What most influenced our 5th place finish in Iowa?

What most influenced our 5th place finish in Iowa?

  • The candidate

    Votes: 2 1.0%
  • The message

    Votes: 8 4.1%
  • The demographic

    Votes: 111 56.3%
  • The establishment

    Votes: 21 10.7%
  • The campaign

    Votes: 31 15.7%
  • The grassroots

    Votes: 6 3.0%
  • Other - Please explain

    Votes: 18 9.1%

  • Total voters
    197
Ok, let's see if we have a consensus as to what we need to focus on the hardest at the point.

Obama, Obama, Obama

He is pulling independents and college students with a similar anti-war, change message. I believe more and more (I'm even starting to learn this way) think the Obama train has a better chance of winning and actually making change.
 
Blaming the demographic is like a teacher blaming the student for failing to understand her lesson.

The demographic was our target audience and we failed to show them why our choice was the correct one.

Thats the whole nature of campaigning folks- it is our only job to do it such that the majority of any demographic come to the conclusion that they really do want to vote for our man.

I look at the causes of our failures as follows:

1) We had the right message but failed to spread it.
2) We had the wrong message and spread it to our detriment.
3) We didn't really understand what motivated the voting majority so we couldn't effectively taylor the message.
4) We did understand them, we had the right message but our delivery method failed to sway them.
 
Unfortunately, after watching CSPAN all night, I think the problem is that......

people are just plain stupid and shallow.

They asked people all night who they supported and why. The reasons they gave most often were that their candidate had "compassion", "experience", "leadership", "strength".

Yep, that's why people vote.
 
I voted the establishment. If Ron Paul had gotten half the press of Huckabee, he'd have at the minimum come in third. Also, the system in Iowa seems to be slanted heavily toward party insiders. I find it very difficult to believe that the "rEVOLution" could only muster a measly 10,000 people out of a state the size of Iowa. Something is amiss.
 
Obama, Obama, Obama

He is pulling independents and college students with a similar anti-war, change message. I believe more and more (I'm even starting to learn this way) think the Obama train has a better chance of winning and actually making change.

If you really believe that, I fear you were never a true Ron Paul supporter to begin with. Hollow words and promises don't carry much with me. There is no Plan B. There is no one similar to Ron Paul. It is Ron Paul or bust!
 
If you really believe that, I fear you were never a true Ron Paul supporter to begin with. Hollow words and promises don't carry much with me. There is no Plan B. There is no one similar to Ron Paul. It is Ron Paul or bust!

So you think we shouldn't look to see or go after the independent voters?
 
I voted "the campaign," because it seems Paul campaigned too much in other states and not enough in Iowa.

Followed closely by "the establishment," because we've been either operating under a virtual media blackout or have been getting mixed coverage: half the talk on 11/5 was about whether we were glorifying a British terrorist, half the talk on 12/16 was about a single white separatist's donation, half the talk after the Russert interview was about whether Paul was wrong to suggest there were better ways to free the slaves than fight a war.

After those come factors like Iowa's generally pro-government philosophy as far as religion in politics and economic protectionism go, and name recognition.
 
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I voted campaign since it is up to HQ to tailor Ron Paul's message to each demographic and it does not good to blame the establishment since we can't change them. Ron Paul is a conservative Christian, strongly pro-life, and should have been able to make more headway in Iowa. From all accounts he had large numbers of volunteers in the State and the grassroots has raised more money than they (HQ) know what to do with (in Ron Paul's own words). I fear Ron Paul started this to spread a message, but now that he's wakened the Revolution I just hope he can step up and be the effective leader it needs.
 
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Other: not enough visits by Ron Paul to Iowa, not enough people on the ground who organized local visits and rallies by Ron Paul. The lack of visits by Ron Paul was a decision by the campaign not to spend a lot of time and money there, given that 30-40% of the vote would go right off the bat to an evangelical.

Fred("Can I get some applause?") Thompson lived in a bus in Iowa the last two or three weeks of his campaign; he visited small towns even when he could only get one or two signatures for his campaign. See the article on his depressing campaign in the New Republic. But it was enough to get him third. Or perhaps it was just because people knew him from Law and Order.

Ron won Jefferson County with 35% of the vote. Why? I imagine it was because of strong local organization in Fairfield, the county seat. It had a rally for him last summer that drew hundreds of people.

Is this where FEC regulations hamper us? We have strong, motivated grassroots, but it cannot coordinate with the campaign. We need to pick an early state where we can do well, Michigan or South Carolina perhaps, and do retail politics-- speak to small groups of registered Republicans in as many counties as we can, meet with the local GOP and local newspaper editors and TV reporters. Talk radio reaches a lot of listeners, and I think Ron does a lot of talk radio interviews; but I think face to face contact with voters would get more registered Republicans on our side. Let Ron talk directly to the pro-war Republicans about fiscal responsibility and our foreign policy. But who can do the logistics for local whistlestops if the grassroots meetups and the HQ campaign cannot coordinate?
 
The demographic. Independents and young voters threw in with the Dems, I think. The Republican party failed to embrace Ron Paul as one of their own, and that's reflected in how poor Republican turnout was.

I'm not that discouraged by last night. We have a better idea of the numbers we'll need in each state, and if worse comes to worse I think Dr. Paul has the grounds for a very strong *dirty words ahead* Third Party Run.
 
Pocohotas County, Iowa Ron Paul got 2nd place

Can someone from Iowa tell us the difference between that county and the rest of Iowa?
 
But, it was a third place in actual delegates for Ron Paul because
we won some college precincts - unlike McCain or Fred - who get shut out in delegates
because they could NOT win a single precinct - finishing third everywhere.
 
Can someone from Iowa tell us the difference between that county and the rest of Iowa?

largest official metropolitan area in the state since it is included with Omaha -

also btw and fyi -
Mr. von Maur - of the mall shooting department store - is a Ron Paul campaign contributor.
 
RP offers change and Iowa didn't want any.

I thought we did fairly well considering the demographic and hostile press.:rolleyes:

NH will be interesting to say the least.
 
Old people that watch bill o reilly, and decide that the young should die so they can be old, and watch o reilly.
 
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