What Rand Paul's Totally F***** Campaign Says About America

r3volution 3.0

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Surprisingly good article from The Daily Beast, criticizing GOPers for being so susceptible to fear-mongering and nationalist propaganda.

My only objection, I suppose, would be to their characterization of Rand's campaign as "totally fucked" in light of the GOP's hawkish turn.

...it's only slightly fucked at this point.

In 2013, the case for Rand Paul’s presidential bid went something like this: His father, Ron, was able to create a grassroots movement by appealing to people—many of them young—who thought the government was too involved in their lives and too eager to wage war at the expense of American futures and dollars. But Ron Paul, folksy little thing that he was, was the wrong guy to deliver the message. Rand Paul, younger and slicker, could carry on his dad’s legacy while also drawing in people who might have backed away slowly if Ron tried to talk to them about the Gold Standard.

It was the perfect time, it seemed, for an antiwar message to stick. Americans whose whole lives had been spent with the country at war would be voting in 2016, and polls indicated that when Ron and Rand voiced skepticism about military intervention, they were speaking for a majority. A New York Times/CBS News poll from June 2013 found that six in 10 people did not want the U.S. to take a lead role in solving conflicts in the Middle East.

But two years later, the world has changed. And what Paul is offering voters provides little comfort to Americans who are scared.
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r3volution 3.0 said:
How exactly is he weak on immigration?

Can you explain the difference between Rand and Trump's policies (emphasis on policies: not rhetoric)?
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With Trump you KNOW something's going to get done. Rand gives the same wishy washy rhetoric the GOP has heard for 30 years. They know he's not going to change anything. Ever since he was first called a "racist" on television, Rand has spent the entirety of his campaign prostrating himself before minorities. Campaigning in minority areas (in the REPUBLICAN primary!!!), designing his rhetoric to be sympathetic to their causes, engineering his policy positions to cater to their needs. GOPers see this kind of weakness, and they don't believe you when you say you're going to stop mass immigration.

Very soon if nothing changes, Democrats will have imported their own undefeatable supermajority of permanent left wing voters. California (which voted for HW Bush and Ronald Reagan) is now a one-party state, which no Republican has a prayer of ever winning (unless of course they adopt all the positions of the Democrats). This mass immigration has accompanied a drastic shift to the left in government policy, a trend which will continue until it's stopped.
 
DevilsAdvocate said:
With Trump you KNOW something's going to get done. Rand gives the same wishy washy rhetoric the GOP has heard for 30 years. They know he's not going to change anything. Ever since he was first called a "racist" on television, Rand has spent the entirety of his campaign prostrating himself before minorities. Campaigning in minority areas (in the REPUBLICAN primary!!!), designing his rhetoric to be sympathetic to their causes, engineering his policy positions to cater to their needs. GOPers see this kind of weakness, and they don't believe you when you say you're going to stop mass immigration.

Very soon if nothing changes, Democrats will have imported their own undefeatable supermajority of permanent left wing voters. California (which voted for HW Bush and Ronald Reagan) is now a one-party state, which no Republican has a prayer of ever winning (unless of course they adopt all the positions of the Democrats). This mass immigration has accompanied a drastic shift to the left in government policy, a trend which will continue until it's stopped.
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Trumps idea of a wall is rather imaginary.
-Costs.
-Manpower.
-Trade.
-World View of America.
 
DevilsAdvocate said:
With Trump you KNOW something's going to get done. Rand gives the same wishy washy rhetoric the GOP has heard for 30 years. They know he's not going to change anything. Ever since he was first called a "racist" on television, Rand has spent the entirety of his campaign prostrating himself before minorities. Campaigning in minority areas (in the REPUBLICAN primary!!!), designing his rhetoric to be sympathetic to their causes, engineering his policy positions to cater to their needs. GOPers see this kind of weakness, and they don't believe you when you say you're going to stop mass immigration.

Very soon if nothing changes, Democrats will have imported their own undefeatable supermajority of permanent left wing voters. California (which voted for HW Bush and Ronald Reagan) is now a one-party state, which no Republican has a prayer of ever winning (unless of course they adopt all the positions of the Democrats). This mass immigration has accompanied a drastic shift to the left in government policy, a trend which will continue until it's stopped.
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^This. To the public, Trump appears to have resolve, while Rand does not, when it comes to resisting the PC framework, and plainly prioritizing the impact of immigration. Forget his compromising rhetoric on foreign policy--Rand hurt himself more when he pandered to the left to avoid the "racist" control word smear, backed away from his stance on the Civil Rights Act, and caved when the media pushed the "he's sexist" smear line when he challenged the loaded questions from women reporters he got in earlier interviews. Compare this to Ron NOT caving on non-intervention when Giuliani tried to bully him into 'apologizing' for it.

That plus his lack of urgency on cultural issues in general, sent the signal that Rand wouldn't get things accomplished as President, because he'd cave or backpedal to the PC drumbeat whenever push came to shove on each of these fronts. That's why policy details have taken a back seat in this campaign to the "won't back down" posture--proposed policy means little if the framework supporting the existing policy goes unchallenged. Rand has appeared to back down from, or to avoid even engaging the establishment, on too many fronts.
 
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"With Trump you KNOW something's going to get done."

That's what he wants you to believe. You're a sucker for falling for it.
 
Badger Paul said:
"With Trump you KNOW something's going to get done."

That's what he wants you to believe. You're a sucker for falling for it.
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Bingo! Trump is a showman and he's playing his part very well. I do think though that maybe he's actually beginning to believe it himself and actually want to get the nomination now. If that's the case TPTB will have to find a way to set him straight...
 
DevilsAdvocate said:
With Trump you KNOW something's going to get done. Rand gives the same wishy washy rhetoric the GOP has heard for 30 years.
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I think it's more like people believe he's going to get it done. There's absolutely no reason why he should be trusted.

1) Tronald's current campaign "ideology" is the exact opposite of what he believed shortly before he ran for president.
2) He makes it clear he's accountable to no one. I don't think he's ever said he's running for the American people--not that it matters though.

His celebrity status and anchoring techniques are mystifying people.
 
Trump is the best salesman of the bunch and has name recognition. Virtually every big real estate person out there is a great salesman. People try to nail down weird reasons why Trump is so popular right now. They're all silly reasons. He just needs a passable product that he can wrap up and he'll sell it better than the rest of them.

Rand is a doctor. He's got the best product, but people don't buy the best product. Politicians are good salesman too, but they meet their match going against a big property tycoon. Another one with no name recognition could come in out of nowhere and have what it takes to rank above Rand in the polls right now.
 
Rand is losing strictly on the foreign policy. Rand was on a roll after the last debate.....until the terror attacks in France.
Trump is the classic question on why perfectly educated middle class german housewives voted for Hitler. They are so fed up with the current policy that they will vote for something extreme and worse believing it is better.
History and human nature repeats itself over and over and over.
 
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