! The only thing that will give the Democrats any kind of a chance will be the mail in ballots. They have already started with the mass fraud that is going to take place. I will say without a doubt that this will turn out to be the most corrupted election that has ever taken place in this country. Would be great to see Obama and Biden indicted just before the election. It is a real possibility. That will in flame the left. I see all of this as a coup right now.
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Now, see, everyone? This is why Trump was shoved down our throats in 2016 with that 24/7 barrage of publicity on a thousand channels. Republicans actually think they aren't implementing their communist wet dream. The nation is shut down, universal basic income is a reality, small businesses are failing wholesale, big businesses are getting freshly printed money by the truckload, church services are illegal, mandatory vaccines are coming, one way signs are installed in every grocery store aisle, you can tell the law abiding because they wear masks, cops are about to go full federal, and California cops are flying helicopters to the middle of nowhere to arrest campers for not "social distancing" (one of many oxymorons everyone is repeating with a straight face). And Republicans think the communist wet dream is not already 75% implemented, because fuck God, in Trump they Trust.
I know all you Republicans think I'm terribly rude to carry on this way. But you're quickly running out of time to wake up and smell the coffee. Denial is a luxury you can no longer afford. The deed will be done before the election.
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