What we need to is to RETIRE the money bomb..

[TomtheTinker]

nov 5. and dec 1

you do realize it is July correct?

 

[speciallyblend]

after Ron Paul is elected president, Deal!!!!!

 

[tremendoustie]

I think the "us against the man" theme is key to a successful moneybomb. How about one targeted at particular anti-liberty individuals or groups - for example, mr. bernanke or paulson?

Or, for example how about a moneybomb where we try to raise the amount of money the TSA spends in a single hour (roughly 800K?). Any media reports about the moneybomb would also drive home a powerful message, pointing out the wastefulness of the TSA, and turning more fiscal conservatives against it.

 

[Indiana4Paul]

Any other candidate would be ecstatic to have consistent money bombs held by grassroots.

This is spot on, on the other hand Dr. Paul isn't any other candidate and this is not any other political movement.

I'm reminded of a once great philosopher:

Bluto's right. Psychotic... but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons, but that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part!

There are about 11k hours between now and the Polls opening on Election Day, 2012. What if we filibustered all 11,000 hours using justin.tv, ustream or another of the live streaming services?

 

[reduen]

This is spot on, on the other hand Dr. Paul isn't any other candidate and this is not any other political movement.

I'm reminded of a once great philosopher:


There are about 11k hours between now and the Polls opening on Election Day, 2012. What if we filibustered all 11,000 hours using justin.tv, ustream or another of the live streaming services?

Cool idea....

 

[Raw Liver]

PaulStock.

3 Days of sex, drugs, rock and roll, and Ron Paul.

 

[sailingaway]

We can make it another 'push' at the end of the quarter, and I like starting it on Constitution day, although that is a lengthy period. But we need to get money to him before the quarter end because results are announced, anyway, so people could just save up for that. people have their minds made up before the next announcement of funding periods.

 

[sailingaway]

PaulStock.

3 Days of sex, drugs, rock and roll, and Ron Paul.

We have had Ronstock, and except for the sex and drugs, that was pretty much how it went....

LOL! this has nothing to do with Ronstock, but look at what I found when I was looking for images of it?

 

[reduen]

I think the "us against the man" theme is key to a successful moneybomb. How about one targeted at particular anti-liberty individuals or groups - for example, mr. bernanke or paulson?

Or, for example how about a moneybomb where we try to raise the amount of money the TSA spends in a single hour (roughly 800K?). Any media reports about the moneybomb would also drive home a powerful message, pointing out the wastefulness of the TSA, and turning more fiscal conservatives against it.

Nice...

Also, when running an organization one thing that we do to make a project more successful is to give as many people “ownership” of the project as possible. (Instead of just asking one or two people to take something on..) This concept works every time when applied properly.

 

[Rocket80]

I think the money bombs are still an effective way to raise more money and do it in a fun way - just as long as we keep our expectations realistic and realize we aren't going to get the $4mil or $6mil day again. Everything is relative - last election was huge in terms of importance, media coverage, passion, so it was more difficult to be relevent and compete with $$

I mean, RP is 2nd in fundraising behind the super millionaire. I think that's some pretty effective fundraising given the circumstances.

 

[Uriah]

Yes yes yes. The campaign should move on this idea and spread it far and wide.

I completely agree. We need new tools to continue to grow this movement.

I personally thought the Obama campaign's 'lottery' was a great idea. They sold $5 tickets for a chance to have dinner with Obama. It raised some money but it also expanded the size of his Campaign lists to help spread the message.

One thing the campaign might consider is to expand on this idea and tie them to Iowa and NH. I think Dr. Paul's intellectual approach to politics would lend itself well to this type of campaign.

 

[KramerDSP]

I think there are only two money bomb themes that would satisfy the emotional investment aspect. One being "Bring The Troops Home!" and the other being "Abolish the TSA/IRS (one of those two). Just a thought.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

People are irrationally obsessed with these money bombs because the first 2 were a real major success but they forget to ask why that happened and so they falsely, clearly, still have hope for a repeat.

There are a bunch of small reasons why that is but here are what I think were the 4 most important ones:
First and foremost back in 2007 it was something completely new, something no one else ever did so people had an immediate feel good factor about being part of something special giving them a lot of motivation to participate.
Second both the nov 5. and dec 16. had an emotionally strong underlying story of Guy Fawkes day and the Boston tea party which again a lot of the people identified with and were really strongly motivated to participate.
Third we had some awesome emotionally powerful promotional videos spread wide and far with hundred of thousands of views on youtube that spread the awareness.
And fourth there was this huge desire by the grassroots facing all the smearing and marginalizing and ignoring by the media to be heard and everyone felt like raising big money would be something they couldn't ignore anymore.

So when you objectively look at those reasons and you compare them to today, you can quickly discover that we will probably never repeat the same success we had with those first major two..

What about now?

IMO the money bombs are held way too often, the themes aren't inspiring enough, there are no excellent promotional videos on youtube viewed my hundred of thousands, and the grassroots still very much remembers the pain of the defeat in 08 and to top it off the media doesn't ignore us anymore.


Obviously anyone with some sense of rationality can deduce that the recipe for a majorly successful money bomb is clearly laking it's key components and we should either work on acquiring these components or if that isn't possible we should abandon the concept for a better and more successful one.

I'm personally of the opinion it's impossible to have all the needed ingredients ever again so I suggest we come up with a new scheme to replace the "money bomb", find a very emotionally inspiring reason to hold the fundraising event and have all the promotional aspects figured out.

I seriously hope that we the grassroots have enough rational people that can clearly see the evidence that the last few money bombs have shown us and we're capable of taking this evidence and doing the right thing. Otherwise we are no better than anyone else with an obsession and we will certainly fail in our endeavor.

You're right. We should just give up and let the campaign go broke.

 

[asurfaholic]

PaulStock.

3 Days of sex, drugs, rock and roll, and Ron Paul.

Now we are talking

 

[RonPaul101.com]

I don't think they were a failure in a vacuum, certainly not when compared to the rest of the field.

But I do think there is a huge potential out there to raise a whole lot more and I feel like the money bombs are holding us back and in that sense they are a failure.

I agree with a lot of what you've written, but I think the focus needs to be on a better replacement and not on a need to discontinue the money bombs. I would hope, early on, both money bombs and whatever ends up being the next great fundraising idea run coincident with each other.

The difficulty is the money bomb concept is so impactful, immediate, measureable, and uniting. It will be tough to find another fundraising idea that is half as good. The lottery idea luncheon is good, and should be explored, but IMO we need another one of "our own" ideas.

 

[libertybrewcity]

Ron Paul has said he has never had to make a fundraising phone call. I think the moneybombs are great and should continue each month, but the campaign should find alternative sources. I'm sure there are groups of large donors that would hold fundraisers. I remember Peter Schiff was saying he had people calling him asking if he wanted fundraisers held for him.

 

[johndeal]

Here are two potential ideas.

1) Money bomb at home. Everybody invites their friends (including those who are not RP supporters) to their home on a certain day to solicit money and volunteers.

2) Call your friends money bomb. Sort of like Mitt's LV callathon deal but grassroots style.

Either could flame, but they would serve the dual purpose of raising money and getting people to talk about RP to their friends.

 

[tekkierich]

For example just on facebook there are over 400k likes on Ron's page, just $10 from each is 4mil, yet we can barely raise 1? There has to be way to realize this potential and all I'm saying is that we stop and try and figure out how, instead of clinging on to something that doesn't appear to get the job done anymore.

I agree. I for one have thought that reoccurring monthly donations would be a wonderful concept to push. First, I imagine the campaign accountants would love it, because they would have a VERY good idea of how much money is coming in over the next several months, and could plan accordingly.
I really think if they minded and pushed their contributor data base correctly they could get 10 - 20k people averaging $50 - $100 a month to the campaign.
This is used all the time by marketers.... It is easier to sell something for 6 easy payments of $50 than a one time shot of $300.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

For those of you advocating stopping the moneybomb, don't you realize nobody is offering any good alternatives? It has to be something simple that people can get behind. Until you can find something better, stop calling for the end of the moneybomb.

Secondly, it's only July. Calling the early moneybombs failures because they don't match the excitement of the end of the campaign cycle in 2007 is ludicrous. There is no reason to believe there's not a bunch of money still left out there with all the support Dr. Paul has. That said, I think we need to wait a little while until the next one. The reason the early ones have been so small is that people got caught up in a frenzy and felt the need to have one every couple of weeks. That just won't do because it doesn't allow promotion for the next one and depletes people's ability to do donate for each one.

By all means, find something new and try to apply it, but if it is truly better, it will rise right ot the top. Until then, the moneybombs are our main source of income and to suggest they are a failure simply because of the difference between the ways they were handled in 2007 and now is simply not true. Look at the factors that made the moneybombs bring in less money and fix them. Don't just abandon the idea without suggesting something better. So far, I don't see anything so far that could plausibly outdo the moneybomb in fundraising ability. Some good ideas, but nothing to replace the moneybomb.

 

[trey4sports]

until something else emerges we should stick with the moneybomb. Even though we haven't raised as much as we'd like its still been pretty strong and i'm NOT going to try to fix what's already working.