What was the alternative to what the police did in Boston?

[Brett85]

How long would it have taken for the police to get a warrant in the homes where the owner refused the search?

 

[Brett85]

Erm, the same thing they always try to do?

Do you view this as being the same as any ordinary crime?

 

[JK/SEA]

They were summarily executed after being set up.

the question was on alternatives. Yes, they were set-up, but they could have just as easily got them alive. Bottomline, they found them without using thousands of para-miltary bullshit cops.

 

[MelissaWV]

Do you view this as being the same as any ordinary crime?

Not really, which is why there are jurisdictional concerns. I wouldn't want just the local police department on this. They would lack the forensics labs, for instance, to process all of the evidence generated by the bombings.

I do view the process of capturing him to be the same. Shutting everything down and establishing a perimeter was a stupid idea, as evidenced by the fact that they either went to this guy's house and totally missed the boat, or they didn't go "door to door" there, even though it was near where the previous night's firefight had been.

 

[Brett85]

Not really, which is why there are jurisdictional concerns. I wouldn't want just the local police department on this. They would lack the forensics labs, for instance, to process all of the evidence generated by the bombings.

I do view the process of capturing him to be the same. Shutting everything down and establishing a perimeter was a stupid idea, as evidenced by the fact that they either went to this guy's house and totally missed the boat, or they didn't go "door to door" there, even though it was near where the previous night's firefight had been.

As I said, I don't necessarily think the lockdown was a good idea in light of the fact that the suspect was actually found and arrested after they lifted the lockdown. But, some here seem to be suggesting that the police shouldn't have pursued and looked for this guy at all, which I just don't agree with.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

the question was on alternatives. Yes, they were set-up, but they could have just as easily got them alive. Bottomline, they found them without using thousands of para-miltary bullshit cops.

Yeah I got what you trying to say and agree. Bonnie and Clyde should have had their day in court. Cops were upset that one of their own was gunned down and took 'justice' into their own hands. That was why I said it was a bad example.

As to the OP there's no way in hell I accept the premise that you need however many thousands of cops to catch someone. I don't care what they did.

Pablo Escobar's manhunt was smaller.

 

[tod evans]

Well I personally have problems with government employees dressed in body armor and carrying full auto weapons going door to door for any reason.

I have a problem with government employees setting foot on my dirt at all.

I don't view anybody employed in that capacity as a peacekeeper and I certainly don't view them as as good people.

I've discussed the the happenings in Boston with my neighbors and we are in agreement that should anything similar happen out here in the sticks we will stand together and refuse access to our property until the local sheriff delivers a signed warrant himself.

 

[Origanalist]

As I said, I don't necessarily think the lockdown was a good idea in light of the fact that the suspect was actually found and arrested after they lifted the lockdown. But, some here seem to be suggesting that the police shouldn't have pursued and looked for this guy at all, which I just don't agree with.

Eh?

 

[fisharmor]

How long would it have taken for the police to get a warrant in the homes where the owner refused the search?

Did you get hit on the head or something?

Do you remember Lee Boyd Malvo and John Allen Muhammed? There's your case study right there.

When crazy dipshits are running around randomly killing people, ordinary citizens tend not to like it very well.
You can either treat citizens like little more than complicating factors in your lockdown, or you can treat them like the reason you're trying to catch the bad guy in the first place.

 

[Origanalist]

Do you have any evidence that they went into people's homes without their permission?

No. I read no reports of forced entry either.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Yeah. The lockdown was the only thing they did that probably wasn't necessary, in my opinion. But, I think that closing down the Airport, public transportation, and going door to door to look for the suspect was necessary.

The airport wasn't "locked down", it was, in fact, as busy as ever.

I know, I flew out of Logan on Friday.

That is one of the narratives of this whole cluster fuck I find disturbing.

Even in this day and age, the forces of tyranny can't "lock down" a whole US city.

The media organs will have you believe that they can, but they cannot, yet.

 

[MelissaWV]

Did you get hit on the head or something?

Do you remember Lee Boyd Malvo and John Allen Muhammed? There's your case study right there.

When crazy dipshits are running around randomly killing people, ordinary citizens tend not to like it very well.
You can either treat citizens like little more than complicating factors in your lockdown, or you can treat them like the reason you're trying to catch the bad guy in the first place.

That is actually a GREAT example!

They "locked down" the Beltway several times during the Sniper incidents. Of course, they stopped all kinds of vehicles looking for a white van, since one had been seen leaving the scene of a couple of the shootings. It was a huge mess. Everyone was looking for that white van.

... they ended up being caught, asleep, in a definitely-not-a-white-van.

The roadblocks and such were totally pointless, were likely not going to catch killers who were so sneaky and determined that no one had any idea what they looked like, and mostly served to make people frustrated and nervous.

 

[Brett85]

Eh?

Hindsight is always 20-20, but the way I view it is that the police were right to go after this suspect, but they should've allowed private citizens to help as well. There shouldn't have been a lockdown in retrospect, but like I said, hindsight is always 20-20.

 

[jmdrake]

It was an extraoridinary situation because it was only the 2nd terrorist attack on our soil in our country's history. It's not something that happens every day.

And that's relevant because.....? So if Adam Lanza had gotten away after killing doesn't this kind of action wouldn't have been justified because it was an "ordinary mass shooting?" Really, the idea of treating a multiple murder "different" because the perps may have had foreign terror connections is asinine.

 

[Brett85]

The airport wasn't "locked down", it was, in fact, as busy as ever.

I know, I flew out of Logan on Friday.

That is one of the narratives of this whole cluster fuck I find disturbing.

Then that was just more false reporting by the media.

 

[Anti Federalist]

As I said, I don't necessarily think the lockdown was a good idea in light of the fact that the suspect was actually found and arrested after they lifted the lockdown. But, some here seem to be suggesting that the police shouldn't have pursued and looked for this guy at all, which I just don't agree with.

This is the "high speed chase" argument.

The option should always be on the table, to let a "bad guy" walk, and quietly and harmlessy arrest him when you have the drop on him.

 

[Brett85]

And that's relevant because.....? So if Adam Lanza had gotten away after killing doesn't this kind of action wouldn't have been justified because it was an "ordinary mass shooting?" Really, the idea of treating a multiple murder "different" because the perps may have had foreign terror connections is asinine.

There wasn't any possibility that there was a larger plot beyond what Adam Lanza did. With terrorism, there's always the chance that there's a larger plot beyond just the initial attack, which made this case different.

 

[MelissaWV]

The airport wasn't "locked down", it was, in fact, as busy as ever.

I know, I flew out of Logan on Friday.

That is one of the narratives of this whole cluster fuck I find disturbing.

Even in this day and age, the forces of tyranny can't "lock down" a whole US city.

The media organs will have you believe that they can, but they cannot, yet.

It's a case of needing a translator, unfortunately.

They had the people in a certain area "sheltering in place." This, of course, began as a request and evolved into a demand backed with force... all within the scope of the same press conference.

The mass transit was shut down.

The airports were still going (which makes the other things moot) but since everyone has to go through "security" anyhow, they theoretically would have caught his image at least, if not the actual suspect. They could have interviewed the TSA as to whether the seams in his slacks were straight.

Oh and of course the media were everywhere.

 

[RickyJ]

Offer proof that they really did the bombings then everyone would be looking for them and there would be no need to have the police lock anything down or even be too concerned about looking for them. They claimed they had proof they placed the bombs on video, they never offered such proof to the public.

 

[Brett85]

The option should always be on the table, to let a "bad guy" walk, and quietly and harmlessy arrest him when you have the drop on him.

Do you think the American people would've gone along with the police just stopping the search and saying that we'll try to find him another day?