What Will Tom And Lew Say About The Debate?

[Sola_Fide]

Any predictions?

I say they won't even mention Rand's name in their discussion.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

IDK, but it will be far more interesting and thoughtful than the actual debate.

 

[libertyplz]

I think Tom will be somewhere between neutral and positive towards Rand and Lew will probably continue to shit on Rand as he usually does. Either way, I enjoy listening and hearing their take

 

[TheNewYorker]

Doesn't matter, Tom and Lew are irrelevant. Nobody listens to them, save maybe a fringe population of 0.0001%

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

You really care about what they think don't you?

 

[PaleoPaul]

No one cares what a Neo-Confederate and some old man say about Rand.

 

[staerker]

More intellectual dishonesty.

 

[Corto_Maltese]

I hope Tom gives Rand some credit. I love his show and his engagement. Loved to listed to him guest host the Peter Schiff show back in the day. Im suprised at the hate Tom gets here. I hope its only cause of his problems with some of Rands positions and the people around him.

 

[specsaregood]

I hope Tom gives Rand some credit. I love his show and his engagement. Loved to listed to him guest host the Peter Schiff show back in the day. Im suprised at the hate Tom gets here. I hope its only cause of his problems with some of Rands positions and the people around him.

It is because both Tom and Lew want Randal to fail at trying to reduce the size and scope of government. Most of us here, don't.

 

[dannno]

I hope Tom gives Rand some credit. I love his show and his engagement. Loved to listed to him guest host the Peter Schiff show back in the day. Im suprised at the hate Tom gets here. I hope its only cause of his problems with some of Rands positions and the people around him.

Stefan Molyneux has been doing the same thing on his show, his co-host Mike is constantly pleasuring himself over Donald Trump, meanwhile a lot of their talking points are things that Rand actually says and believes.

I'm not quite sure what it is - I mean, I really like all three of them but all of these guys are kinda attention whores to some extent.. but specs may have a point too - they seem to all want the system to crash in the hands of true statists rather than having a libertarian at the reigns when it happens, so it can't be blamed on us.

 

[specsaregood]

but specs may have a point too - they seem to all want the system to crash in the hands of true statists rather than having a libertarian at the reigns when it happens, so it can't be blamed on us.

No, its because the whole idea of a small government actually working disproves their whole ideology. if randal is successful, they cant say "toldja so"

 

[PaleoPaul]

It is because both Tom and Lew want Randal to fail at trying to reduce the size and scope of government. Most of us here, don't.

Exactly. If Rand is at least 20% successful in his mission, Tom and Lew are out of a job.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

No, its because the whole idea of a small government actually working disproves their whole ideology. if randal is successful, they cant say "toldja so"

Not really. CONstitutional Minarchists' definition of "working" gov'ment is still restrictive of liberty-not to mention involuntary and irrational.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Exactly. If Rand is at least 20% successful in his mission, Tom and Lew are out of a job.

LOL Wishful thinking is wishful.

 

[fcreature]

Doesn't matter, Tom and Lew are irrelevant. Nobody listens to them, save maybe a fringe population of 0.0001%

Fringe element... you mean heavenlyboy, right?

 

[dannno]

Not really. Minarchists' definition of "working" gov'ment is still restrictive of liberty-not to mention involuntary and irrational.

Ya but it's 98%+ less restrictive of liberty than what we have and would increase prosperity immensely. I think most philosophical anarchists would be pretty happy living in a minarchist society that tended to be very libertarian in nature, it would then become a waste of time to sit around and complain and philosophize about making low margin gains in a largely free society that isn't heading toward tyranny.

Now, if the minarchist society started going in the direction of more statism, which is what most anarchists believe is the ultimate outcome - then that would be a good opportunity to make those arguments and move toward an even more voluntary society.

 

[S.Shorland]

They said Rand (and Cruz) wants to introduce a VAT tax,which I didn't know.Once in place,the rate can be raised easily.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Ya but it's 98%+ less restrictive of liberty than what we have and would increase prosperity immensely. I think most philosophical anarchists would be pretty happy living in a minarchist society that tended to be very libertarian in nature, it would then become a waste of time to sit around and complain and philosophize about making low margin gains in a largely free society that isn't heading toward tyranny. Now, if the minarchist society started going in the direction of more statism, which is what most anarchists believe is the ultimate outcome - then that would be a good opportunity to make those arguments and move toward an even more voluntary society.

"less bad" isn't the same as "good". If minarchism could be shown to be a good "stepping stone" to actual liberty, I wouldn't mind it so much. But the proof isn't there.

 

[dannno]

"less bad" isn't the same as "good". If minarchism could be shown to be a good "stepping stone" to actual liberty, I wouldn't mind it so much. But the proof isn't there.

98% less bad is very good, relatively.

If you had to give up 2% of your income to pay for national defense and could go live in a voluntarist community that had everything else privatized, that would be VERY GOOD compared to having half your income taken and not being allowed to create voluntarist communities which is what we have today.

I mean, fuck man, pretend you were living in a libertarian minarchist society where you actually had a LOT more freedom and prosperity, are you really going to be the little kid crying on the pony ride??

 

[euphemia]

The point of this debate was to focus on the candidates, not the media. I don't give a donkey's hind leg what anyone says. I only care about what I heard and how it affects my choice next year.