What religion are you?

[Carlybee]

And apologies...just realized this was in the religion forum. :o

 

[kathy88]

Recovering Roman Catholic

 

[Debbie Downer]

The church didnt compile or create the canon. That is the atheistic view of the canon. The church discovered the canon, it didnt create it. This is a fundamental error.

I didn't say create, I said compiled.

 

[Debbie Downer]

The real presence of the Eucharist is not Biblical

So you're calling Christ a liar?

Jesus is very clear. He did not say it as part of a parable. He says "this IS my BODY". The sacrifice of his body at the last supper appears almost identical in the three gospels.

And whilst they were at supper, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke: and gave to his disciples, and said: Take ye, and eat. This is my body. And taking the chalice, he gave thanks, and gave to them, saying: Drink ye all of this. For this is my blood of the new testament, which shall be shed for many unto remission of sins.

And whilst they were eating, Jesus took bread; and blessing, broke, and gave to them, and said: Take ye. This is my body. And having taken the chalice, giving thanks, he gave it to them. And they all drank of it. And he said to them: This is my blood of the new testament, which shall be shed for many.

And taking bread, he gave thanks, and brake; and gave to them, saying: This is my body, which is given for you. Do this for a commemoration of me. In like manner the chalice also, after he had supped, saying: This is the chalice, the new testament in my blood, which shall be shed for you.

Jesus told the Jews in the Synagogoue multiple times, and the fact that his disciples were in such disbelief and disgust when he claimed to be the bread, that they left him. When the Jews wondered is Jesus was being literal, he repeated his words:

51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven.
52 If any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever; and the bread that I will give, is my flesh, for the life of the world.
53 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying: How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
54 Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.
55 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day.
56 For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed.
57 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him.
58 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father; so he that eateth me, the same also shall live by me.
59 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead. He that eateth this bread, shall live for ever.
60 These things he said, teaching in the synagogue, in Capharnaum.
61 Many therefore of his disciples, hearing it, said: This saying is hard, and who can hear it?
62 But Jesus, knowing in himself, that his disciples murmured at this, said to them: Doth this scandalize you?
63 If then you shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
64 It is the spirit that quickeneth: the flesh profiteth nothing. The words that I have spoken to you, are spirit and life.
65 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning, who they were that did not believe, and who he was, that would betray him.
66 And he said: Therefore did I say to you, that no man can come to me, unless it be given him by my Father.
67 After this many of his disciples went back; and walked no more with him.

This is further supporters in 1 Corinthians 10: 14-22 and 1 Corinthians 11: 17-34.

its idolatry since it sacrifices again the Risen Savior,

Christ died once for all sins. The Eucharistic celebration is the same sacrifice Christ offered on the cross made present. It is not repeating or re-sacrificing of Christ – His sacrifice on the cross is once for all (Hebrews 9:12, 26).

and it is also cannibalism.

The early Christians were certainly accused of that. Many of Jesus' followers left him because of that. I guess you're one of them as well...

Weren't you all supposed to support Santorum?

No, it was your beloved 'Evangelical' Protestants who came out in droves and voted for him.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

My 'religion' is most related to Christianity. But there are things I disagree with and other theories that I base off of world experiences.

I am a spiritual man, in a sense. I do not go to church or anything related. I govern myself in that I try to be moral and righteous. I've noticed some fallacies in the Word and generally disregard it.

Hard to pinpoint what religion I am. I theorize and often times think deeply on the subject of how we got here and why we would be here. The idea of hell does not keep me up at night. For all anyone knows, this could be hell. Enough similarities when looking at the wickedry we create. The greed and hate we have for our fellow man. For all I know this is the test to see who is truly moral. Perhaps reincarnation until you reach that epiphany? One of my theories.

I do know that there will be an apocalypse. Prophecy in that sense will be fulfilled. Whether or not we are saved from it I do not know. And as I've mentioned it doesn't particularly keep me up at night.

It is interesting how incredibly vast the universe is. We are nothing but a spec of sand in a desert. That's what is so fascinating about it all... to consider something of extreme intelligence has and is visiting us. Perhaps we are the experiment. (what is visiting us is "God")

No one knows.

A part of me wishes there is a hell. So those 'holier than thou's' can dwell with the other wicked men of our planet. Lord knows many deserve nothing less than eternally agony.

 

[Christian Liberty]

So you're calling Christ a liar?

Jesus is very clear. He did not say it as part of a parable. He says "this IS my BODY". The sacrifice of his body at the last supper appears almost identical in the three gospels.







Jesus told the Jews in the Synagogoue multiple times, and the fact that his disciples were in such disbelief and disgust when he claimed to be the bread, that they left him. When the Jews wondered is Jesus was being literal, he repeated his words:



This is further supporters in 1 Corinthians 10: 14-22 and 1 Corinthians 11: 17-34.

Wait, so Jesus ate himself? That's even more bizarre and interpretation. Its a metaphor and a symbol, not a literal statement.

No, it was your beloved 'Evangelical' Protestants who came out in droves and voted for him.

I guess I have to give you that. Although Lew Rockwell was correct when he called them "Warvangelicals." Ron Paul is a Baptist and he certainly didn't vote for Santorum

To my understanding though, most Catholics aren't exactly orthodox in their theology. To my understanding, according to technical Catholic theology I am almost certainly damned, but I've never met a Catholic in real life who actually believed that. And to my understanding, most orthodox Catholics did support Santorum.

 

[Christian Liberty]

My 'religion' is most related to Christianity. But there are things I disagree with and other theories that I base off of world experiences.

I am a spiritual man, in a sense. I do not go to church or anything related. I govern myself in that I try to be moral and righteous. I've noticed some fallacies in the Word and generally disregard it.

Hard to pinpoint what religion I am. I theorize and often times think deeply on the subject of how we got here and why we would be here. The idea of hell does not keep me up at night. For all anyone knows, this could be hell. Enough similarities when looking at the wickedry we create. The greed and hate we have for our fellow man. For all I know this is the test to see who is truly moral. Perhaps reincarnation until you reach that epiphany? One of my theories.

I do know that there will be an apocalypse. Prophecy in that sense will be fulfilled. Whether or not we are saved from it I do not know. And as I've mentioned it doesn't particularly keep me up at night.

It is interesting how incredibly vast the universe is. We are nothing but a spec of sand in a desert. That's what is so fascinating about it all... to consider something of extreme intelligence has and is visiting us. Perhaps we are the experiment. (what is visiting us is "God")

No one knows.

A part of me wishes there is a hell. So those 'holier than thou's' can dwell with the other wicked men of our planet. Lord knows many deserve nothing less than eternally agony.

Who do you define as holier than thou? Does one get a pass for being a fundamentalist Christian if he is also a Ron Paul supporter? (Or just being Ron Paul himself)

Even as a Christian who believes there is such a thing as eternal torment, I could never wish that on anyone. I could wish death on a lot of people in congress, I could wish hundreds of years of torment on someone like Obama or even millions for someone like Hitler, but ETERNAL torment? I shudder at the thought, even though I know that such a thing does in fact exist.

 

[pcosmar]

but ETERNAL torment? I shudder at the thought, even though I know that such a thing does in fact exist.

I think religion does more harm to the truth than good.

I tend to be a bit irreligious,, though I am a believer in Christ.

Spiritual principles are universal, Whether you believe or not and regardless of which religion you follow.

I am sure there are Christians in all the denominations,, just as I am sure there is error in doctrine in all of them.

We should not fight each other, but spread the simple message of Gods Love and the offer of Salvation.

The only ones who will be damned are those that reject God.. and that is by their own choice.

 

[Nirvikalpa]

Christian with many pagan, buddhist, hindu and taoist influences. Specifically those about nature.

 

[TaftFan]

Christian with many pagan, buddhist, hindu and taoist influences. Specifically those about nature.

Influences on what? Spirituality?

 

[bunklocoempire]

Uppity Lutheran. (W.E.L.S.)

Me and the Lord, we have an understanding. <-- FAITH -not to be confused with religion.

If (when) W.E.L.S. goes soft/wrong I'll bail. So far so good synod wise but with the constant fear and crap that the state/world pushes it's a battle that will always rage -and no synod is ever safe. The responsibility to stay true to Christ always lies with individual members and their individual relationship with God.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Who do you define as holier than thou? Does one get a pass for being a fundamentalist Christian if he is also a Ron Paul supporter? (Or just being Ron Paul himself)

Even as a Christian who believes there is such a thing as eternal torment, I could never wish that on anyone. I could wish death on a lot of people in congress, I could wish hundreds of years of torment on someone like Obama or even millions for someone like Hitler, but ETERNAL torment? I shudder at the thought, even though I know that such a thing does in fact exist.

It's just a mindset some religious fanatics have. That because they have read the Bible and can quote scripture without thinking that they are somehow guaranteed a throne in heaven. When I say holier than thou I am not referring to the petty (in my eyes anyways) disputes different Christian sects have with each other. (whether Protestant or Catholic is the true Word, for example) To me that discussion is irrelevant. What I'm referring to is the type of person who has no love for their neighbor, is generally wicked throughout the week, yet show up every Sunday for the soul reason (imo) to tell themselves that they are righteous and godly. I've met quite a few of those types.. the type who have no issue with promoting war or the like. Who 'condemn' men for petty reasons such as they drink or smoke marijuana or what have you. People who rub their knowledge of the Bible in your face as if they are somehow holier because their fear of the afterlife keeps them relatively moral.

The blessed in my eyes are the ones who are truly saved. The one who gives to their neighbors not to show off their sense of compassion or to do their good deed for the week but because they know how hard life can be and can relate. Many Christians are very good, honest, people. I have no problem with that. Some people go to church to try and buy their way to heaven, it is sad to me. And then there are some who use the Word to gain control over people, manipulate them, and enrich themselves. Those people ought be hell bound quicker than anyone.

I am a religious man but do not have a religion. Morality is what I try to adhere to. I've come to terms with my past sins and only wish to better myself as a man. If there is a God, he will understand my actions. Now and previous ones.

 

[robert68]

... but ETERNAL torment? I shudder at the thought, even though I know that such a thing does in fact exist.

Have you been to the "eternal" future and seen that?

 

[Alex Libman]

I am a "Rationalist" and a "Mature Atheist".

Most people who call themselves atheists are far from rational - they simply replace God with Gov.

And maturity comes from emotional detachment and keeping things in perspective. It is highly irrational to expect human beings to be rational about everything, subjective cultural traditions in particular. Debating religion isn't a priority for me - as long as we agree on rational politics (i.e. the Non-Aggression Principle) then we can get along, no matter how irrational your personal beliefs may be.

It should also be noted that there are different conceptions of "God" - some I'm agnostic about, but I utterly reject most traditional religions as self-contradicting utter-impossibilities that most clearly are a result of the (self)deceiving mind of man.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Have you been to the "eternal" future and seen that?

Nope, I just trust God when he says such a place does exist. I say that God says that because of the Bible.

@kcchiefs6465- Yeah, I've got you. Neo-conservatives are ridiculous. I can't judge the salvation of anyone in particular but I do think those people are completely ignoring Matthew 5:9 and 1 Corinthians 5:11-12 when they do things like you describe.

 

[pcosmar]

Influences on what? Spirituality?

There is spirituality beyond Christian churches.. In fact some christian churches are devoid of it.

Remember the Three Wise Men that visited the child Jesus.?
They were astrologers from the East,, yet they saw in the stars the birth of the King.

 

[TaftFan]

There is spirituality beyond Christian churches.. In fact some christian churches are devoid of it.

Remember the Three Wise Men that visited the child Jesus.?
They were astrologers from the East,, yet they saw in the stars the birth of the King.

I agree spirituality is devoid in many Christian churches.
I also believe though, spirituality whether comes from God or Satan. Good or evil.

I don't see the Three Wise Men as pagans. They were following the star placed by God. I understand they are referred to as astrologers/astronomers, but that probably was referring to that instance in which they followed the star. Or it is possible they were astrologers, but converted upon seeing the message of the star.

What I'm trying to say is, I don't think spirituality can transcend between Christianity and other belief systems.

 

[July]

Other, none.. I've studied Buddhism probably the most so far, also Lao Tzu and Confucius. Recently I am starting to study Christianity, though I have no background in it at all and only know very little...if anyone has any good books to recommend, or wants to share which version of the bible they prefer, that'd be cool.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Other, none.. I've studied Buddhism probably the most so far, also Lao Tzu and Confucius. Recently I am starting to study Christianity, though I have no background in it at all and only know very little...if anyone has any good books to recommend, or wants to share which version of the bible they prefer, that'd be cool.

I would recommend starting with the "virgin" birth "prophesy", and really reading what Isaiah said and how it was supposedly fulfilled right there in Isaiah. Usually, people don't read past the first part, and don't see that when Isaiah went into the prophetess...

 

[pcosmar]

What I'm trying to say is, I don't think spirituality can transcend between Christianity and other belief systems.

Spirituality is outside of the temporal. Anyone who seeks the truth, regardless of starting point will find God.

The LORD looks down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there are any who understand, who seek God.

You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.

However, as it is written:

“What no eye has seen,
what no ear has heard,
and what no human mind has conceived”—
the things God has prepared for those who love him—

10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.

The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.