What proof of citizenship should we carry on us to show to ICE?

[otherone]

If Americans are now required to present federal ID on command, should the fed gov take over all ID from the states? Or should we be required to carry both state and federal ID?

As an individual, I shouldn't have to present a passport to travel. Modern world, right?

 

[nikcers]

This is how we know that you've never read the alien enemies act.

Whats an alien?

Is it an extra terrestrial life form from outer space?

 

[Invisible Man]

Yeah thats not at all what they thought and what they did.

Who do you think created the alien enemies act?

Obviously you can't have the alien enemies act unless the federal government can decide who is an alien.

The alien can't just self identify as not an alien.

That's a good point.

When we talk about "the founders," it's more of a mixed bag than we sometimes want to believe. A lot of them were unabashed statists.

 

[Invisible Man]

As an individual, I shouldn't have to present a passport to travel. Modern world, right?

I mean, of course you shouldn't have to.

 

[TheCount]

As an individual, I shouldn't have to present a passport to travel. Modern world, right?

At this rate you'll have to present it to leave your house

 

[TheCount]

Whats an alien?

Is it an extra terrestrial life form from outer space?

It's three whole paragraphs, you wouldn't want to strain yourself with that.

Maybe chatgpt can summarize it for you and explain why it's irrelevant to the thread.

 

[PAF]

The concept that @PAF is not able to dictate terms on land that he does not own, is repugnant?

Nah, the opposite is a repugnant concept.

Government doesn't own the land. Government is an abstract concept and it's not capable of owning land. The land is owned and controlled by people. The people who currently own and control this land is generally not us.

Then there is another group of people (e.g., you and me) who have a legitimate claim to the ownership of the land. Based on the fundamental principles of property rights and the concepts of theft and reparation, we have a right to dispute the ownership of the land.

That land has value and that land is certainly being controlled and restricted by the same people who are stealing my money.

It is within my natural rights to demand reparation for that which is stolen from me, and that "virgin land" would be an acceptable form of compensation, depending exactly how many virgins are upon that land. (I would require at least 4)

I do not need a property deed to declare that I have been stolen from and demand reparations in whatever form that I can manage to acquire.

To be fair, it's not really any of your business why I don't want them here. It's my land, at least partially, and I don't want them here. That's reason enough.

It's also your land, at least partially, and you do want them here. I don't harass you over your choice, I simply respect it and disagree.

And as I've said, many times before, I don't deny being authoritarian (or even fascist) in some limited regards.

I am still distinctly less authoritarian than 99.9% of people, especially considering that I recognize every individual's right to secede (and yes, even the foreigners who have bought land).

The problem is and always has been people.

More people is never the solution.

Yea, why not? I mean, does libertarian theory require the existence of a formal document in order for property rights to exist?

I am absolutely condoning it, I condone literally everything the government is doing because it is their right to do it.

With the exception - the very large exception - that they don't have the right to deny my secession.

Again, I don't really fault them for that.

I used to say that this government is illegitimate, and in a lot of ways it is.

But in a lot of ways this government is legitimate. People like nikcers love the shit out of this government and are voluntary members.

Something like 80-90% or more of people in this country are voluntary members of this association we call government.

And if they want to do taxes and such or restrict travel or whatever, it's their right as owners of this land to do that.

The primary violation of my rights is not the taxes but the restriction of my secession.

With the exception of 1 or 2 sentences...

You want to secede why? It sounds like you're already living in your quite perfect statist-quo system. I guess maybe you just want to the right to secede but then leave everything else well enough alone.

Maybe Trump will pass something for you that says: "I hereby grant you the right to secede so long as you continue to endorse/practice the very things that make this government run efficiently".

 

[TheTexan]

With the exception of 1 or 2 sentences...

You want to secede why? It sounds like you're already living in your quite perfect statist-quo system. I guess maybe you just want to the right to secede but then leave everything else well enough alone.

I'm not sure what gave you that impression.

If I had the choice between staying a member of this country, or keeping the half of my paycheck that gets stolen from me,

it would be a very easy decision

Maybe Trump will pass something for you that says: "I hereby grant you the right to secede so long as you continue to endorse/practice the very things that make this government run efficiently".

If he gives me the right to secede I don't really care what he does with the government as long as he respects my secession and leaves me alone

 

[unknown]

What about, testicle size?

 

[TheTexan]

What about, testicle size?

I don't want to get deported though

 

[unknown]

Deez nutz?

 

[unknown]